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I've often criticized MS for shady business practices and this just further proof. They use their time, energy, and money to do what they can to force the abomination of software patents on the E.U. knowing full-well the FUD that will be created.

Why don't you MS fans tell me why MS is so afraid of straight-up competition. Why doesn't MS compete on the merits of their products rather than corrupting the system to gain advantage?

I do think that the Munich suspension will be short-lived and will eventually go forward.
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Temporary setback- you cannot prevent FREEdom.  Xunil_Sierutuf | 08/05/04
Do you even read the articles?  JustMe99_z | 08/05/04
i have my doubts on that...  ryusen | 08/05/04
my spelling is inaccurate  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
It is not the patent issue..  Mike Cox | 08/05/04
Mike sugestion: Get a new vendor.  startiger | 08/05/04
9.6 Mike I like the tip part (NT)  Squawkbox | 08/05/04
8.2. It seemed a but rushed (nt)  rkadowns | 08/05/04
Oh, it's Microsoft all right...  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
Patent issues needs to be resolved quick.  computer_man | 08/05/04
From TechWeb  Expatriate US Geek | 08/05/04
Patent Free Linux Version  Peter Komisar | 08/05/04
Patent free Linux  d_jedi | 08/05/04
Patent Free... ...not if I have a say...  el1jones | 08/05/04
Does ZDNet Have nothing else to report?  startiger | 08/05/04
Gee, you didn't whine when Munich said they were switching. WHY?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
So what are you whining about now?  Jay Cash | 08/05/04
compare the impact of the statements...  ryusen | 08/05/04
Implying? Or hoping?  IT_User | 08/05/04
Munich halts biggest-ever Linux migration  Loverock Davidson | 08/05/04
Things are not always as they seem  WhoIsDaMan | 08/05/04
Egad!  OhMyGosh | 08/05/04
Better to read German, youwould actually know what the issues were!  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
Actually, in reads better in Hindi.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
It all reads the same  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
Achtung!  seosamh_z | 08/05/04
Joe,  bchesmer | 08/06/04
BOFH, so your the only human that can interpret?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
wir m?ssen die linux abschaffen!  d_jedi | 08/05/04
I know what your problem is:  Judas I. | 08/05/04
Linux Conquers All!  Yehuda Mann | 08/06/04
Proof  Tim Patterson | 08/05/04
OK all knowing one, how did MS do this?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
C'mon Bit think a little will ya?  Tim Patterson | 08/05/04
I suggest trying it yourself.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
The problem  Tim Patterson | 08/05/04
Facts are always simple.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Who cares?  johnnyu | 08/05/04
Who cares? Ummm, the City of Munich for starters.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Here you go Tim  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
You are only patialy right AX.  bchesmer | 08/06/04
Fighting talk  seosamh_z | 08/05/04
Not worth a fight, just show me the facts.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Are ya lazy?  Tim Patterson | 08/05/04
Are you?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Jeez  johnnyu | 08/05/04
Well Tim???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Ax  bchesmer | 08/06/04
No, puzzled  seosamh_z | 08/05/04
ROFL, good post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Grow Up  JustMe99_z | 08/05/04
Don't forget...  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
I know you weren't addressing me, but...  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
Answered  OhMyGosh | 08/05/04
That's utter crap  Tim Patterson | 08/05/04
Why?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Shallow  Tim Patterson | 08/05/04
Call it anything you like, it's still copying.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Then..  Patrick Jones | 08/05/04
No  seosamh_z | 08/05/04
True, it's not even a good copy.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Quality  JimZ_z | 08/05/04
That is silly  balsover | 08/05/04
I'll tell you why  Omch'Ar | 08/05/04
I'll agree with that(nt)  el1jones | 08/05/04
listen to what you said:  ryusen | 08/05/04
what proof?  ryusen | 08/05/04
It would appear Pub Pat's statement hit home.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Better to read what they said (in German)  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
Better to read it in Hindi.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
The issue is that you have been proved wrong!  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
The day will never happen where you can prove anyone right or wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Are you stiill challanging Gates and Ballmer on China?  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
BOFH, let me explain it to you one last time.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
What does  Linux User 147560 | 08/05/04
Absolutely nothing!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
I don't think that was  Linux User 147560 | 08/05/04
Then what was it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Pretty easy to understand, even if you don't read German.  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
You bet it is BOFH. Here you go.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
No_Ax, do you know what "temporarily" means?  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
Temporary, the first step to permanent.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
No_Axe, that's funny  voska | 08/05/04
Sorry No_Ax, but I do read German!  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
Good for you, now work on your English.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Two things  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
Shivers down a whole lot of people's backs?  IT_User | 08/05/04
where are all the  eLurker | 08/05/04
Hiding with a very embarrassed look on their faces.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Intelectual Property issues need to be addressed.  DonnieBoy | 08/05/04
DonnieBoy please explain that to me.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
how not being allowed to copy limits innovation  mbraincell@... | 08/05/04
A poor analogy.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Do you ever read a message before answering ?  mbraincell@... | 08/05/04
Read it twice. Nothing there I didn't respond to.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Try once again.  mbraincell@... | 08/05/04
Re-read it, no change.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
why do you presume ms would own a patent and Free software foundation not?  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
I agree  johnnyu | 08/05/04
Sorry you are wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
who says open source can't participate in patents  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
Participate is a strange word in this case.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
You don't understand the GPL NoAx  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
To help you remember  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
No reason why you can't "mix" code  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
Software making non-disclosure agreements  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
From your keyboard to Microsoft's eyes  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
And yet, none of their users care at all...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
"None?"  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
How did copying get into this discussion?  IT_User | 08/05/04
Can I say "I TOLD YOU SO" yet?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
I guess it was time. GRIN (NT)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Message has been deleted.  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
