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---1. The Linux desktop has failed to gain any real traction
compared to MS Windows. Users have simply said thanks but
no---

I think this is an overstatement. How many MS users are even
aware of the Linux desktop as an option? How can they say
"thanks but no" without even knowing it exists. Keep in mind
that most computer users use phrases like "I just got an internet
for my computer".

---2. Linux is a knock off of UNIX---

Well, it's based on UNIX. Is Apple's OSX a knock off of Unix as
well? Is Windows 95 a knock off of DOS? Is Windows XP a knock
off of NT? Where is the line drawn between being derivative and
being a knock off (which is, by the way, a pejorative term)

---(It's up in the air if there was any direct copying.)---

Still clinging to this old chestnut? Has there been any evidence
whatsoever that this is the case? Are there even any charges of
this still in the court case SCO is currently trying to push? I
guess it's still up in the air, but then again, it's still up in the air
whether monkeys are going to fly out of my butt this afternoon
as well.

---3. Anything MS does, Linux (open source) follows right
behind trying to duplicate it. (Mono as an example)---

Is this really a negative. MS dominates the computer world. Any
other OS has to react to them, and has to make their products
interact with them. Would it be considered bashing if I point out
that anything Apple does, Microsoft follows right behind trying
to duplicate it (usually 3-4 years later and in a much more
clumsy manner)?

---5. Open source for the most part is ignoring the "patent"
threat and it will eventually bite them in the backside. (Even
Perens agrees but the zealots here refuse to hear it.)---

