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Microsoft simply cannot compete fairly: Microsoft is the death-row inmate that keeps trying to prolong the inevitable.

Longhorn will eventually come out and the world will yawn- it will be too late by then.; Posted by: Xunil_Sierutuf Posted on: 06/11/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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Oke, now let's tackle the double click and todo list NemesisNL | 06/11/04

And then there's.. d_jedi | 06/11/04

The Atari ST used FAT in 1985. Jomo_z | 06/12/04

first use restrictions apply as well /..../ oldskool | 06/14/04

MS Up To Usual Lies & Manipulation claytonmuhler | 06/14/04

This is Bad Kamakazii | 06/11/04

No, invalid patents are bad IT_User | 06/11/04

Agreed - if there is nothing wrong with the patent... Confused by religion | 06/11/04

Moreover, Microsoft should be pleased IT_User | 06/11/04

This is Good? NemesisNL | 06/12/04

I agree, copyrights are software's domain voska | 06/14/04

FAT isn't a software patent A.Sinic | 06/14/04

ah, that would be the zero vs. one encoding not the meaning oldskool | 06/14/04

Let's follow this a bit further IT_User | 06/11/04

Patents already undermined CobraA1 | 06/11/04

How bad is this Kama? Still Lynn | 06/12/04

Patent richhayes | 06/12/04

PubPat wasn't around before IT_User | 06/12/04

How many years was it Johnny? Still Lynn | 06/12/04

Good Question richhayes | 06/13/04

you must work for MS prrawlins | 06/14/04

look at the issues ryusen | 06/14/04

Microsoft simply cannot compete fairly Xunil_Sierutuf | 06/11/04

False claims by large companies should be charged much higher PhilippeV | 10/07/05

FAT owned by Microsoft? sordito | 06/11/04

FAT = File Allocation Table Fred Fredrickson | 06/12/04

The Atari ST used FAT, the same as MS-DOS Jomo_z | 06/12/04

Patents last 37 year not 17 anymore voska | 06/14/04

This article is not about FAT itself A.Sinic | 06/14/04

So it's not FAT but VFAT extension PhilippeV | 10/07/05

One other factor bidemytime | 06/11/04

You're refering to trademarks IT_User | 06/12/04

Extension richhayes | 06/12/04

No, you're correct IT_User | 06/12/04

Thanks richhayes | 06/13/04

From what I read on the net voska | 06/14/04

and that is the sad part itsn't it? ryusen | 06/14/04

Thanks for the information bidemytime | 06/14/04

This is NOT a make or break issue for Linux George Mitchell | 06/11/04

You are being very short sighted. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

I don't think MS will be so short sighted... Michael Kelly | 06/12/04

Why I disagree... No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

But underlying it all IT_User | 06/12/04

Doesn't matter, time is the enemy. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

I suppose they can sue IT_User | 06/13/04

re: IT User ryusen | 06/14/04

Inventive step (obviousness) invalidation Anton Philidor | 06/14/04

Are you trying to bait me? George Mitchell | 06/12/04

Not a bit, I agree with you. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

I wouldn't use Samba then voska | 06/14/04

I don't expect WinFS to be different from NTFS. doe_z | 06/12/04

I don't think you understand WinFS. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

Doesn't have to be open source. doe_z | 06/13/04

You should read a little more on what WinFS is! B.O.F.H. | 06/13/04

I don't see that as problem voska | 06/14/04

Yes, but I need it to share files with Windows users via USB flash. DonnieBoy | 06/12/04

Okay, but IT_User | 06/12/04

Yes, but people come to my office with a file on a NTFS flash memory stick DonnieBoy | 06/12/04

has ms ever abused it's fat patent? V Sanders | 06/13/04

Maybe confused IT_User | 06/14/04

I don't see the open office problem voska | 06/14/04

exactly NemesisNL | 06/12/04

License richhayes | 06/12/04

Spot on. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

Two points IT_User | 06/12/04

Microsoft property richhayes | 06/13/04

Not so small population FirstNLastN | 06/13/04

License richhayes | 06/14/04

everyone is affected by restrictions, although only a few hit them oldskool | 06/14/04

