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and that is the sad part itsn't it?
"it remains valid for the full term. There is no such concept as "defending" a patent, and its owner can enforce it at any time within the term - or even after the term, if infringement within the term can be shown."
- that this basically allows a company to reap the benifits of other people's work to assert an industry standard, then cash in on it.
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Oke, now let's tackle the double click and todo list  NemesisNL | 06/11/04
And then there's..  d_jedi | 06/11/04
The Atari ST used FAT in 1985.  Jomo_z | 06/12/04
first use restrictions apply as well /..../  oldskool | 06/14/04
MS Up To Usual Lies & Manipulation  claytonmuhler | 06/14/04
This is Bad  Kamakazii | 06/11/04
No, invalid patents are bad  IT_User | 06/11/04
Agreed - if there is nothing wrong with the patent...  Confused by religion | 06/11/04
Moreover, Microsoft should be pleased  IT_User | 06/11/04
This is Good?  NemesisNL | 06/12/04
I agree, copyrights are software's domain  voska | 06/14/04
FAT isn't a software patent  A.Sinic | 06/14/04
ah, that would be the zero vs. one encoding not the meaning  oldskool | 06/14/04
Let's follow this a bit further  IT_User | 06/11/04
Patents already undermined  CobraA1 | 06/11/04
How bad is this Kama?  Still Lynn | 06/12/04
Patent  richhayes | 06/12/04
PubPat wasn't around before  IT_User | 06/12/04
How many years was it Johnny?  Still Lynn | 06/12/04
Good Question  richhayes | 06/13/04
you must work for MS  prrawlins | 06/14/04
look at the issues  ryusen | 06/14/04
Microsoft simply cannot compete fairly  Xunil_Sierutuf | 06/11/04
False claims by large companies should be charged much higher  PhilippeV | 10/07/05
FAT owned by Microsoft?  sordito | 06/11/04
FAT = File Allocation Table  Fred Fredrickson | 06/12/04
The Atari ST used FAT, the same as MS-DOS  Jomo_z | 06/12/04
Patents last 37 year not 17 anymore  voska | 06/14/04
This article is not about FAT itself  A.Sinic | 06/14/04
So it's not FAT but VFAT extension  PhilippeV | 10/07/05
One other factor  bidemytime | 06/11/04
You're refering to trademarks  IT_User | 06/12/04
Extension  richhayes | 06/12/04
No, you're correct  IT_User | 06/12/04
Thanks  richhayes | 06/13/04
From what I read on the net  voska | 06/14/04
and that is the sad part itsn't it?  ryusen | 06/14/04
Thanks for the information  bidemytime | 06/14/04
This is NOT a make or break issue for Linux  George Mitchell | 06/11/04
You are being very short sighted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04
I don't think MS will be so short sighted...  Michael Kelly | 06/12/04
Why I disagree...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04
But underlying it all  IT_User | 06/12/04
Doesn't matter, time is the enemy.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04
I suppose they can sue  IT_User | 06/13/04
re: IT User  ryusen | 06/14/04
Inventive step (obviousness) invalidation  Anton Philidor | 06/14/04
Are you trying to bait me?  George Mitchell | 06/12/04
Not a bit, I agree with you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04
I wouldn't use Samba then  voska | 06/14/04
I don't expect WinFS to be different from NTFS.  doe_z | 06/12/04
I don't think you understand WinFS.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04
Doesn't have to be open source.  doe_z | 06/13/04
You should read a little more on what WinFS is!  B.O.F.H. | 06/13/04
I don't see that as problem  voska | 06/14/04
Yes, but I need it to share files with Windows users via USB flash.  DonnieBoy | 06/12/04
Okay, but  IT_User | 06/12/04
Yes, but people come to my office with a file on a NTFS flash memory stick  DonnieBoy | 06/12/04
has ms ever abused it's fat patent?  V Sanders | 06/13/04
Maybe confused  IT_User | 06/14/04
I don't see the open office problem  voska | 06/14/04
exactly  NemesisNL | 06/12/04
License  richhayes | 06/12/04
Spot on.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04
Two points  IT_User | 06/12/04
Microsoft property  richhayes | 06/13/04
Not so small population  FirstNLastN | 06/13/04
License  richhayes | 06/14/04
everyone is affected by restrictions, although only a few hit them  oldskool | 06/14/04
Important, not necessarily vulnerable  Anton Philidor | 06/14/04
Don't get me wrong ...  George Mitchell | 06/12/04
Shutting down Linux  Anton Philidor | 06/14/04
Dream on Anton!  George Mitchell | 06/14/04
Guess who has the patents?  George Mitchell | 06/14/04
