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I think it's undercooked
A few responses without bothering to quote you.

1) I could run as a more restricted user, but I have to account for the occasional poorly programmed windows app. At work, our 'untrusted' users actually use their machines as 'guests'.

2)The anti virus point you keep bringing up is rediculous. If you ahve a bone to pick, pick it with Symantec which in recent years has put out increasingly crappy apps, and who tries to keep the fact that live update can easily be scheduled to run automatically a secret. Good anti virus apps allow the person who installs it to set what users can and can't do. McAfee comes to mind.

3) I knew you would bring up "shatter" attacks. While they are a glaring hole in the Windows GUI API, they require local access to a machine and certain programs to be installed. Hardly the end of the world.

4) I AM a Unix adminstrator. At work I get deal with our big ugly HPUX mainframe and and recently set up an OpenBSD box that sits in front of our mail systems. At home, all of my computers my computers sit behind a FreeBSD machine which serves as my nat router/firewall.
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Microsoft trapped in the hole they dug themselves  toadlife | 07/13/04
One problem though  DarthRidiculous | 07/13/04
More than that  AbsolutelyNot | 07/13/04
Sounds wonderful, but most...  bjbrock | 07/14/04
a better solution:  ryusen | 07/14/04
I'd be up for that  toadlife | 07/14/04
group policy...  ryusen | 07/14/04
Already Available  Alto_z | 07/14/04
GAIN  Alto_z | 07/14/04
Wrong!  toadlife | 07/13/04
If a tree falls and no one's there to hear it...  Michael Kelly | 07/13/04
The trouble is...  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 07/13/04
But...  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 07/13/04
So?  toadlife | 07/13/04
Here's one problem though...  Michael Kelly | 07/13/04
They don't appear to distinguish admin from root.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 07/13/04
ctrl-opt-com-P combo  Alto_z | 07/14/04
In addition to my earlier comment...  Alto_z | 07/14/04
Everything bad re windows and security  Richard Flude | 07/13/04
ignorant, fanatic, or both?  toadlife | 07/13/04
The goose is ready  Richard Flude | 07/13/04
I think it's undercooked  toadlife | 07/13/04
If the AV software...  bjbrock | 07/14/04
Not a all  Richard Flude | 07/14/04
I agree  CobraA1 | 07/14/04
Not really  toadlife | 07/14/04
Another tip  PA-ITGuy | 07/14/04
There however are still some errant install packages  Alto_z | 07/14/04
Shut up  OhMyGosh | 07/14/04
sp  OhMyGosh | 07/14/04
That's like saying that Guns cause violence...  saumur85 | 07/14/04
Make me!  toadlife | 07/14/04
Major Apps need to change  chaz@... | 07/14/04
The standard bad news for MS  michael-t | 07/13/04
re: The standard bad news for MS  toadlife | 07/13/04
Exactly  michael-t | 07/13/04
In other news  Yagotta B. Kidding | 07/13/04
Man, you have to feel for the guys at Microsoft. How much can they take???  DonnieBoy | 07/13/04
Yes, but THEY HAVE to clean THEIR mess  michael-t | 07/13/04
You ain't seen nuthin' yet  Eggs Ackley_z | 07/14/04
RE: You ain't seen nuthin' yet  BXLE | 07/14/04
Old Guy?  Eggs Ackley_z | 07/14/04
I'll give MS this much...  Michael Kelly | 07/14/04
Ballmer must have meant the FLAWS ARE GROWING.  Xunil_Sierutuf | 07/14/04
Readers and MS are missing the point!  netace_z | 07/14/04
relativity of ease...  ryusen | 07/14/04
nfortunately, you missed the  michael-t | 07/14/04
If a tree falls in a forest...  Canberrait | 07/14/04
Critical Flaws?!  grannyhoot | 07/15/04

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