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we demand the rejection of the M$ 'open' format
bloated, proprietary and incompatible with OSS, that's enough to vote a big NO on it.
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we demand the rejection of the M$ 'open' format  Linux Geek | 08/28/07
Just like we don't need 2 Internets, we do NOT need 2 document standards.  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
ummmmm  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
Yeah, answer please.  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
PDF is completely different than ODF. PDF is for read only docs and forms.  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
PDF is what this is all about.  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
PDF ONLY saves the information needed for viewing / printing. Sure, you  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
Not quite yet  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/28/07
Hasn't adobe managed a few other standards...  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
PDF's are editable  archangel999 | 08/28/07
Glad to see some unbiased people here.  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
Sure, you can edit a PDF, but, if you want editable documents don't use PDF  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
Donnie. I totally agree....that's way ODF and OOXML  xuniL_z | 08/29/07
Dual Standards  DannyO_0x98 | 08/28/07
was responding to Donnie Boy  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
So, knowing that PDF is for a completely different purpose than either ODF  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
Where did you come from?  Media-Ted@... | 08/29/07
OASIS  zoroaster | 08/29/07
OOXML is more complicated, not better  davidsarmstrong | 08/29/07
De-certify PDF then?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Answer Donnieboy, de-certify PDF or not?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
You know very well that PDF is for a different purpose. PDF is so that you  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
I rather think that more folks use OOo...  Raymond Danner | 08/29/07
Terrified of competition I see.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
And it's not Open XML ......  linux for me | 08/28/07
That is what the standards bodies are answering  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Choice here is the ability to pick the office suite that best suites you  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
No, that is *YOUR* view of what it is.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Office suite user do not need to understand file formats, they just need to  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
File formats are transparent  archangel999 | 08/28/07
No, file formats are NOT transparent yet. The .doc standard is a rats nest  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
You are dead wrong, formats matter  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Yes, file formats matter, but, they should be TRANPARENT to the end user.  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
Axe, I just hope...  Media-Ted@... | 08/29/07
Actually, I use MSOffice, Google Docs and OOo.  Raymond Danner | 08/29/07
What are you talking about??  archangel999 | 08/28/07
Exactlly, they are trying to FORCE their choice on others.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Yes, different document standards DO limit choice. Without the different  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
But what good is it  GuidingLight | 08/28/07
There is NO rocket science in document formats, and, the standard can grow  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
correction ...  zoroaster | 08/29/07
re: open sores  Arm A. Geddon | 08/28/07
Get the facts ...  zoroaster | 08/29/07
Microsoft to lose the ISO ballot in a close vote  mighetto | 08/28/07
Don't think so.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Hobson's Choice, no_axe.  Raymond Danner | 08/29/07
This coming from . . .  JLHenry | 08/30/07
Present your reasons and let the bod decide  Boot_Agnostic | 08/28/07
The best reason is that we need one simple comprehensive standard if we  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
Who is this "we" you speak of?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
We = customers/users of office suites, proprietary OR open source.  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
Well them "We" = 90% of all users  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
People choose Office Suites, NOT file formats. Yes, file formats that are  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
Yeah, thats why IT departments buy MS Office  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Microsoft understands very well that IT departments choose MS Office for  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
If That where TRUE..  JoseTorr | 08/28/07
amen.  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
RE: Ballmer . . .  JLHenry | 08/30/07
The whole push for an open standard is to have a single unambiguous  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
BullShat, it all started in Mass.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Microsoft is afraid of interoperability DonnieBoy?  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
Massachusetts is just the tip of the iceberg. And, it really is funny to  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
I'd think that the best reason against ooxml...  zkiwi | 08/28/07
and ax thinks it's competition  Monkey_MCSE | 08/28/07
MS ALWAYS has their lobbyists out in force  Ole Man | 08/29/07