The possible and the real  Anton Philidor | 06/14/04
Use Open Source instead of Microsoft  voska | 06/14/04
Microsoft file patent faces exam  Ghost_Rider116@... | 06/12/04
Because open source didn't need it before.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04
It's not about "open source"  IT_User | 06/12/04
But this will unravel the proprietaries, not open source..  Jeff Spicoli | 06/12/04
Naw, can you say cross license?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04
haha  V Sanders | 06/13/04
Or ignore it altogether  IT_User | 06/13/04
if FAT and double-click are MS's strongest IP then OSS is laughing!  oldskool | 06/14/04
FAT and SAMBA...  swoopee | 06/12/04
Don't know about that  IT_User | 06/12/04
So?  Michael Kelly | 06/12/04
Oh yeah, you're right  IT_User | 06/12/04
Hmmm, how does Samba serve a Windows file?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04
What exactly is a "Windows FAT based file"?  Michael Kelly | 06/12/04
True, only if it's html.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04
I presume that you are trying to be funny!  B.O.F.H. | 06/12/04
WebDAV (or WebFolders as MS calls it) makes web based fileserver  oldskool | 06/14/04
Samba inmplements the SMB protocol.  B.O.F.H. | 06/12/04
FAT is a physical device related data structure, not a wire protocol  oldskool | 06/14/04
FAT and SAMBA not the same  voska | 06/14/04
SaMBa and FAT are unrelated.  B.O.F.H. | 06/13/04
SAMBA's SMB/CIFS is public ... MS can't lock out its use  oldskool | 06/14/04
Ironic about the Patent Office  IT_User | 06/12/04
One easy way around this even if the patent is upheld  Michael Kelly | 06/12/04
Exactly, the downside to protectionism is irrelevance  oldskool | 06/14/04
I knew there was a solution  voska | 06/14/04
Just like the Eolas crap, all patents need better review  FilledOut | 06/12/04
And so it begins... the long road ahead.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04
It's a long road for everyone...  tic swayback | 06/12/04
I agree completely.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04
You can't fight this one "tooth and nail"  IT_User | 06/12/04
Delays, delays, delays.  Michael Kelly | 06/13/04
And after the delay, we go to court.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04
Do the people doing the review...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04
This is counter to Microsoft's principles  IT_User | 06/13/04
I just tossed a bone out to see who would grab it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04
You got me, but  IT_User | 06/13/04
Even MS has limits (not financial) as to the amount of jhustice it can buy!  oldskool | 06/14/04
Sue over a denied patent?  IT_User | 06/14/04
Linux will smash through this like it is not even there!  Jeff Spicoli | 06/12/04
Cute rant, but far from accurate.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04
Plus  richhayes | 06/12/04
You're assuming  IT_User | 06/12/04
.  Jeff Spicoli | 06/12/04
Question  richhayes | 06/13/04
legal and enforcable are different issues, burden on patent holder!  oldskool | 06/14/04
Sound like you're confusing issues  IT_User | 06/14/04
patent rights are lost all the time  oldskool | 06/14/04
Are you saying dual boot FAT is licensed?  oldskool | 06/14/04
This has nothing to do with Linux  voska | 06/14/04
well said  ryusen | 06/14/04
Microsoft suck !  judgesinel@... | 06/12/04
What a well thought out and articulated post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04
And..  Jeff Spicoli | 06/12/04
Don't worry, the smarter folks got it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04
That sounds a lot like LinuxLover74.  Linux_Developer | 06/15/04
FAT is pattented?  michael-t | 06/12/04
Yes, sat that the patent office lets things like this through.  DonnieBoy | 06/12/04
Dang, and I wanted to buy that patent  FilledOut | 06/13/04
ms has moved on to  V Sanders | 06/13/04
Microsoft Patents  flbas | 06/14/04
DMCA  flbas | 06/14/04
Not quite right  voska | 06/14/04
"file system innovation "  BitTwiddler | 06/14/04
Why Microsoft Will Win In The End  RobertoSalazar | 06/14/04
I don't know about that  Unicornrider | 06/14/04
Wasn't Mickey covered undr Copyright law, not Patent law  oldskool | 06/14/04
Technically no but  voska | 06/14/04
my understanding is the code is Copyright, the design is PAtent  oldskool | 06/16/04
Scandalous, and outraging  PhilippeV | 10/07/05

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