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A general problems with Faith....
I have at least one Christian friend whom I can talk too. She belongs to the Calvanist sect of the faith, and from what I understand these people are VERY CONSERVATIVE...still I can talk to her and despite my many questions (many of which she can not answer) She does not get all foamy at the mouth and angry. So our talks continue even to this day.

So she tell's me my desire to have facts can never happen because one has to take a "leap of faith" It's sort of a right to passage to get closer to God or something to that effect.

So I ask her. "Can I use this (leap of faith) philosophy in my life in general?" And I give her an example. I meet some guy/gal who want to sell me the Golden Gate Bridge..it's a steel at $10,000.00 cash on the spot (He/she is a very motivated seller) Now for some reason I like this guy/gal he/she gives me the warm fuzzy's. I like what he/she says and the way they say it....I feel deep down inside they are being earnest and I have faith in their character. So based on those impressions I buy the bridge right there on the spot. I ask my friend "Was that wise" She sighs and rolls her eyes and says "Of coarse not...you can not and should not have faith in man/woman. God is the only one you use the concept of faith on"..or something to that effect. Then I go on...."How do you know you have faith in the right God?" After all there are many faiths in the world today are there not. Jew's, Roman Catholics, Muslims, Asian philosophys and the list goes on and on, and each has many branches and seperate sects of the major players. Each claims the same passage to God ie Faith. So how does one know for a fact that their leap of faith is in the right direction. To which she has often said "You just know" To which I reply "If you just know...then does the Muslim also just know that their leap was wrong?" If so how can you explain there being of a Billion Muslims? How about 500 million Hindu's and the list goes on and on. Do they all know that they are incorrect or do they also "just know"?

At this point she admits she has no idea...but to her credit she does still insist that I have to take that leap:) To which I ask her "What if I take that leap and end up a Muslim?" That one always gets her...hee hee hee

Rev jim
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Great quote  mlindl | 05/18/04
The irony at the base  Linux User 147560 | 05/18/04
Close But No Cigar  nikoli | 05/18/04
Yup.  Fred Fredrickson | 05/19/04
Who cares...They are both NUTS, and Dangerous  Laff | 05/19/04
My sentiments  Linux User 147560 | 05/19/04
More Blanket Statements By The Truly Ignorant  nikoli | 05/19/04
Sorry to sound ignorant and all..but your response  Laff | 05/19/04
Who's Social Engineering... What Did I Ever Do To You?  nikoli | 05/19/04
what exactly...  eLurker | 05/19/04
Stupid Quote  nikoli | 05/18/04
He could have meant  Linux User 147560 | 05/18/04
Sorry Man But That Is VERY  nikoli | 05/18/04
What because I am an atheist?  Linux User 147560 | 05/18/04
Sorry, I Thought You Might Be Smart  nikoli | 05/19/04
If you have a faith, and that faith locks you into a  Laff | 05/19/04
I am smart  Linux User 147560 | 05/19/04
laff-  eLurker | 05/19/04
Sorry but  NemesisNL | 05/20/04
question  eLurker | 05/21/04
By it's very nature all "faith" based philosophy's have to be  Laff | 05/19/04
Keep Up The Blanket Statements  nikoli | 05/19/04
I am open to any evidence you might have to share..  Laff | 05/19/04
dont confuse...  eLurker | 05/19/04
You are of coarse correct.....  Laff | 05/20/04
rev -  eLurker | 05/20/04
In case you check back..  mlindl | 05/18/04
Back In the 98 and NT Days  nikoli | 05/19/04
Amen brother...Amen!  Laff | 05/19/04
besides  NemesisNL | 05/20/04
its...  eLurker | 05/21/04
A general problems with Faith....  Laff | 05/19/04
You'll Probably Never Get It  nikoli | 05/19/04
Then why so many responses?  Laff | 05/19/04
Because I'm Defensive  nikoli | 05/19/04
Bill Gates own Apple  rimplestilthskin | 05/18/04
Problem is on your end....  middle of nowhere | 05/18/04
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Apple seems up to the challenge...  MacCanuck | 05/19/04
In Your Own World Maybe  nikoli | 05/19/04
Attack the spelling and not the point...Always a  Laff | 05/19/04
Sorry If That Wasn't Good Enough For You  nikoli | 05/19/04
A bit touchy today are we...  MacCanuck | 05/19/04
Links Shminks  nikoli | 05/19/04
Sound a bit like Don Rupert  bgoss@... | 05/19/04
BS much ???  nikoli | 05/20/04
You re-quoted my TCO comment...  MacCanuck | 05/20/04
Perception  nikoli | 05/20/04
Your perception is off...  MacCanuck | 05/20/04
What Say You  nikoli | 05/20/04
Run away nikoli, run away!!!  Joe Scozzaro | 05/22/04
I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU'VE SEEN THEM  nikoli | 05/24/04
This is what I've been talking about!!!  Laff | 05/19/04
You Have Christians Hounding You At Your Doorstep?  nikoli | 05/19/04
Sure do not adress his main argument but make cheap remarks  NemesisNL | 05/19/04
Me Too  nikoli | 05/20/04
Actually at times yes...  Laff | 05/20/04
You Are So Full Of It  nikoli | 05/20/04
be careful...  eLurker | 05/20/04
Dear Nikoli  Laff | 05/20/04
And The Point Is ???  nikoli | 05/20/04
And you are right as well...  Laff | 05/21/04
eLurker...I do enjoy stirring the POT:)  Laff | 05/20/04
You're Right  nikoli | 05/20/04
This sort of brings me to my own theory...  Laff | 05/21/04
hmm  eLurker | 05/21/04
I always thought that the description of Hell  Laff | 05/21/04
no  eLurker | 05/21/04
And here I was hoping to finally get GOOD cable:(  Laff | 05/22/04
One last question....  Laff | 05/20/04
it's a matter of perception  NemesisNL | 05/20/04
Amen!!!  Laff | 05/21/04
nem & rev  eLurker | 05/21/04
Not faith....THEORY. It makes sense to me...  Laff | 05/22/04
still looks like faith to me  eLurker | 05/23/04
side note  eLurker | 05/23/04
Here is a funny tale....  Laff | 05/24/04
theories  eLurker | 05/24/04
to claim you do not have one, as it is apparent that you do  NemesisNL | 05/23/04
so therefore, you have a faith  eLurker | 05/23/04
Well I'm not all together against Organized Faith  Laff | 05/24/04
ah, the beauty of a free country  eLurker | 05/24/04
elurker  Laff | 05/24/04
rev  eLurker | 05/24/04
Lurker old pal....:)  Laff | 05/25/04
Also...I agree.  Laff | 05/25/04

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