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If you own the CD....
... then there is no problem.

However, how can it be ethically or legally correct to distribute it to tens of thousands of people who don't own it?

And again I'll ask - if it's ok to do that for music, why can't I do it for software and books as well?
Posted by: JustMe99_z   Posted on: 05/26/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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Whoa! This is serious stuff!  DarbyOhara | 05/26/04
Why...  JustMe99_z | 05/26/04
Because I already bought the CD  voska | 05/26/04
So your argument is....  JustMe99_z | 05/26/04
Pretty much, sure  MEMSmaker | 05/26/04
Are you....  DarbyOhara | 05/26/04
no, but  MEMSmaker | 05/26/04
Actually it's the RIAA who's doing the stealing...  WhoIsDaMan | 05/26/04
Interesting  JustMe99_z | 05/26/04
re: interesting  ryusen | 05/26/04
re: interesting  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Another theft example by the RIAA  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
NO, I how do I steal what I own???  voska | 05/26/04
So what about books, magazines, and software?  JustMe99_z | 05/26/04
Not belief I do own, it's law  voska | 05/26/04
I copy things out of books and magazines all the time  tic swayback | 05/26/04
there's that word gain...  ryusen | 05/26/04
It's not stealing  tic swayback | 05/26/04
What percentage?  rapson | 05/26/04
but...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Everyone I know who swaps files buys CDs  voska | 05/26/04
what perecentage  TokyoPete | 05/28/04
Profits to go even higher  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Actually...  DarbyOhara | 05/26/04
Putting words into my mouth...  JustMe99_z | 05/26/04
You put your foot in your mouth!  DarbyOhara | 05/26/04
Software...  JustMe99_z | 05/26/04
you've been polite?  ryusen | 05/26/04
Actually..  Patrick Jones | 05/26/04
If you own the CD....  JustMe99_z | 05/26/04
Re-read the original post  Patrick Jones | 05/26/04
putting words in my mouth  TokyoPete | 05/28/04
Actually...giving away IS legal!  becksdark | 05/28/04
You bring up an interesting point...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Legality  Letophoro | 05/26/04
re: legality  ryusen | 05/26/04
legality  TokyoPete | 05/28/04
giving and recieveing  ryusen | 05/28/04
Reading the draft  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
learn the laws...  ryusen | 05/26/04
people like p2p to much to give it up...  cybershoplifter | 05/26/04
That's not a good argument  rapson | 05/26/04
it worked for alcohol...  ryusen | 05/26/04
I'd be careful with that one too  rapson | 05/26/04
my argument isn't quite that...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Too true  rapson | 05/26/04
my answer:  ryusen | 05/26/04
To answer Carl  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
To TechDiva  rapson | 05/27/04
Back at ya, Carl  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
re: Carl  ryusen | 05/27/04
An Argument it was not...  cybershoplifter | 05/26/04
Let the RIAA clean up their own mess.  Patrick Jones | 05/26/04
Lets take a vote, I vote no  Arrg | 05/26/04
Re: Lets take a vote, I vote no  issthatso | 05/26/04
Then send a message!  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
morals?  lotta_anger | 05/26/04
Kindof a Hypocrite if you ask me  nucrash | 05/26/04
potheads are criminals?  DarbyOhara | 05/26/04
When did America become a socialist society?  dj_45_cal | 05/26/04
I would call it socialist  voska | 05/26/04
Agreed  dj_45_cal | 05/26/04
the only reason they are trying to stop p2p  ryusen | 05/26/04
how about HONESTY?  ryusen | 05/26/04
Not really...  dj_45_cal | 05/26/04
yes.. you could argue  ryusen | 05/26/04
Going up sad  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Some points...  John L. Ries | 05/26/04
Government Moral Authority  Bill4 | 05/26/04
Orrin Hatch and the RIAA  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Lets just ALL go to jail and be done with it...  BitTwiddler | 05/26/04
It wasn't that long ago....  DarbyOhara | 05/26/04
Wrong...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Not wrong...  DarbyOhara | 05/26/04
You brought up the Civil War...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Lobbying 101  Jeff Spicoli | 05/26/04
I stand corrected...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
the masses  ryusen | 05/26/04
So where does the constitution say.......  middle of nowhere | 05/26/04
Read Jeff Spicoli's post  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Wrong...  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
Do you vote?  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
the problem...  ryusen | 05/26/04
The Solution???  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
my solution...  ryusen | 05/26/04
