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The devils in the small print - LOOPHOLES
Even Microsoft's 2004 May 27th changes which apply only to customers under enterprise licensing contracts, which Microsoft claims grants greater immunity, contains many loop holes which greatly negate Microsoft's liability.

The section 6 clause contain exceptions:
Our obligations will not apply to the extent that the claim or adverse final judgment is based on (i) specifications you provide to us for the service deliverables; (ii) code or materials provided by you as part of service deliverables; (iii) your running of the product, fix or service deliverables after we notify you to discontinue running due to such a claim; (iv) your combining the product, fix or service deliverables with a non-Microsoft product, data or business process; (v) damages attributable to the value of the use of a non-Microsoft product, data or business process; (vi) your altering the product, fix or service deliverables; (vii) your distribution of the product, fix or services deliverable to, or its use for the benefit of, any third party; (viii) your use of our trademark(s) without express written consent to do so; or (ix) for any trade secret claim, your acquiring a trade secret (a) through improper means; (b) under circumstances giving rise to a duty to maintain its secrecy or limit its use; or (c) from a person (other than us or our affiliates) who owed to the party asserting the claim a duty to maintain the secrecy or limit the use of the trade secret. You will reimburse us for any costs or damages that result from these actions.

Loophole #1 "(ii) code or materials provided by you as part of service deliverables" This would effectively still indemnify Microsoft against most of the Timeline Inc patent claims, as it is the developer/end user's code ( even visual basic code ) which would be in violation of Timeline's patent claims.

Microsoft licensed Database/Datawarehouse technology from Timeline Inc, but unlike Oracle and other database vendors, Microsoft chose a license that did not grant Microsoft's customers the right to fully use that technology.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/20/sql_server_developers_face_huge/
Timeline has extended it's patent claims to cover many featured widely used by developers, both ISV and in house.
http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/41479/41479.html

Timeline Inc has won a US Washington Court of Appeal judgment against Microsoft for the right to sue Microsoft's customers, and subsequently sued Cognos. On February 13, 2004, Cognos settled at cost to Cognos totaling $1.75 million.
http://www.timeline.com/021304PR1.htm

Microsoft has a history of licensing third party code and patents in such a manner that still leaves developers and users exposed to IP threats. Even going back to the LZH/GIF Unisys patents
http://web.archive.org/web/20020806173115/http://www.unisys.com/about__unisys/lzw/

"Microsoft Corporation obtained a license under the above Unisys LZW patents in September, 1996. Microsoft's license does NOT extend to software developers or third parties who use Microsoft toolkit, language, development or operating system products to provide GIF read/write and/or any other LZW capabilities in their own products(e.g., by way of DLLs and APIs)."

Other Loopholes include (v) and (vii), but the killer is (iv), which disclaims any
indemnity for users who wish to input any data. (ix)(a), also since literally it excludes trade secret liability for improper action on
anyone's part, including MS.

Does Microsoft's new agreement include such loopholes? Anyone have a link handy?
Posted by: David Mohring   Posted on: 11/10/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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Somehow this smacks of more FUD and PR  crocd | 11/10/04
The devils in the small print - LOOPHOLES  David Mohring | 11/10/04
Smells like Redhat and SCO  FilledOut | 11/10/04
Borrowing a page from Republican handbook  TrustMe_z | 11/10/04
Didn't you get the message?  Spoon Jabber | 11/10/04
Some message!  AbsolutelyNot | 11/10/04
What?  nomorems | 11/10/04
yup  Jeff Spicoli | 11/10/04
Voters  Spoon Jabber | 11/11/04
Hey Trustme, Al Gore LOST, so did Kerry.  Update victim | 11/10/04
Thank you-- I wasn't sure until you were nice enough to tell us!  Jeff Spicoli | 11/10/04
so let me see if i got this right  JasonL31 | 11/10/04
Only if...  AbsolutelyNot | 11/10/04
If only all software companies would.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/10/04
Notice  rapson | 11/10/04
Huh?  Jeff Spicoli | 11/10/04
There you go again  rapson | 11/10/04
Well you let Jesus do your thinking for you..  Jeff Spicoli | 11/10/04
Yeah, real gullable  Spoon Jabber | 11/10/04
Here ya go!  Jeff Spicoli | 11/10/04
How?  rapson | 11/10/04
Actually..  Jeff Spicoli | 11/10/04
Stealing elections  Linux_Developer | 11/10/04
Can't deal with reality huh?  Jeff Spicoli | 11/10/04
That's republican WINNERS, Jeff  Spoon Jabber | 11/10/04
Yes  rapson | 11/10/04
Heehee  Jeff Spicoli | 11/10/04
Well ofd course Carl. The ABM crowd has no choice in the matter.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/10/04
I must have missed that  rapson | 11/10/04
Why oh why?  Jeff Spicoli | 11/10/04
Keep your friends close, and your.....  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/10/04
Message has been deleted.  Jeff Spicoli | 11/10/04
Heck, delete Jeff instead of the message (NT)  Spoon Jabber | 11/10/04
I think Jeff is going for hte record of deleted posts.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/10/04
Ax, Ax, Ax...  Spoon Jabber | 11/10/04
I'm sure Cognos will be pleased  Robert Crocker | 11/10/04
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!  Jeff Spicoli | 11/10/04
...find ways to be as good thiefs!  Jeff Spicoli | 11/10/04
I am sure other software companies can infrince on IP.  B.O.F.H. | 11/10/04
Wow, talk about whining....  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/10/04
I know, time to pipe down Axy..  Jeff Spicoli | 11/10/04
Good advice, but I doubt you can follow it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/10/04
We are sure you will find something to whine about.  B.O.F.H. | 11/10/04
I wondered when you would show up...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/10/04
So, who is Microsoft infringing on now?  B.O.F.H. | 11/10/04
No thank you.  alterego_z | 11/10/04
Lousy Admins will always have problems...  Confused by religion | 11/10/04
Re: Lousy Admins  alterego_z | 11/10/04
Probably on purpose  FilledOut | 11/10/04
You missed NetWare  htotten | 11/10/04
er i thought a selling point of MS servers was ease of use  hipparchus2000 | 11/11/04
re: No thank you.0  richdave | 11/10/04
Microsoft will need every marketing pitch they can invent ...  George Mitchell | 11/10/04
Microsoft Indemnification  htotten | 11/10/04
But it puts an end to open source claims...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/10/04
You are correct.  htotten | 11/10/04
Question  Spoon Jabber | 11/10/04
Heehee  Jeff Spicoli | 11/10/04
You give yourself too much credit  Spoon Jabber | 11/10/04
Good questions.,  htotten | 11/10/04
so you're saying there was no MS indemnification before  hipparchus2000 | 11/11/04
Microsoft thinks we are that stupid?  aprilnotafool | 11/10/04
Yep, like Redhat doing likewise  FilledOut | 11/10/04
Some of the posters here are prime candidates!  B.O.F.H. | 11/10/04
This can't be right NoAx said before that MS customers were indemnified  hipparchus2000 | 11/11/04
What a cute try, wrong but still cute anyhow.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/11/04
err actually MS users have  hipparchus2000 | 11/11/04
Ballmer: "I'm Lying My @$$ Off Again."  brenthawkinsmd | 11/11/04

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