Patents are a minefield for ALL software vendors  George Mitchell | 08/06/04
Sure...  Delaware Boy | 08/05/04
really?  ryusen | 08/05/04
You're right; the counter-argument...  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
I'll make the statement then  IT_User | 08/05/04
WHAT?  IT_User | 08/05/04
Reasonable to patent software  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
I'll try to rephrase  IT_User | 08/05/04
Licensing out an invention  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
A few observations  IT_User | 08/05/04
Risks without patents.  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
You bet I've noticed.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Can you say...?  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
No.  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
Yep, you're right at the heart of software patenting  IT_User | 08/05/04
Totally off  rapson | 08/06/04
why is it all of your i told you sos...  ryusen | 08/05/04
Why are they spot on?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
i never said you were wrong about those issues...  ryusen | 08/05/04
ZZ, come on now...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
welll i've called you many names...  ryusen | 08/05/04
lol, such cockiness  johnnyu | 08/05/04
Cocky? No,,,  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Thinking of Patton?  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
a lesson  johnnyu | 08/05/04
as usual you're wrong noax  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
See my other answer to you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
No, not yet  balsover | 08/05/04
Probably will migrate  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
Why would that be?  IT_User | 08/05/04
Impressions count.  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
No, not on the desktop  IT_User | 08/05/04
A matter of perspective  IT_User | 08/05/04
You will say it and you will once again be wrong  AmusedAtItAll | 08/08/04
Proof POSITIVE that unsubstantiated FUD works sad  BitTwiddler | 08/05/04
Blame Linus T., Bruce P. and Pub Pat.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
OK IBM,  Update victim | 08/05/04
Um, they tried and it failed.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
OS/2 = yep that load of bulldust written by .... Microsoft  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
Wow, how can you be so wrong?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Microsoft OS/2 stories from the past  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
MS did not write OS/2 slick.  balsover | 08/05/04
Microsoft OS/2 was from 1987  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
News releases are not product releases  balsover | 08/05/04
Ok, more data for you on Microsoft OS/2  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
Yes they did  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
If we could see inside windows  Arrg | 08/05/04
Sorry, wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
No- RIGHT!  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
Wrong about the light bulb.  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
Sorry, wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
You have a choice...  Linux User 147560 | 08/05/04
Show me the patent.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Missed the point  Linux User 147560 | 08/06/04
actually noax, you do have to look at the code  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
Nope, just ask OMC. (Outboard Marine Corporation)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Why do you think this is relevant to software algorithms?  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
Because it is the basis patents work under.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
The problem with software is this  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
You both have your points  IT_User | 08/05/04
Patents, validity, and time limits  Update victim | 08/05/04
So what are you suggesting as an alternative?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
How Much Time Do You HAVE!?!?! 40+ post and still going strong.  el1jones | 08/05/04
Don't be jealous of my life style and free time.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Everyone on the unemployment line earned it too!! Bwahahahaha!!  Jeff Spicoli | 08/05/04
Message has been deleted.  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
it's sure nice of you microsofties to give us advance warning  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
From your lips!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
personally I'm not involved  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
Patents  paul_123 | 08/05/04
But sharing knowledge is done.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Sharing Knowledge  paul_123 | 08/05/04
Why?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Not this way  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
But it is all very well documented.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Not give it away?  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
Re: But sharing knowledge is done.  none none | 08/05/04
Where to lay the blame???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/04
I Agree...  el1jones | 08/05/04
So, Apple needed a license is all.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Re: So, Apple needed a license is all.  none none | 08/05/04
I agree with one statement.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
I agree with most of your post.  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
patent nonsense  xaldx | 08/06/04
Reign in patent monopolization of commerce  xaldx | 08/06/04
Too late now, charge on ahead  FilledOut | 08/05/04
You bring up a good point.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
What makes a company "LITTLE' compared to big?  Laff | 08/05/04
I tend to look at market share.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
market share: BritishOxygenCo. owns all the oxygen people breathe in the UK  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
Pardon me, he asked what *I* use, not your view point.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Still haven't grasped the concept of "open forum," I see...  AbsolutelyNot | 08/05/04
Sorry Diva, he asked me a very specific question.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/04
Good idea  PA-ITGuy | 08/05/04
Have you priced the Xserver to the rest of the field?  Laff | 08/05/04
Hellooooo  PA-ITGuy | 08/05/04
Politicians for Windows - vs - Tax Payers for Linux  kd5auq | 08/05/04
Sorry, 90$ - 95% of 'taxpayers" prefer Windows.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
There is nothing to back your assertion on taxpayer preferance!  B.O.F.H. | 08/05/04
Ah, so your claiming MS is NOT a monopoly in Europe.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/04
The EU Commission fined them for past actions!  B.O.F.H. | 08/06/04
I for one am just going to waite and see....  Laff | 08/05/04
However Open source is more innovative, and gaining it's own patents.  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
nad do what with them? Give them away via GPL?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
remember what microsoft said  hipparchus2000 | 08/05/04
And what good is that.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/04
You're just being obtuse again - get a life.  George Mitchell | 08/07/04
Not really  balsover | 08/05/04
Mr. Stallman gets the bomb?  Anton Philidor | 08/05/04
ROFL  ejhonda | 08/05/04
Not until some people start using it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/05/04
Gee, you are in a nasty mood today, aren't you  balsover | 08/05/04
Nope, I am a realist.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/04
IBM might outpace other patent holders  FilledOut | 08/06/04
Does it matter who has the most nukes?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/06/04
Software Patents....  IT_Critic | 08/06/04
WOW! No_ax No_Life had 65 posts on this thread !!  Plain Logic | 08/06/04

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