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OK, let's simplify
I am not attacking the messenger because I don't like what they say, I'm attacking them because they have proven time and again to be liars.

And you did the same thing that I pointed out in your prevuious post, you're relying on someones opinion that is printed on paper.

As to your last 2 posts, alot of smoke and mirrors mixed in with some facts still prove nothing.

What's with all of the 3rd party stuff? Can't you find the actual quotes and then match them up with the actual deeds?

Hey, maybe you can find something pertinent in The Enquieror, after all it is in print and read by thousands. This would support your way of thinking; quantity over quality.

Here's a quote from your post that illustrates my point quite well:
-Meanwhile, Kerry was greeted in Oregon and Washington state with television ads paid for by the Bush campaign that underscore what ad analysts call the negativity and misleading nature of many of the Bush TV spots. One titled "Doublespeak" pulls quotes from several major newspapers to argue that Kerry has waffled on major issues and has often said one thing and done another. The quotes, however, are often from editorials, sometimes from opinion pages hostile toward Kerry, such as that of the Wall Street Journal.

Even though the above points may be true, my point is that you can't rely on 3rd party opinions to support your points, especially if some of those opinions are from known liars.

Here's one for you, did you see the headline in a major paper(can't remember their name, heh) recently that said Dick Gephardt was chosen for VP running mate?

My main point is "Believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear..."
Posted by: Spoon Jabber   Posted on: 07/07/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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