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So your argument is....
It's ok to steal because the company you're stealing from is making money?
Posted by: JustMe99_z   Posted on: 05/26/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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Whoa! This is serious stuff!  DarbyOhara | 05/26/04
Why...  JustMe99_z | 05/26/04
Because I already bought the CD  voska | 05/26/04
So your argument is....  JustMe99_z | 05/26/04
Pretty much, sure  MEMSmaker | 05/26/04
Are you....  DarbyOhara | 05/26/04
no, but  MEMSmaker | 05/26/04
Actually it's the RIAA who's doing the stealing...  WhoIsDaMan | 05/26/04
Interesting  JustMe99_z | 05/26/04
re: interesting  ryusen | 05/26/04
re: interesting  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Another theft example by the RIAA  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
NO, I how do I steal what I own???  voska | 05/26/04
So what about books, magazines, and software?  JustMe99_z | 05/26/04
Not belief I do own, it's law  voska | 05/26/04
I copy things out of books and magazines all the time  tic swayback | 05/26/04
there's that word gain...  ryusen | 05/26/04
It's not stealing  tic swayback | 05/26/04
What percentage?  rapson | 05/26/04
but...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Everyone I know who swaps files buys CDs  voska | 05/26/04
what perecentage  TokyoPete | 05/28/04
Profits to go even higher  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Actually...  DarbyOhara | 05/26/04
Putting words into my mouth...  JustMe99_z | 05/26/04
You put your foot in your mouth!  DarbyOhara | 05/26/04
Software...  JustMe99_z | 05/26/04
you've been polite?  ryusen | 05/26/04
Actually..  Patrick Jones | 05/26/04
If you own the CD....  JustMe99_z | 05/26/04
Re-read the original post  Patrick Jones | 05/26/04
putting words in my mouth  TokyoPete | 05/28/04
Actually...giving away IS legal!  becksdark | 05/28/04
You bring up an interesting point...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Legality  Letophoro | 05/26/04
re: legality  ryusen | 05/26/04
legality  TokyoPete | 05/28/04
giving and recieveing  ryusen | 05/28/04
Reading the draft  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
learn the laws...  ryusen | 05/26/04
people like p2p to much to give it up...  cybershoplifter | 05/26/04
That's not a good argument  rapson | 05/26/04
it worked for alcohol...  ryusen | 05/26/04
I'd be careful with that one too  rapson | 05/26/04
my argument isn't quite that...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Too true  rapson | 05/26/04
my answer:  ryusen | 05/26/04
To answer Carl  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
To TechDiva  rapson | 05/27/04
Back at ya, Carl  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
re: Carl  ryusen | 05/27/04
An Argument it was not...  cybershoplifter | 05/26/04
Let the RIAA clean up their own mess.  Patrick Jones | 05/26/04
Lets take a vote, I vote no  Arrg | 05/26/04
Re: Lets take a vote, I vote no  issthatso | 05/26/04
Then send a message!  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
morals?  lotta_anger | 05/26/04
Kindof a Hypocrite if you ask me  nucrash | 05/26/04
potheads are criminals?  DarbyOhara | 05/26/04
When did America become a socialist society?  dj_45_cal | 05/26/04
I would call it socialist  voska | 05/26/04
Agreed  dj_45_cal | 05/26/04
the only reason they are trying to stop p2p  ryusen | 05/26/04
how about HONESTY?  ryusen | 05/26/04
Not really...  dj_45_cal | 05/26/04
yes.. you could argue  ryusen | 05/26/04
Going up sad  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Some points...  John L. Ries | 05/26/04
Government Moral Authority  Bill4 | 05/26/04
Orrin Hatch and the RIAA  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Lets just ALL go to jail and be done with it...  BitTwiddler | 05/26/04
It wasn't that long ago....  DarbyOhara | 05/26/04
Wrong...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Not wrong...  DarbyOhara | 05/26/04
You brought up the Civil War...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Lobbying 101  Jeff Spicoli | 05/26/04
I stand corrected...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
the masses  ryusen | 05/26/04
So where does the constitution say.......  middle of nowhere | 05/26/04
Read Jeff Spicoli's post  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Wrong...  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
Do you vote?  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
the problem...  ryusen | 05/26/04
The Solution???  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
my solution...  ryusen | 05/26/04
ZZ, are you suggesting "Campaign Finance Reform"?  Spoon Jabber | 05/27/04
re: Spoon  ryusen | 05/27/04
