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RE: oldskool: In your mind the average user doesn't want the components integrated. I stated the average user doesn't care. You use APACHE as an example. I say the average user doesn't run a web site. You say because there are other Browsers used on Windows the user doesn't want one integrated. I say your conclusion is a stretch. You say because the courts found them guilty people other then the Linux/Unix/OS X crowd care about integration. I say the courts and Microsoft's competitors are not the average user. So just exactly who is denying reality?; Posted by: ShadeTree Posted on: 06/16/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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Remarkable Craftmanship in Desing/Implementation michael-t | 06/14/04

Now wait just a minute! Anton Philidor | 06/14/04

I am not michael-t | 06/14/04

Strongr Security Settings IT_Critic | 06/15/04

Hey the fact is that MS always responds jimk_z | 06/15/04

If you truly believe that ... Mike Rotch | 06/15/04

Great michael-t | 06/15/04

Missed deadline richhayes | 06/15/04

By definition rock06r | 06/15/04

Surprise, surprise, MS bundled "new features" in with its patches oldskool | 06/14/04

Security IT_Critic | 06/15/04

Believe it or not, rock06r | 06/15/04

No other company "sneaks" applications in with patches oldskool | 06/15/04

And I see where you made your mistake. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

dismissive statements can be confused as arrogant oldskool | 06/15/04

Thanks for the Linux-centric view, but... rock06r | 06/15/04

its a simple reality that bug fixes are not feature push opportunities oldskool | 06/15/04

RE:Oldskool ShadeTree | 06/16/04

Windows ISV, not MS competitors want Windows APIs opened up oldskool | 06/17/04

Well, if your argument is that rock06r | 06/15/04

Code PATCH, not a Feature Release mdailey | 06/15/04

It's neither a code patch nor a feature release ... Ardian Daka | 06/15/04

You're kidding, right? mdailey | 06/15/04

As I said: there's no legal definition (NT) Ardian Daka | 06/15/04

There is well understood industry interpretation though! oldskool | 06/15/04

Then don't install the service pack voska | 06/15/04

This is a non answer, customers want regression tested patches! oldskool | 06/15/04

Legal restrictions? rapson | 06/15/04

Software 101 Anton Philidor | 06/15/04

Why argue against common sense voska | 06/15/04

History 862.3 Sign-Up Sheet Anton Philidor | 06/15/04

you are wrong .. the question is why do customers choose? oldskool | 06/15/04

Why does Microsoft choose to... Anton Philidor | 06/15/04

MS exploits its position as dominant vendor - nothing more! oldskool | 06/15/04

Just business Anton Philidor | 06/15/04

Add to above Anton Philidor | 06/15/04

re-read the thread ... you said MS-evil, not me! oldskool | 06/15/04

Speak for yourself... dj_45_cal | 06/15/04

Spoken like someone who doesn't really use a computer rdlink | 06/16/04

Unwanted features tic swayback | 06/15/04

So why not... No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

Stop whining about all the whining... tic swayback | 06/15/04

So the users who want to use a "slimmer Windows" don't count? oldskool | 06/15/04

The majority of users.... ShadeTree | 06/15/04

How dare you use common sense in the talkbacks! No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

your in denial, but that's your issue! oldskool | 06/15/04

RE: oldskool ShadeTree | 06/16/04

You can't please this crowd, "Good Post". Gorgonn | 07/12/04

Sorry, but you are talking about open source users, not MS users. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

i just polled 1000 innocent bystanders! oldskool | 06/15/04

985 asked, "What's an operating system?" (NT) Anton Philidor | 06/15/04

If users don't know what an OS is, then they arn't CHOOSING Windows! oldskool | 06/17/04

"Hidden" rather than "new" are the problem... MacCanuck | 06/15/04

So what is *YOUR* problem.. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

So AXE, I can assume you don't work in Customer Service, right? oldskool | 06/15/04

Sure I do, I give good advice too. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

Thanks for the advice... MacCanuck | 06/15/04

Everybody complains about product activation..... ShadeTree | 06/15/04

how about the 30-100 Billion in lost productivity last year? oldskool | 06/15/04

Ah, the "cost" myth. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

You asked, so here are some examples tic swayback | 06/15/04

Nice try ShadeTree | 06/16/04

Funny thing, I like Pong and Space Invaders voska | 06/15/04

listen up ... people want a quality OS not an OS and 10 second rate apps oldskool | 06/15/04

So what is stopping you? No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

I'll stick to using Windows as long as the internet connection is inactive oldskool | 06/15/04

So once again we have.... ShadeTree | 06/16/04

wan't me who decided not to allow Windows without bundled apps oldskool | 06/17/04

