'Pirate Act' raises civil rights concerns

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Putting words into my mouth...: I never said I was a "perfect citizen".

You said: "If I purchase something, it should be my RIGHT to do as I wish with it as long as doesn't cross the law. Since file sharing is against the law, it should be handled in a civil way"

Does this "RIGHT" include the "RIGHT" to give the materials away to others, who then end up not purchasing the material? Is it ok to do this for software as well - copy something you've purchased for anyone that wants it? What about books? Why not just scan a bunch of books and put them out on a website... by your logic, thats ok too, right?; Posted by: JustMe99_z Posted on: 05/26/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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Whoa! This is serious stuff! DarbyOhara | 05/26/04

Why... JustMe99_z | 05/26/04

Because I already bought the CD voska | 05/26/04

So your argument is.... JustMe99_z | 05/26/04

Pretty much, sure MEMSmaker | 05/26/04

Are you.... DarbyOhara | 05/26/04

no, but MEMSmaker | 05/26/04

Actually it's the RIAA who's doing the stealing... WhoIsDaMan | 05/26/04

Interesting JustMe99_z | 05/26/04

re: interesting ryusen | 05/26/04

re: interesting tic swayback | 05/26/04

Another theft example by the RIAA AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

NO, I how do I steal what I own??? voska | 05/26/04

So what about books, magazines, and software? JustMe99_z | 05/26/04

Not belief I do own, it's law voska | 05/26/04

I copy things out of books and magazines all the time tic swayback | 05/26/04

there's that word gain... ryusen | 05/26/04

It's not stealing tic swayback | 05/26/04

What percentage? rapson | 05/26/04

but... ryusen | 05/26/04

Everyone I know who swaps files buys CDs voska | 05/26/04

what perecentage TokyoPete | 05/28/04

Profits to go even higher AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

Actually... DarbyOhara | 05/26/04

Putting words into my mouth... JustMe99_z | 05/26/04

You put your foot in your mouth! DarbyOhara | 05/26/04

Software... JustMe99_z | 05/26/04

you've been polite? ryusen | 05/26/04

Actually.. Patrick Jones | 05/26/04

If you own the CD.... JustMe99_z | 05/26/04

Re-read the original post Patrick Jones | 05/26/04

putting words in my mouth TokyoPete | 05/28/04

Actually...giving away IS legal! becksdark | 05/28/04

You bring up an interesting point... LongShipUser | 05/26/04

Legality Letophoro | 05/26/04

re: legality ryusen | 05/26/04

legality TokyoPete | 05/28/04

giving and recieveing ryusen | 05/28/04

Reading the draft AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

learn the laws... ryusen | 05/26/04

people like p2p to much to give it up... cybershoplifter | 05/26/04

That's not a good argument rapson | 05/26/04

it worked for alcohol... ryusen | 05/26/04

I'd be careful with that one too rapson | 05/26/04

my argument isn't quite that... ryusen | 05/26/04

Too true rapson | 05/26/04

my answer: ryusen | 05/26/04

To answer Carl AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

To TechDiva rapson | 05/27/04

Back at ya, Carl AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

re: Carl ryusen | 05/27/04

An Argument it was not... cybershoplifter | 05/26/04

Let the RIAA clean up their own mess. Patrick Jones | 05/26/04

Lets take a vote, I vote no Arrg | 05/26/04

Re: Lets take a vote, I vote no issthatso | 05/26/04

Then send a message! AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

morals? lotta_anger | 05/26/04

Kindof a Hypocrite if you ask me nucrash | 05/26/04

potheads are criminals? DarbyOhara | 05/26/04

When did America become a socialist society? dj_45_cal | 05/26/04

I would call it socialist voska | 05/26/04

Agreed dj_45_cal | 05/26/04

the only reason they are trying to stop p2p ryusen | 05/26/04

how about HONESTY? ryusen | 05/26/04

Not really... dj_45_cal | 05/26/04

yes.. you could argue ryusen | 05/26/04

Going up

AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

Some points... John L. Ries | 05/26/04

Government Moral Authority Bill4 | 05/26/04

Orrin Hatch and the RIAA AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

Lets just ALL go to jail and be done with it... BitTwiddler | 05/26/04

