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..It is known that MS had a role in the back-door imposition of software patents via Ireland. (and generous "contributions" to the Irish presidency)...

It is not known. Put up or shut up.

..Granted they are not suing a Linux vendor but they are using the patent scheme to create FUD at this point...

It's you that's spreading FUD.
Look in the mirror.

Joe
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Temporary setback- you cannot prevent FREEdom.  Xunil_Sierutuf | 08/05/04
Do you even read the articles?  JustMe99_z | 08/05/04
i have my doubts on that...  ryusen | 08/05/04
my spelling is inaccurate  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
It is not the patent issue..  Mike Cox | 08/05/04
Mike sugestion: Get a new vendor.  startiger | 08/05/04
9.6 Mike I like the tip part (NT)  Squawkbox | 08/05/04
8.2. It seemed a but rushed (nt)  rkadowns | 08/05/04
Oh, it's Microsoft all right...  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
Patent issues needs to be resolved quick.  computer_man | 08/05/04
From TechWeb  Expatriate US Geek | 08/05/04
Patent Free Linux Version  Peter Komisar | 08/05/04
Patent free Linux  d_jedi | 08/05/04
Patent Free... ...not if I have a say...  el1jones | 08/05/04
Does ZDNet Have nothing else to report?  startiger | 08/05/04
Gee, you didn't whine when Munich said they were switching. WHY?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
So what are you whining about now?  Jay Cash | 08/05/04
compare the impact of the statements...  ryusen | 08/05/04
Implying? Or hoping?  IT_User | 08/05/04
Munich halts biggest-ever Linux migration  Loverock Davidson | 08/05/04
Things are not always as they seem  WhoIsDaMan | 08/05/04
Egad!  OhMyGosh | 08/05/04
Better to read German, youwould actually know what the issues were!  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
Actually, in reads better in Hindi.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
It all reads the same  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
Achtung!  seosamh_z | 08/05/04
Joe,  bchesmer | 08/06/04
BOFH, so your the only human that can interpret?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
wir m?ssen die linux abschaffen!  d_jedi | 08/05/04
I know what your problem is:  Judas I. | 08/05/04
Linux Conquers All!  Yehuda Mann | 08/06/04
Proof  Tim Patterson | 08/05/04
OK all knowing one, how did MS do this?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
C'mon Bit think a little will ya?  Tim Patterson | 08/05/04
I suggest trying it yourself.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
The problem  Tim Patterson | 08/05/04
Facts are always simple.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Who cares?  johnnyu | 08/05/04
Who cares? Ummm, the City of Munich for starters.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Here you go Tim  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
You are only patialy right AX.  bchesmer | 08/06/04
Fighting talk  seosamh_z | 08/05/04
Not worth a fight, just show me the facts.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Are ya lazy?  Tim Patterson | 08/05/04
Are you?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Jeez  johnnyu | 08/05/04
Well Tim???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Ax  bchesmer | 08/06/04
No, puzzled  seosamh_z | 08/05/04
ROFL, good post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Grow Up  JustMe99_z | 08/05/04
Don't forget...  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
I know you weren't addressing me, but...  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
Answered  OhMyGosh | 08/05/04
That's utter crap  Tim Patterson | 08/05/04
Why?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Shallow  Tim Patterson | 08/05/04
Call it anything you like, it's still copying.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Then..  Patrick Jones | 08/05/04
No  seosamh_z | 08/05/04
True, it's not even a good copy.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Quality  JimZ_z | 08/05/04
That is silly  balsover | 08/05/04
I'll tell you why  Omch'Ar | 08/05/04
I'll agree with that(nt)  el1jones | 08/05/04
listen to what you said:  ryusen | 08/05/04
what proof?  ryusen | 08/05/04
It would appear Pub Pat's statement hit home.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Better to read what they said (in German)  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
Better to read it in Hindi.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
The issue is that you have been proved wrong!  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
The day will never happen where you can prove anyone right or wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Are you stiill challanging Gates and Ballmer on China?  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
BOFH, let me explain it to you one last time.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
What does  Linux User 147560 | 08/05/04
Absolutely nothing!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
I don't think that was  Linux User 147560 | 08/05/04
Then what was it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Pretty easy to understand, even if you don't read German.  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
You bet it is BOFH. Here you go.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
No_Ax, do you know what "temporarily" means?  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
Temporary, the first step to permanent.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
No_Axe, that's funny  voska | 08/05/04
Sorry No_Ax, but I do read German!  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
Good for you, now work on your English.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Two things  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
Shivers down a whole lot of people's backs?  IT_User | 08/05/04
where are all the  eLurker | 08/05/04
Hiding with a very embarrassed look on their faces.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Intelectual Property issues need to be addressed.  DonnieBoy | 08/05/04
DonnieBoy please explain that to me.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
how not being allowed to copy limits innovation  mbraincell@... | 08/05/04
A poor analogy.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Do you ever read a message before answering ?  mbraincell@... | 08/05/04
Read it twice. Nothing there I didn't respond to.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Try once again.  mbraincell@... | 08/05/04
Re-read it, no change.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
why do you presume ms would own a patent and Free software foundation not?  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
I agree  johnnyu | 08/05/04
Sorry you are wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
who says open source can't participate in patents  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
Participate is a strange word in this case.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
You don't understand the GPL NoAx  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
To help you remember  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
No reason why you can't "mix" code  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
Software making non-disclosure agreements  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
From your keyboard to Microsoft's eyes  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
And yet, none of their users care at all...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
"None?"  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
How did copying get into this discussion?  IT_User | 08/05/04
Can I say "I TOLD YOU SO" yet?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
I guess it was time. GRIN (NT)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Message has been deleted.  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
Patents are a minefield for ALL software vendors  George Mitchell | 08/06/04
Sure...  Delaware Boy | 08/05/04
really?  ryusen | 08/05/04