Depends Michael Kelly | 06/15/04

12XP is a much smaller segment of the market than sales numbers suggest! oldskool | 06/15/04

Does this service back still block Windows update? whisperycat | 06/15/04

Ignorance reveiled Ardian Daka | 06/15/04

damned if you do and damned if you dont.... JoeMama_z | 06/15/04

Don't you just love all the bashing.... ShadeTree | 06/15/04

What else do you expect from the unthinking? No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

What else do YOU expect? Michael Kelly | 06/15/04

DId they use a gun? No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

No, and I don't use Linux at home Michael Kelly | 06/15/04

Sounds like you have a smart boss. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

Title should have been "I DO use Linux at home " Michael Kelly | 06/15/04

So your real complaint is that... No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

Who said he wasn't letting me switch? Michael Kelly | 06/15/04

You did silly... No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

Read on Michael Kelly | 06/15/04

Huh? Why not? No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

But what if... Michael Kelly | 06/15/04

I guess it was too much.... ShadeTree | 06/15/04

On the bright side, they make open source look horrible. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

Don't confuse the "community" with the zealots. Michael Kelly | 06/15/04

Impossible to tell the difference. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

The difference between Perens and the bashers Michael Kelly | 06/15/04

You haven't read enough of Perens writings then. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

If it bothers you that much, try reading more Torvalds and less Perens Michael Kelly | 06/15/04

You are generalizing too much toadlife | 06/15/04

I can't tell. Just read the posts. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

Try someplace else besides ZDNet toadlife | 06/15/04

Stallman's Minions Anton Philidor | 06/15/04

(NT)Huh? toadlife | 06/15/04

Hee hee! tic swayback | 06/15/04

Now thats great coming from you after.. Iain_Peters | 06/16/04

Question tic swayback | 06/15/04

The EULA is basically the same as it has been ShadeTree | 06/15/04

Thanks tic swayback | 06/15/04

I have a question... DarbyOhara | 06/15/04

SP2 will update a base install of XP ShadeTree | 06/15/04

Little known Bill Gates history tells all ! wwwsupport | 06/15/04

Indded, he became the richest man in the US. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

Sad commentary... MacCanuck | 06/15/04

MS does deserve credit for making software a commodity Michael Kelly | 06/15/04

A commodity means exchangable functionality .. MS fights that! oldskool | 06/15/04

That is one opinion, nothing more. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

So you are a decision maker at MS then .... ? oldskool | 06/15/04

Now your being obtuse. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

My, what a cute little rant. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

Facts is facts Bit... or is that you Bill? MacCanuck | 06/15/04

If all else fails, insult the other person. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

That's your MO... MacCanuck | 06/15/04

stick to the facts ... it works oldskool | 06/15/04

Revised history??? No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

care to rebutt my statements rather than switch them? oldskool | 06/15/04

I sure will! No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

Need back up to your claim Don. bgoss@... | 06/15/04

Judge Jackson was a complete idiot? You may be right. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

yeah, we got your argument ... they bought Windows & got a free PC oldskool | 06/15/04

DOS was Bill Gates' biggest gamble, bigger than Windows! oldskool | 06/15/04

Speaking of Big Blue... dj_45_cal | 06/15/04

Also... tgrady | 06/17/04

What is the value of this service pack ambraun@... | 06/15/04

why is an adware blocker required to fix an OS bug? oldskool | 06/15/04

Why did Samba need so many patchs? No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

your really not going to defend yourself on patch counts are you? oldskool | 06/15/04

Are you really this clueless about the SMB protocol and SaMBa? B.O.F.H. | 06/15/04

A patch is a patch is a patch. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

Huh? bgoss@... | 06/15/04

Here you go, just for you. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

2 seperate and unrelated issues? B.O.F.H. | 06/15/04

If you want security and reliability wwwsupport | 06/16/04

Oh poor Microsoft, we feel for you, it'll be all right again. Spin_Masterz | 06/15/04

Uh huh, $57 Billion in th ebank "poor". No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04

$57 Billion Dirty money, that is. Spin_Masterz | 06/15/04

doesn't $57B make a company a take over target? oldskool | 06/15/04

Poor as in "lacking morals and ethics"... MacCanuck | 06/16/04

Why put up with MS Windows? zahmadi | 06/16/04

I highly doubt that - and G4 is a dog zeusfuse | 06/16/04

You do realize the flaw in this logic right? DigitalKid | 06/16/04

Don't be so quick to blame Windows for your troubles DesigningKnight | 06/17/04

What ever happened to............... jb123 | 06/16/04

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