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If Fraunhofer sold a license it was not legally entitled to sell, it should be sued by both Microsoft and Lucent/Alcatel for fraud.
Posted by: Marty R. Milette   Posted on: 12/27/07 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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So then even having a license  John Zern | 02/22/07
MS's issue?  carbonred | 02/22/07
Should be?  voska | 02/22/07
Should be...  Cayble | 02/24/07
Patent abuse  wvhillbilly | 02/26/07
Agree completely!  simul8guy | 12/27/07
Is the failure at the reading level or understanding level?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
re : Is the failure at the reading level or understanding level?  Intellihence | 02/22/07
so then  xuniL_z | 02/22/07
I'm a bit confused by this too  mdsmedia | 02/22/07
Make no sense to me either!  mustang_z | 02/22/07
While I have problems with M$ tactics...  Media-Ted@... | 12/28/07
Not to mention its irrelevant to trying to negate Axes point...  Cayble | 02/24/07
so really Fraunhofer should be sued then ... not microsoft  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
Patenting S/W is like patenting math  davidsarmstrong | 02/22/07
Copyright more applicable  frgough | 02/23/07
Copyrights for software, patents for inventions  wvhillbilly | 02/26/07
Good idea, except.....  arminw | 12/28/07
Yep  IT_User | 02/22/07
Once upon a time  Update victim | 12/27/07
Erm...  zkiwi | 02/22/07
Obviously no one else does either.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
This technology of MP3 was created in a joint partnership .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
re: This technology of MP3 was created in a joint partnership  woad@... | 02/22/07
I doubt it's a witch hunt...  mdsmedia | 02/22/07
I agree!  mustang_z | 02/22/07
...(litigation) should be between Lucent and Fraunhofer  Loggies | 02/25/07
Excuse Me? re: This technology of MP3 was created in a joint partnership  marinsoftworks@... | 02/27/07
RIIIIGHT.. you hit the nail on the...  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
If it's a partnership...FRAUNHOFER should have paid Lucent  mdsmedia | 02/22/07
re: If it's a partnership...FRAUNHOFER should have paid Lucent  marinsoftworks@... | 02/27/07
so Fraunhofer should be liable and not the rest of the planet  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
True demonstration that MPEG is not a standard  PhilippeV | 01/14/08
So the question becomes...  Cayble | 02/24/07
So Fraunhofer is innocent?  lmenningen | 02/25/07
In that case...  Marty R. Milette | 12/27/07
for once I agree with you  mdsmedia | 02/22/07
Have you been following the case?  daengbo | 12/27/07
MS has a history of abuse.  richard233 | 02/22/07
License, smicense ...  abuse.this2@... | 02/22/07
Fraunhofer is recognized  lmenningen | 02/25/07
thats what many articles like this one fail to recognize  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
Good Faith research  marinsoftworks@... | 02/27/07
Here's a better story from the washington post concerning this issue .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
so what in the "" does this have to do with ms then  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
Here's another goody . This seems to be getting out of hand .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Apple takes the horses by the reign . Go APPLE GO !  Intellihence | 02/22/07
confusing...  zoroaster | 02/22/07
So then even having a license...  Willy the JOAT | 02/22/07
Microsoft hit with $1.5 billion patent verdict  Loverock Davidson | 02/22/07
How so?  tic swayback | 02/22/07
Easily  Loverock Davidson | 02/22/07
You know, they used to say that about GM, too...  Zeppo9191 | 02/22/07
Are you sure?  xuniL_z | 02/22/07
actually Lovey makes a good point  mdsmedia | 02/22/07
Why up the fine?  tic swayback | 02/22/07
It's Lovey logic....  shawkins | 02/22/07
They should only be fined what "the real cost" WOULD have been  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
No one needs more than 640k of RAM  puggsly | 02/22/07
What have you against Apple?  voska | 02/22/07
They cost too much  Loverock Davidson | 02/22/07
The truth is that you can't afford it L.D.  Intellihence | 02/22/07
I'm forced to agree with Loverock...  Raymond Danner | 02/22/07
Example?  cmjrees | 02/22/07
If you research post FACTS  puggsly | 02/22/07
RE: If you research post FACTS  Lynne's Honey | 02/24/07
The DELL chip is faster hahahahhahaha  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
then you could sue MS for not allowing  mdsmedia | 02/22/07
A small nit  wolf_z | 02/23/07
Not quite enough said...  ajole | 02/22/07
90%?!?  rx7racer | 02/22/07
Sour grapes  frgough | 02/23/07
thats only in your mind pal  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
except  Mectron | 02/22/07
Absolute garbage unless  Cayble | 02/24/07
You forget another thing  jrbeaman | 12/27/07
No they don't  puggsly | 02/22/07
windows xp pro notebooks w' wifi  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
How could you not think of Apple and MP3s?  babar77 | 02/22/07
Someone lied to you, or you didn't look into Vista very well  ajole | 02/22/07
You might be right, but...  babar77 | 02/22/07
Bravo , Bravo !  Intellihence | 02/22/07
HD/Vista Myths  woad@... | 02/22/07
