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I agree, copyrights are software's domain: Software is instruction. Very much like how I'd follow a manual to fix my car the computer follows the instruction in software to its tasks.

Patenting software is really really stupid and is just made up to make money and nothing else. In the end it will stifle innovation so that no new software can be written.; Posted by: voska Posted on: 06/14/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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Oke, now let's tackle the double click and todo list NemesisNL | 06/11/04

And then there's.. d_jedi | 06/11/04

The Atari ST used FAT in 1985. Jomo_z | 06/12/04

first use restrictions apply as well /..../ oldskool | 06/14/04

MS Up To Usual Lies & Manipulation claytonmuhler | 06/14/04

This is Bad Kamakazii | 06/11/04

No, invalid patents are bad IT_User | 06/11/04

Agreed - if there is nothing wrong with the patent... Confused by religion | 06/11/04

Moreover, Microsoft should be pleased IT_User | 06/11/04

This is Good? NemesisNL | 06/12/04

I agree, copyrights are software's domain voska | 06/14/04

FAT isn't a software patent A.Sinic | 06/14/04

ah, that would be the zero vs. one encoding not the meaning oldskool | 06/14/04

Let's follow this a bit further IT_User | 06/11/04

Patents already undermined CobraA1 | 06/11/04

How bad is this Kama? Still Lynn | 06/12/04

Patent richhayes | 06/12/04

PubPat wasn't around before IT_User | 06/12/04

How many years was it Johnny? Still Lynn | 06/12/04

Good Question richhayes | 06/13/04

you must work for MS prrawlins | 06/14/04

look at the issues ryusen | 06/14/04

Microsoft simply cannot compete fairly Xunil_Sierutuf | 06/11/04

False claims by large companies should be charged much higher PhilippeV | 10/07/05

FAT owned by Microsoft? sordito | 06/11/04

FAT = File Allocation Table Fred Fredrickson | 06/12/04

The Atari ST used FAT, the same as MS-DOS Jomo_z | 06/12/04

Patents last 37 year not 17 anymore voska | 06/14/04

This article is not about FAT itself A.Sinic | 06/14/04

So it's not FAT but VFAT extension PhilippeV | 10/07/05

One other factor bidemytime | 06/11/04

You're refering to trademarks IT_User | 06/12/04

Extension richhayes | 06/12/04

No, you're correct IT_User | 06/12/04

Thanks richhayes | 06/13/04

From what I read on the net voska | 06/14/04

and that is the sad part itsn't it? ryusen | 06/14/04

Thanks for the information bidemytime | 06/14/04

This is NOT a make or break issue for Linux George Mitchell | 06/11/04

You are being very short sighted. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

I don't think MS will be so short sighted... Michael Kelly | 06/12/04

Why I disagree... No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

But underlying it all IT_User | 06/12/04

Doesn't matter, time is the enemy. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

I suppose they can sue IT_User | 06/13/04

re: IT User ryusen | 06/14/04

Inventive step (obviousness) invalidation Anton Philidor | 06/14/04

Are you trying to bait me? George Mitchell | 06/12/04

Not a bit, I agree with you. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

I wouldn't use Samba then voska | 06/14/04

I don't expect WinFS to be different from NTFS. doe_z | 06/12/04

I don't think you understand WinFS. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

Doesn't have to be open source. doe_z | 06/13/04

You should read a little more on what WinFS is! B.O.F.H. | 06/13/04

I don't see that as problem voska | 06/14/04

Yes, but I need it to share files with Windows users via USB flash. DonnieBoy | 06/12/04

Okay, but IT_User | 06/12/04

Yes, but people come to my office with a file on a NTFS flash memory stick DonnieBoy | 06/12/04

has ms ever abused it's fat patent? V Sanders | 06/13/04

Maybe confused IT_User | 06/14/04

I don't see the open office problem voska | 06/14/04

exactly NemesisNL | 06/12/04

License richhayes | 06/12/04

Spot on. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

Two points IT_User | 06/12/04

Microsoft property richhayes | 06/13/04

Not so small population FirstNLastN | 06/13/04

License richhayes | 06/14/04

everyone is affected by restrictions, although only a few hit them oldskool | 06/14/04