ZZ, I see the glass as half full  Spoon Jabber | 05/28/04
re: ranting  ryusen | 05/28/04
Just a minute ZZ  Spoon Jabber | 05/28/04
Right  debonair | 05/26/04
Lobbying.....  middle of nowhere | 05/26/04
Good Idea:  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Does not work.  bhanes@... | 05/26/04
Re: Lobbying  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
Clarification  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
Vote  Chad_z | 05/26/04
I agree  jdunn_z | 05/26/04
I agree  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
Vote  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
Take it further  Pinkerton | 05/26/04
Take it further  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
Aye  Pinkerton | 05/26/04
get rid of them...  ryusen | 05/26/04
I agree, but  Update victim | 05/26/04
Land of the Free  klmmicro | 05/26/04
Land of the Free  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
What is your solution  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
I don't have one, just a plan b.  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
In other words...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
No, in my exact words  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
I agreed with you until ...  vince7 | 05/29/04
Investigate the Senate  Tim Patterson | 05/26/04
Could we apply "Conflict of Interest Laws" ? (NT)  Update victim | 05/26/04
Anybody else find it funny...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
No one laughed...  StorageGuru | 05/26/04
I wasn't laughing then either  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Ah, the Pirates don't like enforcement of copyright law !  realitycheck101 | 05/26/04
Wrong Argument...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Hey blind sheep  James T. Kirk | 05/26/04
Justice ONLY for the rich!  George Mitchell | 05/26/04
Justice ONLY for the rich!  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
blah blah blah, PIRACY ROCKS  cybershoplifter | 05/26/04
Amen, Brother!  Stewart Cannon | 05/26/04
what abotu the crooks who've...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Defending the property rights...  Stewart Cannon | 05/26/04
defending consumer rights...  ryusen | 05/26/04
If you can answer yes to any of the following, you're guilty, too:  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Depends on what you call "property"  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
And who will pay for that, pray tell?  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
it isn't just about ...  vince7 | 05/29/04
Read the Constitution  Update victim | 05/26/04
Bravo!  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Interesting perspective...  Stewart Cannon | 05/26/04
The law isn't enforceable  amicus_curious | 05/26/04
I am not a pirate and i do not like it either  V Sanders | 05/26/04
Just remember your little rant...  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Let's just vote this clown administration out!  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/26/04
Bush is not the one behind this...  techboy_z | 05/26/04
Bush bad but this ain't his bag  cybershoplifter | 05/26/04
Justice Dept = Ashcroft = Bush  r7di697 | 05/26/04
Actually  vferrara | 05/26/04
Absolutely!  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
wager?  vince7 | 05/29/04
but Ashcroft is...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Thank You So Much  Proxima | 05/26/04
Not doing well????  voska | 05/26/04
My Point Exactly  Proxima | 05/26/04
let me get this straight...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Let Me Put This Straight  Proxima | 05/27/04
re:  ryusen | 05/27/04
Time for the definitions again:  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
I concur  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
you are welcome  vince7 | 05/29/04
I've stopped buying new music  Protector | 05/26/04
This is futile for the RIAA  chrislovesdana | 05/26/04
Because of the pot laws I can't buy it anymore!  cybershoplifter | 05/26/04
ROLF!!!!!!!  Nullifidian | 05/26/04
ROLF!!!!!!! ?  Anton Philidor | 05/26/04
That's because they are working the money thing  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
"Proportionality"  Anton Philidor | 05/26/04
Proportionality fits, should have been applied here, too  Update victim | 05/26/04
A local issue  amicus_curious | 05/26/04
Absent a criminal conviction  amicus_curious | 05/26/04
This isn't an RIAA action ...  Anton Philidor | 05/26/04
For or against, write  potomac79 | 05/26/04
Sure, put it under citizen review board  FilledOut | 05/26/04
A Government of Thugs  r7di697 | 05/26/04
And why does this surprise anyone?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
A stretch of the truth  amicus_curious | 05/26/04