why  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
OOOoooKKaaayyy . . .  JLHenry | 08/30/07
Your analogy doesn't work.  xuniL_z | 08/31/07
and another link...  Arm A. Geddon | 08/28/07
I'll bet you never thought, for one second  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
guess you didn't read the article  Arm A. Geddon | 08/28/07
suspicious, but impossible.  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
correction. staunch not stout. tired, sorry  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
Of course...... Par for the course!  Ole Man | 08/29/07
That is the worst possible reason  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
Not correct...  linux for me | 08/28/07
Real standards?  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
There are numerous "tie-in" elements  zkiwi | 08/28/07
Are you sure these  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
Why does that matter?  zkiwi | 08/28/07
You are right, why does that matter?  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
Those hooks  zkiwi | 08/28/07
I would not have any problem  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
ObQuirk!  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/28/07
Quoting the article:  Anton Philidor | 08/28/07
In other words  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/28/07
"... a truth universally acknowledged..."  Anton Philidor | 08/28/07
"... a lie universally acknowledged..."  Ole Man | 08/29/07
Your honor, may we approach the bench.  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
Here's a clue for you  zkiwi | 08/28/07
Here is something for you.  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
That'd be nice...  zkiwi | 08/28/07
great.  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
A clure for you.  xuniL_z | 08/29/07
Kool-aid  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/28/07
well.  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
Problem is ...  zoroaster | 08/29/07
Visa Versa  Boot_Agnostic | 08/30/07
Gee, the open source FUD machine is in full motion  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
It remains to b e seen  zkiwi | 08/28/07
No, you are wrong  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Learn to read  zkiwi | 08/28/07
Learn to think  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
That why...  zkiwi | 08/28/07
Your cluelessness is showing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Really?  zkiwi | 08/28/07
That and...  zkiwi | 08/28/07
Yes really...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
I don't get your point here.  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
yeah "write"  zkiwi | 08/28/07
zoom  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
Is Microsoft going to open that up?  Ole Man | 08/29/07
i don't know... ?  xuniL_z | 08/29/07
please.....OSS is for fair and open competition!  Linux Geek | 08/28/07
Why would they support ODF?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
lol  CobraA1 | 08/28/07
Yeah, Ford decided to change engine compartment  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Your car analogy fails...  Linux User 147560 | 08/28/07
Major mods?  Linux User 147560 | 08/28/07
Oh I see..  BFD | 08/28/07
Critics?  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
You want criticism?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/28/07
ok.  xuniL_z | 08/29/07
A standard  zoroaster | 08/29/07
Some Please Explain how throttling back Office's capabilities  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
Examples, please  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/28/07
They don't have any examples. There is no rocket science in a document  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
Documents are words  Ole Man | 08/29/07
well  xuniL_z | 08/30/07
see my other post to you.  xuniL_z | 08/28/07
Open Source does NOT want users to have choices.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Touchstone  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/28/07
Your rant changes nothing  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
Microsoft doesn't make standards...  Raymond Danner | 08/29/07
oh come now.  xuniL_z | 08/30/07
Correction  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/28/07
Insane! Approve it and move on!  GeiselS@... | 08/28/07
ISO is a STANDARDS organization. That is what they do, they figure out what  DonnieBoy | 08/28/07
Mo' bettah!  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/28/07
Sounds just like Microsoft  Ole Man | 08/29/07
As long as NO ONE actually owns any given standard  Laff | 08/28/07
That is already known.  xuniL_z | 08/29/07
Final word...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
another prediction No_Axe?  Arm A. Geddon | 08/28/07
Absolutely, in fact i'll make a wager if you like.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/28/07
re: wager  Arm A. Geddon | 08/28/07
Have you owned up to the the bets you made on the SCO ruling??? [nt]  JLHenry | 08/30/07
Of course critics urge rejection  GuidingLight | 08/28/07
shh...  zoroaster | 08/29/07
well the only thing that we can be sure about  Quebec-french | 08/28/07
Have you guys tried porting documents in ODF?  A.Sinic | 08/29/07
Be interesting to see  xuniL_z | 08/29/07
tell us more  zoroaster | 08/29/07
The true definition of FUD. For real.  xuniL_z | 08/29/07
The only way you can lose control of your data...  pcguy777 | 08/29/07
Tell that  zoroaster | 08/29/07
I have run into that problem  roaming | 08/29/07
Can anyone make it STABLE?  credmedia | 08/29/07
Honestly.  JLHenry | 08/30/07

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