ZZ, are you suggesting "Campaign Finance Reform"?  Spoon Jabber | 05/27/04
re: Spoon  ryusen | 05/27/04
ZZ, I see the glass as half full  Spoon Jabber | 05/28/04
re: ranting  ryusen | 05/28/04
Just a minute ZZ  Spoon Jabber | 05/28/04
Right  debonair | 05/26/04
Lobbying.....  middle of nowhere | 05/26/04
Good Idea:  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Does not work.  bhanes@... | 05/26/04
Re: Lobbying  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
Clarification  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
Vote  Chad_z | 05/26/04
I agree  jdunn_z | 05/26/04
I agree  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
Vote  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
Take it further  Pinkerton | 05/26/04
Take it further  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
Aye  Pinkerton | 05/26/04
get rid of them...  ryusen | 05/26/04
I agree, but  Update victim | 05/26/04
Land of the Free  klmmicro | 05/26/04
Land of the Free  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
What is your solution  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
I don't have one, just a plan b.  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
In other words...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
No, in my exact words  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
I agreed with you until ...  vince7 | 05/29/04
Investigate the Senate  Tim Patterson | 05/26/04
Could we apply "Conflict of Interest Laws" ? (NT)  Update victim | 05/26/04
Anybody else find it funny...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
No one laughed...  StorageGuru | 05/26/04
I wasn't laughing then either  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Ah, the Pirates don't like enforcement of copyright law !  realitycheck101 | 05/26/04
Wrong Argument...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Hey blind sheep  James T. Kirk | 05/26/04
Justice ONLY for the rich!  George Mitchell | 05/26/04
Justice ONLY for the rich!  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
blah blah blah, PIRACY ROCKS  cybershoplifter | 05/26/04
Amen, Brother!  Stewart Cannon | 05/26/04
what abotu the crooks who've...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Defending the property rights...  Stewart Cannon | 05/26/04
defending consumer rights...  ryusen | 05/26/04
If you can answer yes to any of the following, you're guilty, too:  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Depends on what you call "property"  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
And who will pay for that, pray tell?  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
it isn't just about ...  vince7 | 05/29/04
Read the Constitution  Update victim | 05/26/04
Bravo!  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Interesting perspective...  Stewart Cannon | 05/26/04
The law isn't enforceable  amicus_curious | 05/26/04
I am not a pirate and i do not like it either  V Sanders | 05/26/04
Just remember your little rant...  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Let's just vote this clown administration out!  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/26/04
Bush is not the one behind this...  techboy_z | 05/26/04
Bush bad but this ain't his bag  cybershoplifter | 05/26/04
Justice Dept = Ashcroft = Bush  r7di697 | 05/26/04
Actually  vferrara | 05/26/04
Absolutely!  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
wager?  vince7 | 05/29/04
but Ashcroft is...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Thank You So Much  Proxima | 05/26/04
Not doing well????  voska | 05/26/04
My Point Exactly  Proxima | 05/26/04
let me get this straight...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Let Me Put This Straight  Proxima | 05/27/04
re:  ryusen | 05/27/04
Time for the definitions again:  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
I concur  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
you are welcome  vince7 | 05/29/04
I've stopped buying new music  Protector | 05/26/04
This is futile for the RIAA  chrislovesdana | 05/26/04
Because of the pot laws I can't buy it anymore!  cybershoplifter | 05/26/04
ROLF!!!!!!!  Nullifidian | 05/26/04
ROLF!!!!!!! ?  Anton Philidor | 05/26/04
That's because they are working the money thing  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
"Proportionality"  Anton Philidor | 05/26/04
Proportionality fits, should have been applied here, too  Update victim | 05/26/04
A local issue  amicus_curious | 05/26/04
Absent a criminal conviction  amicus_curious | 05/26/04
This isn't an RIAA action ...  Anton Philidor | 05/26/04
For or against, write  potomac79 | 05/26/04
Sure, put it under citizen review board  FilledOut | 05/26/04
A Government of Thugs  r7di697 | 05/26/04
And why does this surprise anyone?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
A stretch of the truth  amicus_curious | 05/26/04