You're right; the counter-argument...  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
I'll make the statement then  IT_User | 08/05/04
WHAT?  IT_User | 08/05/04
Reasonable to patent software  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
I'll try to rephrase  IT_User | 08/05/04
Licensing out an invention  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
A few observations  IT_User | 08/05/04
Risks without patents.  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
You bet I've noticed.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Can you say...?  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
No.  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
Yep, you're right at the heart of software patenting  IT_User | 08/05/04
Totally off  rapson | 08/06/04
why is it all of your i told you sos...  ryusen | 08/05/04
Why are they spot on?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
i never said you were wrong about those issues...  ryusen | 08/05/04
ZZ, come on now...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
welll i've called you many names...  ryusen | 08/05/04
lol, such cockiness  johnnyu | 08/05/04
Cocky? No,,,  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Thinking of Patton?  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
a lesson  johnnyu | 08/05/04
as usual you're wrong noax  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
See my other answer to you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
No, not yet  balsover | 08/05/04
Probably will migrate  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
Why would that be?  IT_User | 08/05/04
Impressions count.  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
No, not on the desktop  IT_User | 08/05/04
A matter of perspective  IT_User | 08/05/04
You will say it and you will once again be wrong  AmusedAtItAll | 08/08/04
Proof POSITIVE that unsubstantiated FUD works sad  BitTwiddler | 08/05/04
Blame Linus T., Bruce P. and Pub Pat.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
OK IBM,  Update victim | 08/05/04
Um, they tried and it failed.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
OS/2 = yep that load of bulldust written by .... Microsoft  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
Wow, how can you be so wrong?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Microsoft OS/2 stories from the past  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
MS did not write OS/2 slick.  balsover | 08/05/04
Microsoft OS/2 was from 1987  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
News releases are not product releases  balsover | 08/05/04
Ok, more data for you on Microsoft OS/2  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
Yes they did  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
If we could see inside windows  Arrg | 08/05/04
Sorry, wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
No- RIGHT!  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
Wrong about the light bulb.  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
Sorry, wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
You have a choice...  Linux User 147560 | 08/05/04
Show me the patent.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Missed the point  Linux User 147560 | 08/06/04
actually noax, you do have to look at the code  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
Nope, just ask OMC. (Outboard Marine Corporation)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Why do you think this is relevant to software algorithms?  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
Because it is the basis patents work under.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
The problem with software is this  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
You both have your points  IT_User | 08/05/04
Patents, validity, and time limits  Update victim | 08/05/04
So what are you suggesting as an alternative?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
How Much Time Do You HAVE!?!?! 40+ post and still going strong.  el1jones | 08/05/04
Don't be jealous of my life style and free time.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Everyone on the unemployment line earned it too!! Bwahahahaha!!  Jeff Spicoli | 08/05/04
Message has been deleted.  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
it's sure nice of you microsofties to give us advance warning  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
From your lips!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
personally I'm not involved  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
Patents  paul_123 | 08/05/04
But sharing knowledge is done.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Sharing Knowledge  paul_123 | 08/05/04
Why?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Not this way  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
But it is all very well documented.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Not give it away?  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
Re: But sharing knowledge is done.  none none | 08/05/04
Where to lay the blame???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/04
I Agree...  el1jones | 08/05/04
So, Apple needed a license is all.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Re: So, Apple needed a license is all.  none none | 08/05/04
I agree with one statement.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
I agree with most of your post.  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
patent nonsense  xaldx | 08/06/04
Reign in patent monopolization of commerce  xaldx | 08/06/04
Too late now, charge on ahead  FilledOut | 08/05/04
You bring up a good point.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
What makes a company "LITTLE' compared to big?  Laff | 08/05/04
I tend to look at market share.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
market share: BritishOxygenCo. owns all the oxygen people breathe in the UK  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
Pardon me, he asked what *I* use, not your view point.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Still haven't grasped the concept of "open forum," I see...  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
Sorry Diva, he asked me a very specific question.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/04
Good idea  PA-ITGuy | 08/05/04
Have you priced the Xserver to the rest of the field?  Laff | 08/05/04
Hellooooo  PA-ITGuy | 08/05/04
Politicians for Windows - vs - Tax Payers for Linux  kd5auq | 08/05/04
Sorry, 90$ - 95% of 'taxpayers" prefer Windows.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
There is nothing to back your assertion on taxpayer preferance!  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
Ah, so your claiming MS is NOT a monopoly in Europe.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/04
The EU Commission fined them for past actions!  B.O.F.H. | 08/06/04
I for one am just going to waite and see....  Laff | 08/05/04
However Open source is more innovative, and gaining it's own patents.  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
nad do what with them? Give them away via GPL?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
remember what microsoft said  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
And what good is that.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/04
You're just being obtuse again - get a life.  George Mitchell | 08/07/04
Not really  balsover | 08/05/04
Mr. Stallman gets the bomb?  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
ROFL  ejhonda | 08/05/04
Not until some people start using it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Gee, you are in a nasty mood today, aren't you  balsover | 08/05/04
Nope, I am a realist.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/04
IBM might outpace other patent holders  FilledOut | 08/06/04
Does it matter who has the most nukes?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/04
Software Patents....  IT_Critic | 08/06/04
WOW! No_ax No_Life had 65 posts on this thread !!  Plain Logic | 08/06/04

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