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What keeps Microsoft in check...
...is what IBM can do to them. But don't believe me, take it from a Sun guy, Gary L. Reback, who tangled with IBM and told of his experience in a first-hand account published in Forbes in 2002:

"My own introduction to the realities of the patent system came in the 1980s, when my client, Sun Microsystems--then a small company--was accused by IBM of patent infringement. Threatening a massive lawsuit, IBM demanded a meeting to present its claims. Fourteen IBM lawyers and their assistants, all clad in the requisite dark blue suits, crowded into the largest conference room Sun had.

The chief blue suit orchestrated the presentation of the seven patents IBM claimed were infringed, the most prominent of which was IBM's notorious 'fat lines' patent: To turn a thin line on a computer screen into a broad line, you go up and down an equal distance from the ends of the thin line and then connect the four points. You probably learned this technique for turning a line into a rectangle in seventh-grade geometry, and, doubtless, you believe it was devised by Euclid or some such 3,000-year-old thinker. Not according to the examiners of the USPTO, who awarded IBM a patent on the process.

After IBM's presentation, our turn came. As the Big Blue crew looked on (without a flicker of emotion), my colleagues--all of whom had both engineering and law degrees--took to the whiteboard with markers, methodically illustrating, dissecting, and demolishing IBM's claims. We used phrases like: 'You must be kidding,' and 'You ought to be ashamed.' But the IBM team showed no emotion, save outright indifference. Confidently, we proclaimed our conclusion: Only one of the seven IBM patents would be deemed valid by a court, and no rational court would find that Sun's technology infringed even that one.

An awkward silence ensued. The blue suits did not even confer among themselves. They just sat there, stonelike. Finally, the chief suit responded. 'OK,' he said, 'maybe you don't infringe these seven patents. But we have 10,000 U.S. patents. Do you really want us to go back to Armonk [IBM headquarters in New York] and find seven patents you do infringe? Or do you want to make this easy and just pay us $20 million?'

After a modest bit of negotiation, Sun cut IBM a check, and the blue suits went to the next company on their hit list."

* * * * *

What's unfortunate for Microsoft and most fortunate for open sourcers and allies of IBM is IBM's massive patent portfolio, which was begun a half-century before Microsoft was even around and from what I can ascertain is much more OS and hardware-oriented than Microsoft's predominantly DRM-related holdings.