It wasn't that long ago.... DarbyOhara | 05/26/04

Wrong... LongShipUser | 05/26/04

Not wrong... DarbyOhara | 05/26/04

You brought up the Civil War... LongShipUser | 05/26/04

Lobbying 101 Jeff Spicoli | 05/26/04

I stand corrected... LongShipUser | 05/26/04

the masses ryusen | 05/26/04

So where does the constitution say....... middle of nowhere | 05/26/04

Read Jeff Spicoli's post LongShipUser | 05/26/04

Wrong... seosamh_z | 05/26/04

Do you vote? LongShipUser | 05/26/04

the problem... ryusen | 05/26/04

The Solution??? LongShipUser | 05/26/04

my solution... ryusen | 05/26/04

ZZ, are you suggesting "Campaign Finance Reform"? Spoon Jabber | 05/27/04

re: Spoon ryusen | 05/27/04

ZZ, I see the glass as half full Spoon Jabber | 05/28/04

re: ranting ryusen | 05/28/04

Just a minute ZZ Spoon Jabber | 05/28/04

Right debonair | 05/26/04

Lobbying..... middle of nowhere | 05/26/04

Good Idea: LongShipUser | 05/26/04

Does not work. bhanes@... | 05/26/04

Re: Lobbying John L. Ries | 05/27/04

Clarification John L. Ries | 05/27/04

Vote Chad_z | 05/26/04

I agree jdunn_z | 05/26/04

I agree seosamh_z | 05/26/04

Vote seosamh_z | 05/26/04

Take it further Pinkerton | 05/26/04

Take it further seosamh_z | 05/26/04

Aye Pinkerton | 05/26/04

get rid of them... ryusen | 05/26/04

I agree, but Update victim | 05/26/04

Land of the Free klmmicro | 05/26/04

Land of the Free seosamh_z | 05/26/04

What is your solution LongShipUser | 05/26/04

I don't have one, just a plan b. seosamh_z | 05/26/04

In other words... LongShipUser | 05/26/04

No, in my exact words seosamh_z | 05/26/04

I agreed with you until ... vince7 | 05/29/04

Investigate the Senate Tim Patterson | 05/26/04

Could we apply "Conflict of Interest Laws" ? (NT) Update victim | 05/26/04

Anybody else find it funny... LongShipUser | 05/26/04

No one laughed... StorageGuru | 05/26/04

I wasn't laughing then either LongShipUser | 05/26/04

Ah, the Pirates don't like enforcement of copyright law ! realitycheck101 | 05/26/04

Wrong Argument... LongShipUser | 05/26/04

Hey blind sheep James T. Kirk | 05/26/04

Justice ONLY for the rich! George Mitchell | 05/26/04

Justice ONLY for the rich! seosamh_z | 05/26/04

blah blah blah, PIRACY ROCKS cybershoplifter | 05/26/04

Amen, Brother! Stewart Cannon | 05/26/04

what abotu the crooks who've... ryusen | 05/26/04

Defending the property rights... Stewart Cannon | 05/26/04

defending consumer rights... ryusen | 05/26/04

If you can answer yes to any of the following, you're guilty, too: AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

Depends on what you call "property" John L. Ries | 05/27/04

And who will pay for that, pray tell? AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

it isn't just about ... vince7 | 05/29/04

Read the Constitution Update victim | 05/26/04

Bravo! LongShipUser | 05/26/04

Interesting perspective... Stewart Cannon | 05/26/04

The law isn't enforceable amicus_curious | 05/26/04

I am not a pirate and i do not like it either V Sanders | 05/26/04

Just remember your little rant... AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

Let's just vote this clown administration out! Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/26/04

Bush is not the one behind this... techboy_z | 05/26/04

Bush bad but this ain't his bag cybershoplifter | 05/26/04

Justice Dept = Ashcroft = Bush r7di697 | 05/26/04

Actually vferrara | 05/26/04

Absolutely! AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

wager? vince7 | 05/29/04

but Ashcroft is... ryusen | 05/26/04

Thank You So Much Proxima | 05/26/04

Not doing well???? voska | 05/26/04

My Point Exactly Proxima | 05/26/04

let me get this straight... ryusen | 05/26/04

Let Me Put This Straight Proxima | 05/27/04

re: ryusen | 05/27/04

Time for the definitions again: AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

I concur John L. Ries | 05/27/04

you are welcome vince7 | 05/29/04

I've stopped buying new music Protector | 05/26/04

This is futile for the RIAA chrislovesdana | 05/26/04

Because of the pot laws I can't buy it anymore! cybershoplifter | 05/26/04

ROLF!!!!!!! Nullifidian | 05/26/04

ROLF!!!!!!! ? Anton Philidor | 05/26/04

That's because they are working the money thing AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