So your excuse is...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Not really  voska | 05/26/04
One is legal, one isn't...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Huh?  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Technically it always has been  voska | 05/26/04
Did I not just say that  voska | 05/26/04
legality again...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Not really ZZ  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
if that's the case...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Not at all...  John L. Ries | 05/26/04
Not an excuse  amicus_curious | 05/26/04
But a 44-cent candy bar will not land you in prison  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
It just doens't make sense  voska | 05/26/04
Your reasoning is still a self centered excuse.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
How's that an excuse  voska | 05/26/04
Amen  JAS2803 | 05/26/04
You use it to justify your actions.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
our actions need justification?  ryusen | 05/26/04
Non swaper ...  vince7 | 05/29/04
Technically  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
so that's your excuse...  ryusen | 05/26/04
question  vince7 | 05/29/04
Not sure who you are  JAS2803 | 05/26/04
Just an honest guy stating an opinion. Who or what are you?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Apples and oranges again, Ax  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Good Idea, bad Law  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
Not true really...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
But...  LongShipUser | 05/26/04
And that is what is being changed isn't it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
The difference...  John L. Ries | 05/26/04
Wrong...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
It's because you don't own the land  voska | 05/26/04
Of course I own the land.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Did God deed it to you?  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
No, you don't!  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
he might  vince7 | 05/29/04
No surprises here  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
Laws and punishment are a deterent.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Unenforced laws are not a deterrent  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Re-read the article...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Existing laws are fine, just enforce them  tic swayback | 05/26/04
And here I thought you were against criminalizing children. Go figure...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
I am, so no more legislation  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Reread it yourself!  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Laws and punishment are a deterent.  seosamh_z | 05/26/04
Apples and Oranges....  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Laughably wrong  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Get real  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
I know of no law that actually deters people  voska | 05/26/04
There are always a few idiots...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Circular argument  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
You are a total .....  JAS2803 | 05/26/04
And that make you a what?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Congress' ears  tic swayback | 05/26/04
The death penalty is supposed to be a deterrent  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Two things surprise me here  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Books..  Patrick Jones | 05/26/04
Never a borrower or a lender be  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Not surprised but angry  Patrick Jones | 05/26/04
The punishment should fit the crime  Michael Kelly | 05/26/04
Your part of the elephant  Anton Philidor | 05/26/04
I see where you went wrong...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
Rights and wrongs  Anton Philidor | 05/26/04
Thank you for agreeing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
But  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Wadda ya mean "finally"?!  Anton Philidor | 05/27/04
But there are consequences  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
Well funded hogs  tic swayback | 05/26/04
of course it's not perfect...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Oh, the poor millionaire artist argument...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
how many millionare have no money?  ryusen | 05/26/04
Just recently  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
They can't be millionaires because the RIAA doesn't pay them  tic swayback | 05/26/04