Important, not necessarily vulnerable Anton Philidor | 06/14/04

Don't get me wrong ... George Mitchell | 06/12/04

Shutting down Linux Anton Philidor | 06/14/04

Dream on Anton! George Mitchell | 06/14/04

Guess who has the patents? George Mitchell | 06/14/04

The possible and the real Anton Philidor | 06/14/04

Use Open Source instead of Microsoft voska | 06/14/04

Microsoft file patent faces exam Ghost_Rider116@... | 06/12/04

Because open source didn't need it before. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

It's not about "open source" IT_User | 06/12/04

But this will unravel the proprietaries, not open source.. Jeff Spicoli | 06/12/04

Naw, can you say cross license? No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

haha V Sanders | 06/13/04

Or ignore it altogether IT_User | 06/13/04

if FAT and double-click are MS's strongest IP then OSS is laughing! oldskool | 06/14/04

FAT and SAMBA... swoopee | 06/12/04

Don't know about that IT_User | 06/12/04

So? Michael Kelly | 06/12/04

Oh yeah, you're right IT_User | 06/12/04

Hmmm, how does Samba serve a Windows file? No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

What exactly is a "Windows FAT based file"? Michael Kelly | 06/12/04

True, only if it's html. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

I presume that you are trying to be funny! B.O.F.H. | 06/12/04

WebDAV (or WebFolders as MS calls it) makes web based fileserver oldskool | 06/14/04

Samba inmplements the SMB protocol. B.O.F.H. | 06/12/04

FAT is a physical device related data structure, not a wire protocol oldskool | 06/14/04

FAT and SAMBA not the same voska | 06/14/04

SaMBa and FAT are unrelated. B.O.F.H. | 06/13/04

SAMBA's SMB/CIFS is public ... MS can't lock out its use oldskool | 06/14/04

Ironic about the Patent Office IT_User | 06/12/04

One easy way around this even if the patent is upheld Michael Kelly | 06/12/04

Exactly, the downside to protectionism is irrelevance oldskool | 06/14/04

I knew there was a solution voska | 06/14/04

Just like the Eolas crap, all patents need better review FilledOut | 06/12/04

And so it begins... the long road ahead. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

It's a long road for everyone... tic swayback | 06/12/04

I agree completely. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

You can't fight this one "tooth and nail" IT_User | 06/12/04

Delays, delays, delays. Michael Kelly | 06/13/04

And after the delay, we go to court. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

Do the people doing the review... No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

This is counter to Microsoft's principles IT_User | 06/13/04

I just tossed a bone out to see who would grab it. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

You got me, but IT_User | 06/13/04

Even MS has limits (not financial) as to the amount of jhustice it can buy! oldskool | 06/14/04

Sue over a denied patent? IT_User | 06/14/04

Linux will smash through this like it is not even there! Jeff Spicoli | 06/12/04

Cute rant, but far from accurate. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

Plus richhayes | 06/12/04

You're assuming IT_User | 06/12/04

. Jeff Spicoli | 06/12/04

Question richhayes | 06/13/04

legal and enforcable are different issues, burden on patent holder! oldskool | 06/14/04

Sound like you're confusing issues IT_User | 06/14/04

patent rights are lost all the time oldskool | 06/14/04

Are you saying dual boot FAT is licensed? oldskool | 06/14/04

This has nothing to do with Linux voska | 06/14/04

well said ryusen | 06/14/04

Microsoft suck ! judgesinel@... | 06/12/04

What a well thought out and articulated post. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

And.. Jeff Spicoli | 06/12/04

Don't worry, the smarter folks got it. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

That sounds a lot like LinuxLover74. Linux_Developer | 06/15/04

FAT is pattented? michael-t | 06/12/04

Yes, sat that the patent office lets things like this through. DonnieBoy | 06/12/04

Dang, and I wanted to buy that patent FilledOut | 06/13/04

ms has moved on to V Sanders | 06/13/04

Microsoft Patents flbas | 06/14/04

DMCA flbas | 06/14/04

Not quite right voska | 06/14/04

"file system innovation " BitTwiddler | 06/14/04

Why Microsoft Will Win In The End RobertoSalazar | 06/14/04

I don't know about that Unicornrider | 06/14/04

Wasn't Mickey covered undr Copyright law, not Patent law oldskool | 06/14/04

Technically no but voska | 06/14/04

my understanding is the code is Copyright, the design is PAtent oldskool | 06/16/04

Scandalous, and outraging PhilippeV | 10/07/05

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