I don't think anyone is "ignoring" it (Perens article is pretty clear
evidence that people are aware of it). The question of how much
of a hindrance it will be is an open one, and it's an issue that
affects proprietary software as well (just ask Eolas).
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I declare Sonic Jihad on you.  nucrash | 06/11/04
No it isn't free.  issthatso | 06/11/04
Hacked more  Test Subject | 06/11/04
re: Hacked more  dwest_z | 06/14/04
No it isn't free  nitroburn | 06/12/04
FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!  red02 | 06/14/04
Hmmmm? You have a company that wants you to buy their  Laff | 06/11/04
Good to see MS joining in myth-busting  IT_User | 06/11/04
Merrill Lynch case is interesting.  Anton Philidor | 06/11/04
Please explain  IT_User | 06/11/04
What is the problem with outsourcing?  Anton Philidor | 06/11/04
I see your point  IT_User | 06/11/04
Different perspectives  IT_User | 06/12/04
He never visited this forum.  ShadeTree | 06/11/04
Hey, Novel is just trying to be civil to Microsoft.  DonnieBoy | 06/11/04
And the Microsoft supporters are all about bashing Linux!  Linux_Developer | 06/11/04
true enough  zijiang | 06/11/04
Not exactly a balance  ShadeTree | 06/11/04
Sort of. But it's still a balance.  Linux_Developer | 06/11/04
Dead wrong and you know it!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
Didn't we already have this conversation?  tic swayback | 06/11/04
Speaking with real facts is not bashing...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
Depends on what your definition of "is" is  tic swayback | 06/11/04
Said the man with rose colored glasses...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
Fire Away  tic swayback | 06/11/04
Thanks for the chuckle...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
Language  tic swayback | 06/11/04
Language? You said to pick your words carefully.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
Indeed I did  tic swayback | 06/11/04
Detractor vs. basher  Michael Kelly | 06/11/04
Partially right...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
I agree with a lot of what you're saying...  Michael Kelly | 06/11/04
Ah, I didn't say "good" or "bad". Just truth.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
How about a little honest disclosure, No Ax?  tic swayback | 06/11/04
What is there to disclose tic.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
Just your bias  tic swayback | 06/11/04
Big problem with that tic... I bought Red Hat stock too.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
Thanks for the further disclosure  tic swayback | 06/11/04
So if I own stock in both, what is my bias?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
You tell me....  tic swayback | 06/11/04
My "bias" is for the one that works for me. Investments or not.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
What about non-technical issues?  tic swayback | 06/12/04
Actually  Mike Hunt | 06/11/04
I think you are right. Anything positive about MS sets them off.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
Tone  tic swayback | 06/11/04
Ah come on tic...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
Two wrongs don't make a right  tic swayback | 06/11/04
Not really...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
Perhaps  tic swayback | 06/11/04
counterpoint  tic swayback | 06/11/04
Same responce. I didn't say they are good or bad, just true.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
But factually incorrect  tic swayback | 06/11/04
Nothing to debate tic, I'm WRIGHT.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
Avoiding the issue  tic swayback | 06/11/04
No_Ax the simplistic BS master  Richard Flude | 06/13/04
(NT) I think he was referring to Loverock :o)  Jack-Booted EULA | 06/11/04
I'm sure he knows  zijiang | 06/11/04
Actually...  Linux_Developer | 06/11/04
and...  ryusen | 06/14/04
also remmeber this:  ryusen | 06/14/04
Roadshow is more marketing  crocd | 06/11/04
Jihad huh?  LongShipUser | 06/11/04
Propaganda  Michael Kelly | 06/11/04
I absolutely, totally, utterly, agree.  Linux_Developer | 06/11/04
Yes, but the public suffers  daver_z | 06/13/04
What a bunch of idiots, more free publicity for Linux.  DonnieBoy | 06/11/04
Microsoft is countering "myths" with propaganda  Linux_Developer | 06/11/04
They're brainwashing, and that can't be denied.  daver_z | 06/13/04
OS war for next 2 -3 years  crocd | 06/11/04
Not just SUSE  daver_z | 06/13/04
Microsoft goes on a 'myth-busting tour'  Loverock Davidson | 06/11/04
"MS isn't perfect"? Sounds like you're not a Microsoft supporter!  Linux_Developer | 06/11/04
Naw...  Linux User 147560 | 06/11/04
Yabbut.  Linux_Developer | 06/11/04
very rare that he's funny, refer to this link for proof  Monkey_MCSE | 06/11/04
The evil empire  Michael Kelly | 06/11/04
Microsoft taking a stand?  NemesisNL | 06/11/04
You don't know microsoft  takeda | 06/11/04
Ignore this guy  Expatriate US Geek | 06/11/04
Always the intellectual eh Taco:)  Laff | 06/11/04
Only Linux Users Sue  chrislovesdana | 06/11/04
Very good. Now support your arguement.  Michael Kelly | 06/11/04
And this is front page news?  tic swayback | 06/11/04
Nice to see Microsoft spending their cash on promoting Linux  whisperycat | 06/11/04
Old article stands re-reading  whisperycat | 06/11/04
90% Install Base Baby. Resistance Is Futile.  chrislovesdana | 06/11/04
Wintel was cheaper  voska | 06/11/04
Some stats from web servers  takeda | 06/11/04
Comical insistence on MS popularity numbers and TCO...  MacCanuck | 06/11/04
re: 90% Install Base Baby. Resistance Is Futile.  Iain_Peters | 06/11/04
Funny little details of that 90%  LazLong | 06/11/04
You also have to consider this.  Rick_K | 06/12/04
Of course I know about the double billing....  LazLong | 06/12/04
Some schools did...  Rick_K | 06/12/04
Thousands of dollars???  CobraA1 | 06/12/04
The FACTS are Microsoft has DEFRAUDED ALL CONSUMERS !!!  realitycheck101 | 06/11/04
Uh huh, and it's going to rain pizza's real soon too.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/04
Yummy! Pizza ..... Me like:)  Laff | 06/11/04
With Anchovies, please!?  Confused by religion | 06/11/04
......omania  pj-xmesh | 06/11/04
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...  dicktaurus@... | 06/11/04
,,,,, "- - and everyone lived happily ever after!" ,,,,  Oat Mea1 | 06/12/04
I don't hate microsoft  nitroburn | 06/12/04
And Linus Torvaldis is Hitler?  daver_z | 06/13/04
www.sorrybill.com  daver_z | 06/13/04
who told you that  karujenka | 10/07/05
linux-mac-windows  karujenka | 01/22/06

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