They aren't the owner though  voska | 05/26/04
No one stops you as the owner...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
how can he?  ryusen | 05/26/04
If this law gets through  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
actually, swapping is legal, as long as you really swap!  oldskool | 05/26/04
Definition of "swap"  Anton Philidor | 05/27/04
another legal way is giving...  ryusen | 05/27/04
Nothing like good old contradiction in terms, eh?  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
A question  John L. Ries | 05/26/04
An answer...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/26/04
paying for it...  ryusen | 05/26/04
Re: An answer...  none none | 05/26/04
No, the law is intended to hurt more people more viciously.  Anton Philidor | 05/27/04
A rebuttal  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
A rebuttal  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
PU-LEEZE!!!  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Please don't weaken your argument.  Anton Philidor | 05/27/04
Re: weakening of arguments  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
told who so?  ryusen | 05/26/04
I'm sure they can find a way to tie it to terrorism if they tried... N/T  TheWerewolf | 05/26/04
Trailer Park Conversation  r7di697 | 05/26/04
WTF!?!?  ryusen | 05/26/04
I wonder what would happen......  middle of nowhere | 05/26/04
You don't want to know  amicus_curious | 05/26/04
Except it would the Gov in contempt  voska | 05/26/04
I really do......  middle of nowhere | 05/26/04
How do you look wearing a hood?  r7di697 | 05/26/04
Umm  rapson | 05/26/04
Actually it's the RIAA who's doing the stealing...  WhoIsDaMan | 05/26/04
RIAA Steals $50 Million from Artists  tic swayback | 05/26/04
And they are LIARS too!  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Still no response to this No Ax?  tic swayback | 05/26/04
Still hiding from the truth No Ax?  tic swayback | 05/26/04
file sharing is a general term  blahblahblah | 05/27/04
Different types of content  tic swayback | 05/27/04
But the law WILL end up covering software and other media  AbsolutelyNot | 05/28/04
Is not  JAS2803 | 05/26/04
just music?  blahblahblah | 05/27/04
I'll bite  tic swayback | 05/27/04
Not a bit!  AbsolutelyNot | 05/28/04
pirate act ? how about anti-expensive product act?  M_c | 05/26/04
Good for you  JAS2803 | 05/26/04
Copyright Enforcement  John L. Ries | 05/26/04
Property is the only rationale that matters any more  WhoIsDaMan | 05/26/04
Oh  JAS2803 | 05/26/04
yeah but  blahblahblah | 05/27/04
Even if you don't know how to use a computer, you are not immune!  B.O.F.H. | 05/26/04
Better yet  tic swayback | 05/26/04
hmm  blahblahblah | 05/27/04
Never said I actually do this  tic swayback | 05/27/04
Let the swapping continue  JAS2803 | 05/26/04
Let the jail terms begin....  Stewart Cannon | 05/26/04
why that makes perfect sense to me...  ryusen | 05/26/04
the details will screw it up  blahblahblah | 05/27/04
downloading and the disease factor  blahblahblah | 05/27/04
Not a disease to like music  AbsolutelyNot | 05/28/04
Boycott the recording industry  Uncoveror | 05/26/04
Ultimately, less respect for "Intellectual Property" Law...  Root User | 05/26/04
Why is US Givernment funding DRM tech and Police?  oldskool | 05/26/04
Quick thoughts from cubicle hell  none none | 05/26/04
Privacy Law = = Copyright Law  ParadigmOdyssey | 05/26/04
start saving those receipts  V Sanders | 05/26/04
software should be sold on CHIPS  V Sanders | 05/26/04
Stop this Madness, and Deal with REAL ISSUES!!  brian2868 | 05/26/04
Hear! Hear! (NT)  WhoIsDaMan | 05/27/04
THIS is piracy!!!  AbsolutelyNot | 05/27/04
Your So Right TechDiva  brian2868 | 05/27/04
Next will be mandatory licensing of individuals  FilledOut | 05/27/04
now let's here from a REAL "pirate".  ima big pirate | 05/27/04
Rationalization  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
I think you're missing his point  WhoIsDaMan | 05/27/04
Cost/Benefit  John L. Ries | 05/27/04
Yes, but...  WhoIsDaMan | 05/27/04
harm vs cost/benifit  ryusen | 05/28/04
how much money, resource, restriction of your rights to STOP me??  ima big pirate | 05/27/04
... and one more thing.....  ima big pirate | 05/27/04
impractical  ryusen | 05/28/04
George, Your so Right  brian2868 | 05/27/04
i agree ...  vince7 | 05/29/04
Hypocrits  shraven | 05/28/04
Sink the Pirate act--Protest online at EFF  bill55gates | 05/28/04
Did you get a check?  AbsolutelyNot | 05/28/04
the reward was downright stupid  ryusen | 05/28/04
DUH! Don't Vote for Conservatives!!  mkabru | 05/30/04
the stupidity of it all...  ryusen | 06/01/04
None of this stuff will work anyway. It crosses national borders.  GreatInca | 11/23/04

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