So your excuse is...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Not really  voska | 05/26/04
One is legal, one isn't...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Huh?  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Technically it always has been  voska | 05/26/04
Did I not just say that  voska | 05/26/04
legality again...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Not really ZZ  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
if that's the case...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Not at all...  John L. Ries | 05/26/04
Not an excuse  amicus_curious | 05/26/04
But a 44-cent candy bar will not land you in prison  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
It just doens't make sense  voska | 05/26/04
Your reasoning is still a self centered excuse.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
How's that an excuse  voska | 05/26/04
Amen  JAS2803 | 05/26/04
You use it to justify your actions.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
our actions need justification?  ryusen | 05/26/04
Non swaper ...  vince7 | 05/29/04
Technically  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
so that's your excuse...  ryusen | 05/26/04
question  vince7 | 05/29/04
Not sure who you are  JAS2803 | 05/26/04
Just an honest guy stating an opinion. Who or what are you?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Apples and oranges again, Ax  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Good Idea, bad Law  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Not true really...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
But...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
And that is what is being changed isn't it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
The difference...  John L. Ries | 05/26/04
Wrong...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
It's because you don't own the land  voska | 05/26/04
Of course I own the land.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Did God deed it to you?  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
No, you don't!  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
he might  vince7 | 05/29/04
No surprises here  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
Laws and punishment are a deterent.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Unenforced laws are not a deterrent  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Re-read the article...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Existing laws are fine, just enforce them  tic swayback | 05/26/04
And here I thought you were against criminalizing children. Go figure...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
I am, so no more legislation  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Reread it yourself!  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Laws and punishment are a deterent.  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
Apples and Oranges....  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Laughably wrong  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Get real  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
I know of no law that actually deters people  voska | 05/26/04
There are always a few idiots...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Circular argument  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
You are a total .....  JAS2803 | 05/26/04
And that make you a what?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Congress' ears  tic swayback | 05/26/04
The death penalty is supposed to be a deterrent  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Two things surprise me here  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Books..  Patrick Jones | 05/26/04
Never a borrower or a lender be  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Not surprised but angry  Patrick Jones | 05/26/04
The punishment should fit the crime  Michael Kelly | 05/26/04
Your part of the elephant  Anton Philidor | 05/26/04
I see where you went wrong...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Rights and wrongs  Anton Philidor | 05/26/04
Thank you for agreeing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
But  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Wadda ya mean "finally"?!  Anton Philidor | 05/27/04
But there are consequences  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
Well funded hogs  tic swayback | 05/26/04
of course it's not perfect...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Oh, the poor millionaire artist argument...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
how many millionare have no money?  ryusen | 05/26/04
Just recently  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
They can't be millionaires because the RIAA doesn't pay them  tic swayback | 05/26/04