Important, not necessarily vulnerable Anton Philidor | 06/14/04

Don't get me wrong ... George Mitchell | 06/12/04

Shutting down Linux Anton Philidor | 06/14/04

Dream on Anton! George Mitchell | 06/14/04

Guess who has the patents? George Mitchell | 06/14/04

The possible and the real Anton Philidor | 06/14/04

Use Open Source instead of Microsoft voska | 06/14/04

Microsoft file patent faces exam Ghost_Rider116@... | 06/12/04

Because open source didn't need it before. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

It's not about "open source" IT_User | 06/12/04

But this will unravel the proprietaries, not open source.. Jeff Spicoli | 06/12/04

Naw, can you say cross license? No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

haha V Sanders | 06/13/04

Or ignore it altogether IT_User | 06/13/04

if FAT and double-click are MS's strongest IP then OSS is laughing! oldskool | 06/14/04

FAT and SAMBA... swoopee | 06/12/04

Don't know about that IT_User | 06/12/04

So? Michael Kelly | 06/12/04

Oh yeah, you're right IT_User | 06/12/04

Hmmm, how does Samba serve a Windows file? No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

What exactly is a "Windows FAT based file"? Michael Kelly | 06/12/04

True, only if it's html. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

I presume that you are trying to be funny! B.O.F.H. | 06/12/04

WebDAV (or WebFolders as MS calls it) makes web based fileserver oldskool | 06/14/04

Samba inmplements the SMB protocol. B.O.F.H. | 06/12/04

FAT is a physical device related data structure, not a wire protocol oldskool | 06/14/04

FAT and SAMBA not the same voska | 06/14/04

SaMBa and FAT are unrelated. B.O.F.H. | 06/13/04

SAMBA's SMB/CIFS is public ... MS can't lock out its use oldskool | 06/14/04

Ironic about the Patent Office IT_User | 06/12/04

One easy way around this even if the patent is upheld Michael Kelly | 06/12/04

Exactly, the downside to protectionism is irrelevance oldskool | 06/14/04

I knew there was a solution voska | 06/14/04

Just like the Eolas crap, all patents need better review FilledOut | 06/12/04

And so it begins... the long road ahead. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

It's a long road for everyone... tic swayback | 06/12/04

I agree completely. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

You can't fight this one "tooth and nail" IT_User | 06/12/04

Delays, delays, delays. Michael Kelly | 06/13/04

And after the delay, we go to court. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

Do the people doing the review... No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

This is counter to Microsoft's principles IT_User | 06/13/04

I just tossed a bone out to see who would grab it. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

You got me, but IT_User | 06/13/04

Even MS has limits (not financial) as to the amount of jhustice it can buy! oldskool | 06/14/04

Sue over a denied patent? IT_User | 06/14/04

Linux will smash through this like it is not even there! Jeff Spicoli | 06/12/04

Cute rant, but far from accurate. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

Plus richhayes | 06/12/04

You're assuming IT_User | 06/12/04

. Jeff Spicoli | 06/12/04

Question richhayes | 06/13/04

legal and enforcable are different issues, burden on patent holder! oldskool | 06/14/04

Sound like you're confusing issues IT_User | 06/14/04

patent rights are lost all the time oldskool | 06/14/04

Are you saying dual boot FAT is licensed? oldskool | 06/14/04

This has nothing to do with Linux voska | 06/14/04

well said ryusen | 06/14/04

Microsoft suck ! judgesinel@... | 06/12/04

What a well thought out and articulated post. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/04

And.. Jeff Spicoli | 06/12/04

Don't worry, the smarter folks got it. No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/04

That sounds a lot like LinuxLover74. Linux_Developer | 06/15/04

FAT is pattented? michael-t | 06/12/04

Yes, sat that the patent office lets things like this through. DonnieBoy | 06/12/04

Dang, and I wanted to buy that patent FilledOut | 06/13/04

ms has moved on to V Sanders | 06/13/04

Microsoft Patents flbas | 06/14/04

DMCA flbas | 06/14/04

Not quite right voska | 06/14/04

"file system innovation " BitTwiddler | 06/14/04

Why Microsoft Will Win In The End RobertoSalazar | 06/14/04

I don't know about that Unicornrider | 06/14/04

Wasn't Mickey covered undr Copyright law, not Patent law oldskool | 06/14/04

Technically no but voska | 06/14/04

my understanding is the code is Copyright, the design is PAtent oldskool | 06/16/04

Scandalous, and outraging PhilippeV | 10/07/05

What do you think?

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