"Proportionality" Anton Philidor | 05/26/04

Proportionality fits, should have been applied here, too Update victim | 05/26/04

A local issue amicus_curious | 05/26/04

Absent a criminal conviction amicus_curious | 05/26/04

This isn't an RIAA action ... Anton Philidor | 05/26/04

For or against, write potomac79 | 05/26/04

Sure, put it under citizen review board FilledOut | 05/26/04

A Government of Thugs r7di697 | 05/26/04

And why does this surprise anyone? No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

A stretch of the truth amicus_curious | 05/26/04

So your excuse is... No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

Not really voska | 05/26/04

One is legal, one isn't... No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

Huh? tic swayback | 05/26/04

Technically it always has been voska | 05/26/04

Did I not just say that voska | 05/26/04

legality again... ryusen | 05/26/04

Not really ZZ No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

if that's the case... ryusen | 05/26/04

Not at all... John L. Ries | 05/26/04

Not an excuse amicus_curious | 05/26/04

But a 44-cent candy bar will not land you in prison AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

It just doens't make sense voska | 05/26/04

Your reasoning is still a self centered excuse. No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

How's that an excuse voska | 05/26/04

Amen JAS2803 | 05/26/04

You use it to justify your actions. No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

our actions need justification? ryusen | 05/26/04

Non swaper ... vince7 | 05/29/04

Technically AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

so that's your excuse... ryusen | 05/26/04

question vince7 | 05/29/04

Not sure who you are JAS2803 | 05/26/04

Just an honest guy stating an opinion. Who or what are you? No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

Apples and oranges again, Ax AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

Good Idea, bad Law LongShipUser | 05/26/04

Not true really... No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

But... LongShipUser | 05/26/04

And that is what is being changed isn't it? No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

The difference... John L. Ries | 05/26/04

Wrong... No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

It's because you don't own the land voska | 05/26/04

Of course I own the land. No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

Did God deed it to you? John L. Ries | 05/27/04

No, you don't! AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

he might vince7 | 05/29/04

No surprises here seosamh_z | 05/26/04

Laws and punishment are a deterent. No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

Unenforced laws are not a deterrent tic swayback | 05/26/04

Re-read the article... No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

Existing laws are fine, just enforce them tic swayback | 05/26/04

And here I thought you were against criminalizing children. Go figure... No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

I am, so no more legislation tic swayback | 05/26/04

Reread it yourself! AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

Laws and punishment are a deterent. seosamh_z | 05/26/04

Apples and Oranges.... No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

Laughably wrong tic swayback | 05/26/04

Get real AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

I know of no law that actually deters people voska | 05/26/04

There are always a few idiots... No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

Circular argument AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

You are a total ..... JAS2803 | 05/26/04

And that make you a what? No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

Congress' ears tic swayback | 05/26/04

The death penalty is supposed to be a deterrent AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

Two things surprise me here tic swayback | 05/26/04

Books.. Patrick Jones | 05/26/04

Never a borrower or a lender be AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

Not surprised but angry Patrick Jones | 05/26/04

The punishment should fit the crime Michael Kelly | 05/26/04

Your part of the elephant Anton Philidor | 05/26/04

I see where you went wrong... No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

Rights and wrongs Anton Philidor | 05/26/04

Thank you for agreeing. No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

But tic swayback | 05/26/04

Wadda ya mean "finally"?! Anton Philidor | 05/27/04

But there are consequences John L. Ries | 05/27/04

Well funded hogs tic swayback | 05/26/04

of course it's not perfect... ryusen | 05/26/04

Oh, the poor millionaire artist argument... No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

how many millionare have no money? ryusen | 05/26/04

Just recently AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

They can't be millionaires because the RIAA doesn't pay them tic swayback | 05/26/04

They aren't the owner though voska | 05/26/04

No one stops you as the owner... No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

how can he? ryusen | 05/26/04

If this law gets through AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

actually, swapping is legal, as long as you really swap! oldskool | 05/26/04

Definition of "swap" Anton Philidor | 05/27/04

another legal way is giving... ryusen | 05/27/04

Nothing like good old contradiction in terms, eh? AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