They aren't the owner though  voska | 05/26/04
No one stops you as the owner...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
how can he?  ryusen | 05/26/04
If this law gets through  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
actually, swapping is legal, as long as you really swap!  oldskool | 05/26/04
Definition of "swap"  Anton Philidor | 05/27/04
another legal way is giving...  ryusen | 05/27/04
Nothing like good old contradiction in terms, eh?  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
A question  John L. Ries | 05/26/04
An answer...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
paying for it...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Re: An answer...  none none | 05/26/04
No, the law is intended to hurt more people more viciously.  Anton Philidor | 05/27/04
A rebuttal  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
A rebuttal  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
PU-LEEZE!!!  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Please don't weaken your argument.  Anton Philidor | 05/27/04
Re: weakening of arguments  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
told who so?  ryusen | 05/26/04
I'm sure they can find a way to tie it to terrorism if they tried... N/T  TheWerewolf | 05/26/04
Trailer Park Conversation  r7di697 | 05/26/04
WTF!?!?  ryusen | 05/26/04
I wonder what would happen......  middle of nowhere | 05/26/04
You don't want to know  amicus_curious | 05/26/04
Except it would the Gov in contempt  voska | 05/26/04
I really do......  middle of nowhere | 05/26/04
How do you look wearing a hood?  r7di697 | 05/26/04
Umm  rapson | 05/26/04
Actually it's the RIAA who's doing the stealing...  WhoIsDaMan | 05/26/04
RIAA Steals $50 Million from Artists  tic swayback | 05/26/04
And they are LIARS too!  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Still no response to this No Ax?  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Still hiding from the truth No Ax?  tic swayback | 05/26/04
file sharing is a general term  blahblahblah | 05/27/04
Different types of content  tic swayback | 05/27/04
But the law WILL end up covering software and other media  AbsolutelyNot | 05/28/04
Is not  JAS2803 | 05/26/04
just music?  blahblahblah | 05/27/04
I'll bite  tic swayback | 05/27/04
Not a bit!  AbsolutelyNot | 05/28/04
pirate act ? how about anti-expensive product act?  M_c | 05/26/04
Good for you  JAS2803 | 05/26/04
Copyright Enforcement  John L. Ries | 05/26/04
Property is the only rationale that matters any more  WhoIsDaMan | 05/26/04
Oh  JAS2803 | 05/26/04
yeah but  blahblahblah | 05/27/04
Even if you don't know how to use a computer, you are not immune!  B.O.F.H. | 05/26/04
Better yet  tic swayback | 05/26/04
hmm  blahblahblah | 05/27/04
Never said I actually do this  tic swayback | 05/27/04
Let the swapping continue  JAS2803 | 05/26/04
Let the jail terms begin....  Stewart Cannon | 05/26/04
why that makes perfect sense to me...  ryusen | 05/26/04
the details will screw it up  blahblahblah | 05/27/04
downloading and the disease factor  blahblahblah | 05/27/04
Not a disease to like music  AbsolutelyNot | 05/28/04
Boycott the recording industry  Uncoveror | 05/26/04
Ultimately, less respect for "Intellectual Property" Law...  Root User | 05/26/04
Why is US Givernment funding DRM tech and Police?  oldskool | 05/26/04
Quick thoughts from cubicle hell  none none | 05/26/04
Privacy Law = = Copyright Law  ParadigmOdyssey | 05/26/04
start saving those receipts  V Sanders | 05/26/04
software should be sold on CHIPS  V Sanders | 05/26/04
Stop this Madness, and Deal with REAL ISSUES!!  brian2868 | 05/26/04
Hear! Hear! (NT)  WhoIsDaMan | 05/27/04
THIS is piracy!!!  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Your So Right TechDiva  brian2868 | 05/27/04
Next will be mandatory licensing of individuals  FilledOut | 05/27/04
now let's here from a REAL "pirate".  ima big pirate | 05/27/04
Rationalization  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
I think you're missing his point  WhoIsDaMan | 05/27/04
Cost/Benefit  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
Yes, but...  WhoIsDaMan | 05/27/04
harm vs cost/benifit  ryusen | 05/28/04
how much money, resource, restriction of your rights to STOP me??  ima big pirate | 05/27/04
... and one more thing.....  ima big pirate | 05/27/04
impractical  ryusen | 05/28/04
George, Your so Right  brian2868 | 05/27/04
i agree ...  vince7 | 05/29/04
Hypocrits  shraven | 05/28/04
Sink the Pirate act--Protest online at EFF  bill55gates | 05/28/04
Did you get a check?  AbsolutelyNot | 05/28/04
the reward was downright stupid  ryusen | 05/28/04
DUH! Don't Vote for Conservatives!!  mkabru | 05/30/04
the stupidity of it all...  ryusen | 06/01/04
None of this stuff will work anyway. It crosses national borders.  GreatInca | 11/23/04

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