IBM has lead the patent race among all private sector companies in the U.S. for the past 11 years. Microsoft, by the way, didn't even crack the top ten in 2003.
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Oh please  NemesisNL | 07/20/04
No, a patent is a patent  IT_User | 07/20/04
But they'd still want to know..  el1jones | 07/20/04
That does NOT count, think of ELOAS.  DonnieBoy | 07/20/04
You could wait until the term expired, if you chose  IT_User | 07/20/04
Well, an intelectual property attack is still possible.  DonnieBoy | 07/20/04
Sorry, your wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
I've never heard it pronounced so probably the answer is NO:)  Laff | 07/21/04
But on the other hand  IT_User | 07/20/04
Attacking Microsoft  georgep_z | 07/20/04
That's a really good point. REALLY GOOD.  el1jones | 07/20/04
Undoubtedly many  IT_User | 07/20/04
Nobody is stupid enough to fire the first shot until . . .  K B | 07/21/04
Sounds like you have copyright confused with patents.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
it's all relevent  V Sanders | 07/20/04
You don't acknowledge  IT_User | 07/20/04
I'm not sure V. Ms is still way too powerful to just out and out slap  Laff | 07/21/04
It's not illegal, but is it MORAL?  kd5auq | 07/20/04
True, people suing MS over patents are immoral.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
You got that right!  voska | 07/21/04
What keeps Microsoft in check...  Yen_z | 07/20/04
Sounds like with SW patent law is having the opposite effect.  enduser_z | 07/20/04
Copying others is NOT innovation.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Then why does MS constantly over use and abuse...  MacCanuck | 07/21/04
Don't know, and don't care.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
What planet did you just arrive from?  IT_User | 07/21/04
Funny coming from one with MS-coloured glasses...  MacCanuck | 07/21/04
Since the beginning  lonegull101@... | 05/25/05
Sure it is  voska | 07/21/04
Wow!  bchesmer | 07/21/04
Yup, true enough, until they crossed blades with MS.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Win95/98/ME is OS/2  Yen_z | 07/21/04
Pure speculation.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Links please?  IT_User | 07/21/04
It's a double edged sword here  voska | 07/21/04
Quite right  IT_User | 07/21/04
Tabloid news, made up stories  Enterprise. Analyst | 07/20/04
(NT) Enterprise. Analyst, GET A LIFE!  bchesmer | 07/21/04
Now that was FUNNY:)  Laff | 07/21/04
Just like the Halloween Papers??? Huh Enterprise Anal.ist?  Plain Logic | 07/20/04
IBM DOES have a plan!  George Mitchell | 07/20/04
Bad guess by an HP employee  Anton Philidor | 07/20/04
Wrong!  bchesmer | 07/21/04
SCO suit about Unix  Anton Philidor | 07/21/04
Actually  IT_User | 07/21/04
I'm thinking of different large companies.  Anton Philidor | 07/21/04
Cry Havoc and let loose the dogs of war!  Squawkbox | 07/20/04
I prefer: Release the hounds  Anton Philidor | 07/20/04
How about "May the flee's of a thousand camels, infest your arm pits"  Laff | 07/21/04
You seem to be confused.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Granted on the one issue MS has not sued...directly that is, but there is  Laff | 07/21/04
True, Sun is a bigger investor...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
SUN has also been threatened by Linux/Open Source.  Laff | 07/21/04
Yup, many real companies are against open source.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Well Baystar and the Royal Canadian Bank did not seem interested in the  Laff | 07/21/04
Royal Canadian Bank??  voska | 07/21/04
My bad..you are porbably correct about the name.  Laff | 07/21/04
Voska, would you explain, please...  Anton Philidor | 07/21/04
Explanation  voska | 07/21/04
So Voska..what system was this bank using?  Laff | 07/22/04
Microsoft will be a big target in patent wars  voska | 07/21/04
Or, software patents will come to an end.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
As They Should !!!  Update victim | 07/21/04
Amen  IT_User | 07/21/04
One can hope(NT)  voska | 07/21/04
Before you reply, read the posts  Squawkbox | 07/21/04
Ah, you must mean like Sun and RealMEdia..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Here this website might help you  Squawkbox | 07/21/04
Your "old school" doesn't hold much interest for me.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
At least you read the posts.  Squawkbox | 07/21/04
Always do, I may not always agree...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Reason number {OVERFLOW} why Microsoft is evil.  Xunil_Sierutuf | 07/21/04
Hey Teach  PmAc_z | 07/21/04
Wah Wah Wah wah wahhhhhhh..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 07/21/04
Keep it up, your posts show everyone,,,  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
LOL... Bitty Bitty Bitty...  Xunil_Sierutuf | 07/21/04
No, your just stating...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
I've been saying it was coming. The only question is when.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Will someone please give me the definative evidence that Linux/Open sourse  Laff | 07/21/04
