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MS responds to things that seriously endanger the cash flow.

They ARE late in everything, including effective security, portability, 64-bit support and home-grown applications.

Security has NOT been addressed effectively yet, and if it weren't for all the embarassing virus break-outs they would still be playing their usual `look at our beautiful GUI and forget about security tune'.

UNIX moved tpo 64-bits in full force in the middle 90's. MS JUST started. If it took them around 16-17 years to come up with a USABLE but still insecure 32-bit PC OS, HOW LONG are thy going to be fiddling with their 64-bit os until it becomes a USABLE production level OS for the data-center? I saw the (HARD TO FIND) announcement on w2004 datacenter that supports up to 64 Itanium-2 processors. Whoever believes that MS can pull off a 64-bit OS for a NUMA architecture in just a couple of years is naive at best. Even by the end of 2003 MS was announcing in their site that they would be releasing a 64-bit windows for the Itanium-2 in the 2nd Q-2004 for UP TO FOUR processors. Now they mention 64 processors. How did the miracle happened? I'll bet that whoever uses it in a data center will be engaging in a very lengthy fight with the MS shoddiness and lack of fore-sight.

MS was, is and it will most likely remain a solution provider for the workgroup: their profits come from selling FAT PC solutions with little concern for larger SMPs or distributed systems. They know well that this is serious business that takes millions of man-hours in R/D. They DO NOT want to invest in long-term platform designs because it does not generate billions in the short run. You can see this by the financial reports of their different business units: their desktop platform raked in billions last year. Their server and data-center lost 100s of millions.


Bottom line, the current BETA PATCH is `security-minded' not security-capable.

Yes they respond to events that threaten their financial standing.

--m
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Remarkable Craftmanship in Desing/Implementation  michael-t | 06/14/04
Now wait just a minute!  Anton Philidor | 06/14/04
I am not  michael-t | 06/14/04
Strongr Security Settings  IT_Critic | 06/15/04
Hey the fact is that MS always responds  jimk_z | 06/15/04
If you truly believe that ...  Mike Rotch | 06/15/04
Great  michael-t | 06/15/04
Missed deadline  richhayes | 06/15/04
By definition  rock06r | 06/15/04
Surprise, surprise, MS bundled "new features" in with its patches  oldskool | 06/14/04
Security  IT_Critic | 06/15/04
Believe it or not,  rock06r | 06/15/04
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And I see where you made your mistake.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04
dismissive statements can be confused as arrogant  oldskool | 06/15/04
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its a simple reality that bug fixes are not feature push opportunities  oldskool | 06/15/04
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Well, if your argument is that  rock06r | 06/15/04
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Just business  Anton Philidor | 06/15/04
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re-read the thread ... you said MS-evil, not me!  oldskool | 06/15/04
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So why not...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04
Stop whining about all the whining...  tic swayback | 06/15/04
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The majority of users....  ShadeTree | 06/15/04
How dare you use common sense in the talkbacks!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04
your in denial, but that's your issue!  oldskool | 06/15/04
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So what is *YOUR* problem..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04
So AXE, I can assume you don't work in Customer Service, right?  oldskool | 06/15/04
Sure I do, I give good advice too.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04
Thanks for the advice...  MacCanuck | 06/15/04
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Ah, the "cost" myth.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04
You asked, so here are some examples  tic swayback | 06/15/04
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listen up ... people want a quality OS not an OS and 10 second rate apps  oldskool | 06/15/04
So what is stopping you?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04
I'll stick to using Windows as long as the internet connection is inactive  oldskool | 06/15/04
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Ignorance reveiled  Ardian Daka | 06/15/04
damned if you do and damned if you dont....  JoeMama_z | 06/15/04
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Huh? Why not?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04
But what if...  Michael Kelly | 06/15/04
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care to rebutt my statements rather than switch them?  oldskool | 06/15/04
I sure will!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04
Need back up to your claim Don.  bgoss@... | 06/15/04
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yeah, we got your argument ... they bought Windows & got a free PC  oldskool | 06/15/04
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Why did Samba need so many patchs?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04
your really not going to defend yourself on patch counts are you?  oldskool | 06/15/04
Are you really this clueless about the SMB protocol and SaMBa?  B.O.F.H. | 06/15/04
A patch is a patch is a patch.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04
Huh?  bgoss@... | 06/15/04
Here you go, just for you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04
2 seperate and unrelated issues?  B.O.F.H. | 06/15/04
If you want security and reliability  wwwsupport | 06/16/04
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Uh huh, $57 Billion in th ebank "poor".  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/15/04
$57 Billion Dirty money, that is.  Spin_Masterz | 06/15/04
doesn't $57B make a company a take over target?  oldskool | 06/15/04
Poor as in "lacking morals and ethics"...  MacCanuck | 06/16/04
Why put up with MS Windows?  zahmadi | 06/16/04
I highly doubt that - and G4 is a dog  zeusfuse | 06/16/04
You do realize the flaw in this logic right?  DigitalKid | 06/16/04
Don't be so quick to blame Windows for your troubles  DesigningKnight | 06/17/04
What ever happened to...............  jb123 | 06/16/04

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