A question John L. Ries | 05/26/04

An answer... No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04

paying for it... ryusen | 05/26/04

Re: An answer... none none | 05/26/04

No, the law is intended to hurt more people more viciously. Anton Philidor | 05/27/04

A rebuttal John L. Ries | 05/27/04

PU-LEEZE!!! AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

Please don't weaken your argument. Anton Philidor | 05/27/04

Re: weakening of arguments John L. Ries | 05/27/04

told who so? ryusen | 05/26/04

I'm sure they can find a way to tie it to terrorism if they tried... N/T TheWerewolf | 05/26/04

Trailer Park Conversation r7di697 | 05/26/04

WTF!?!? ryusen | 05/26/04

I wonder what would happen...... middle of nowhere | 05/26/04

You don't want to know amicus_curious | 05/26/04

Except it would the Gov in contempt voska | 05/26/04

I really do...... middle of nowhere | 05/26/04

How do you look wearing a hood? r7di697 | 05/26/04

Umm rapson | 05/26/04

Actually it's the RIAA who's doing the stealing... WhoIsDaMan | 05/26/04

RIAA Steals $50 Million from Artists tic swayback | 05/26/04

And they are LIARS too! tic swayback | 05/26/04

Still no response to this No Ax? tic swayback | 05/26/04

Still hiding from the truth No Ax? tic swayback | 05/26/04

file sharing is a general term blahblahblah | 05/27/04

Different types of content tic swayback | 05/27/04

But the law WILL end up covering software and other media AbsolutelyNot | 05/28/04

Is not JAS2803 | 05/26/04

just music? blahblahblah | 05/27/04

I'll bite tic swayback | 05/27/04

Not a bit! AbsolutelyNot | 05/28/04

pirate act ? how about anti-expensive product act? M_c | 05/26/04

Good for you JAS2803 | 05/26/04

Property is the only rationale that matters any more WhoIsDaMan | 05/26/04

Oh JAS2803 | 05/26/04

yeah but blahblahblah | 05/27/04

Even if you don't know how to use a computer, you are not immune! B.O.F.H. | 05/26/04

Better yet tic swayback | 05/26/04

hmm blahblahblah | 05/27/04

Never said I actually do this tic swayback | 05/27/04

Let the swapping continue JAS2803 | 05/26/04

Let the jail terms begin.... Stewart Cannon | 05/26/04

why that makes perfect sense to me... ryusen | 05/26/04

the details will screw it up blahblahblah | 05/27/04

downloading and the disease factor blahblahblah | 05/27/04

Not a disease to like music AbsolutelyNot | 05/28/04

Boycott the recording industry Uncoveror | 05/26/04

Ultimately, less respect for "Intellectual Property" Law... Root User | 05/26/04

Why is US Givernment funding DRM tech and Police? oldskool | 05/26/04

Quick thoughts from cubicle hell none none | 05/26/04

Privacy Law = = Copyright Law ParadigmOdyssey | 05/26/04

start saving those receipts V Sanders | 05/26/04

software should be sold on CHIPS V Sanders | 05/26/04

Stop this Madness, and Deal with REAL ISSUES!! brian2868 | 05/26/04

Hear! Hear! (NT) WhoIsDaMan | 05/27/04

THIS is piracy!!! AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04

Your So Right TechDiva brian2868 | 05/27/04

Next will be mandatory licensing of individuals FilledOut | 05/27/04

now let's here from a REAL "pirate". ima big pirate | 05/27/04

Rationalization John L. Ries | 05/27/04

I think you're missing his point WhoIsDaMan | 05/27/04

Cost/Benefit John L. Ries | 05/27/04

Yes, but... WhoIsDaMan | 05/27/04

harm vs cost/benifit ryusen | 05/28/04

how much money, resource, restriction of your rights to STOP me?? ima big pirate | 05/27/04

... and one more thing..... ima big pirate | 05/27/04

impractical ryusen | 05/28/04

George, Your so Right brian2868 | 05/27/04

i agree ... vince7 | 05/29/04

Hypocrits shraven | 05/28/04

Sink the Pirate act--Protest online at EFF bill55gates | 05/28/04

Did you get a check? AbsolutelyNot | 05/28/04

the reward was downright stupid ryusen | 05/28/04

DUH! Don't Vote for Conservatives!! mkabru | 05/30/04

the stupidity of it all... ryusen | 06/01/04

None of this stuff will work anyway. It crosses national borders. GreatInca | 11/23/04

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