You don't understand patents.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
I've alway's believed that NOTHING is impossible, many things are  Laff | 07/21/04
You don't understand Microsoft  Taz_z | 07/21/04
Sorry to disappoint...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Severely disappointed  Taz_z | 07/21/04
I figured you wouldn't like the facts.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
*sneeze*  php_developer | 07/21/04
Marketing at Microsoft agreed not to disclose anything to you?  B.O.F.H. | 07/22/04
Now think about the possibility  IT_User | 07/21/04
I Hate Patents Period.  GreatInca | 02/02/05
IBM has already invested billions  Michael Kelly | 07/21/04
Hmmm, and how much did they invest in OS/2?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
The story of OS/2 is indeed a sad one. IBM had foolishly pased the tourch  Laff | 07/21/04
Hmmm, you try to turn defeat..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
I'm not sure what you mean by that post...What I said was IBM did get it's  Laff | 07/21/04
My mistake...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Well as I said to V Sanders payback is one thing...being stupid is another  Laff | 07/21/04
Very little  IT_User | 07/21/04
You rabid?  chiwawa | 07/21/04
Hey No_Ax... you were saying about reputations?  Xunil_Sierutuf | 07/21/04
Aw, you got another name calling zealot to agree.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Ummm, pardon me???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Objectivity, Bitty? SCO's stock price says it all.  Xunil_Sierutuf | 07/21/04
Don't you mean Red Hats stock?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
As of Jul 21, 2004 1:27 PM  B.O.F.H. | 07/21/04
Junk stock is junk stock regardless of the name.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Exactly my point.  chiwawa | 07/21/04
copy ?  Update victim | 07/21/04
Sorry, I almost forgot QDOS. (NT)  Update victim | 07/21/04
You are so boring  AmusedAtItAll | 07/21/04
MS=FOX NEWS+SLANTED  Nullifidian | 07/21/04
Don't you mean...  Spoon Jabber | 07/21/04
How come Liberal is such a bad word anyway?  Laff | 07/21/04
Neither should be  rapson | 07/21/04
It's sad and amusing at the same time.  Laff | 07/22/04
It didn't used to be  Spoon Jabber | 07/22/04
Ah Spoon you do have your pasion and usually you are level headed.  Laff | 07/22/04
The "plank" is a given  Spoon Jabber | 07/22/04
We do have a lot of fun, don't we:)  Laff | 07/22/04
The "plank" is a given (repost, stupid "no preview")  Spoon Jabber | 07/22/04
What if you son, and or daughter choose to be Muslim?  Laff | 07/23/04
That would suck!  Spoon Jabber | 07/23/04
Yes it would SUCK! Or at least I wold imagine it would  Laff | 07/23/04
Is that really how Americans see the rest of the world?  tgardner@... | 08/03/04
Rev, never got the chance...  Spoon Jabber | 07/22/04
Tell you what, IF you go into a country and are shot at because you are  Laff | 07/23/04
Why can't their loved ones decide for themselves?  Spoon Jabber | 07/23/04
As I said in a previous post...We have no right to expect  Laff | 07/23/04
Alright, now I'm ticked!  Spoon Jabber | 07/23/04
You have an ex too...who'd a thunk it? Two great catches like us...:)  Laff | 07/24/04
Oh, almost forgot  Spoon Jabber | 07/22/04
Muslims have a long history....And a proud one.  Laff | 07/23/04
Uhhh....hhhuh, hhhuh, you said long (NT)  Spoon Jabber | 07/23/04
Not sure what that meant......:)  Laff | 07/23/04
OH...me stupid! Now I get it...hee hee hee  Laff | 07/23/04
Beavis and Butt-head!  Spoon Jabber | 07/23/04
Yes I remember that show.....  Laff | 07/23/04
Remeber what I said about the Republicans and Independants that voted for  Laff | 07/23/04
If someone's vote is swayed by that movie...  Spoon Jabber | 07/23/04
Never seen a Moore movies myself, don't plan to either.  Laff | 07/23/04
I agree!  Spoon Jabber | 07/23/04
Open Source supporters have their heads in the sand.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Could be, May be, What if, all points yes. However all I'm asking for is  Laff | 07/21/04
I agree completely...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
NOT AGAIN! I agree...and only time will tell who the winner is, or if  Laff | 07/21/04
Scary isn't it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
What are you trolling about?  chiwawa | 07/21/04
This does seem to be a good point No Ax.  Laff | 07/21/04
You've just described...  Spoon Jabber | 07/21/04
Hey Spoon how ya doing?  Laff | 07/21/04
I would say that is acceptable!  Spoon Jabber | 07/21/04
Are you on drugs or have lost it completely?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
Play NICE! Don't make me seperate you two:)  Laff | 07/21/04
By Open Source supporters, you include...  B.O.F.H. | 07/21/04
Ah, you seem to mean customers.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
I suppose we can also exclude...  B.O.F.H. | 07/21/04
I don't see them doing anything.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/21/04
"White knight" to save Linux?  B.O.F.H. | 07/21/04
Patents  Update victim | 07/21/04
GPL is cool. Its legal piracy!  GreatInca | 02/02/05

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