You missed the CRT bit.  babar77 | 02/22/07
Wow, XP/OSX/Linux rock!!  NonZealot | 02/22/07
completely wrong  MacKeyser | 02/23/07
You are so far out to lunch you lack all credibility  Cayble | 02/24/07
why dont you explain the diff between apple crt's and everyone elses then  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
LRD what rock do you live under?  jfmiii | 02/22/07
Uhm... the topic is actually MP3 licensing....  Loggies | 02/25/07
DOH!  jrbeaman | 12/27/07
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth again, LD  Zeppo9191 | 02/22/07
re:You're talking out of both sides of your mouth again, LD  woad@... | 02/22/07
I'm sure he did...  p0figster | 02/22/07
you mean Mac OS?  galileon | 02/22/07
Linux, duh  macoafi | 02/22/07
re: Linux, duh  woad@... | 02/22/07
Well who cares?  Linux User 147560 | 02/22/07
ogg vorbis  wvhillbilly | 02/26/07
I'm not thinking OS  NonZealot | 02/22/07
Microsoft is already doing the work .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
How many iPods?  NonZealot | 02/22/07
Use OGG  davidr69 | 02/22/07
You are so right , .ogg is superior to .mp3 .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
And how many iPhones...  jrbeaman | 12/27/07
My goodness! Aren't you vicious, Mr Davidson?  labarker | 02/22/07
One slight problem with your rant...  Raymond Danner | 02/22/07
Makes no difference, the iPod  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
So if anything happens  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Apple will innovate a time machine?  NonZealot | 02/22/07
I doubt very much that APPLE will be hurt by this .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
For future reference  fuzzy2k | 02/23/07
Anything...  justanitguy | 02/23/07
Just so as you remember...  zkiwi | 02/22/07
oh, poor lovey-dovey  zoroaster | 02/22/07
Of course, it makes sense to hit the biggest supplier...  nix_hed | 02/22/07
Fines are often set based upon ...  mwagner@... | 02/23/07
Sure it makes sense...  BFD | 02/23/07
Who has to respect intellectual property rights? (nt)  Henry Miller | 02/22/07
Obviously the ones that PAID for it  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
They didn't pay Lucent Bell Labs / Alcatel you bonehead .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Really, bonehead?  RSDan | 02/23/07
One small point lost in this story...  Confused by religion | 02/22/07
Parasitic Patent Tactics  Peopleunit | 02/22/07
Too Much Common Sense  Ole Man | 02/23/07
Patent trolls  wvhillbilly | 02/26/07
generally...  zoroaster | 02/22/07
But MS wasn't originally sued...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
Mr Ballmer how you been fibbing again  martin23 | 02/22/07
I'm betting there is Linux code written into Windows Vista .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Explain the licensing to me....  xuniL_z | 02/22/07
Many folks hate MS .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Wonder if they'll sue sites that offer  Boot_Agnostic | 02/23/07
No, just losers...  BFD | 02/23/07
Hmmm trying to dominate?  willpd13 | 12/28/07
Google, GPL  Filker0_z | 02/22/07
Re: Google, GPL  criderja | 02/23/07
hah...  zoroaster | 02/22/07
Linux embedded in Windows Vista?  schwagerjt@... | 02/23/07
FIVE!  davedufour | 02/22/07
Poor Bill  martin23 | 02/22/07
Yes, you are clueless.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
You are blinded by your distaste for open source  Filker0_z | 02/22/07
Message has been deleted.  brichter | 02/22/07
Sure we do  Linux User 147560 | 02/22/07
At least I can read  martin23 | 02/22/07
Read it one more time please  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/23/07
Why Open Source doesn't pay for IP?  wvhillbilly | 02/26/07
And Apple Inovates?????????  Sean_Ssss | 02/22/07
Yes. The click-wheel is one.  babar77 | 02/22/07
Click Wheel, Whoop de Doo!!!  Sean_Ssss | 02/22/07
Cheap, innovative?  aperez@... | 02/23/07
Turbo Pascal Price  dmenke | 03/02/07
mac interface...  Mad Maximus | 02/25/07
To be fair,  Joel R | 02/23/07
Many despise Microsoft for their tactics .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Huh?  BFD | 02/23/07
Well you asked so here ya go!  Linux User 147560 | 02/22/07
What is your point?  Code Poet | 02/23/07
OMG - what an idiot  wininpitt | 02/25/07
In case you hadn't noticed...  zkiwi | 02/22/07
Time To Go Back & Read The History Again  Mr_Wizard | 02/23/07
So...  zkiwi | 02/23/07
I Don't Agree....  Mr_Wizard | 02/24/07
Well...  zkiwi | 02/24/07
Actually  wininpitt | 02/25/07
As if...  Tim Patterson | 02/22/07
Did you ever see the Simpson's episode  Linux User 147560 | 02/22/07
Don't forget Interconnects between devices.  babar77 | 02/22/07
Software patents  trm1945 | 02/22/07
Alogrithms  Filker0_z | 02/22/07
Patents a bad thing... like democracy is a bad thing..  gsmith@... | 02/23/07
Patent system needs to be overhauled!  Allstar_z | 02/25/07
When these large companies start spending $$$$$ on patent wars ...  George Mitchell | 02/22/07
Nope, that won't end it at all  ajole | 02/22/07
Just toss it out  jsjag1 | 02/22/07
Current Supreme Court discussion on the matter ...  George Mitchell | 02/22/07
Will Microsoft Pay Even for Bootlegged Copies of Windows?  archetuthus | 02/22/07
Excellent point....  mlambert890@... | 02/22/07
Microsoft well-known for stealing code...  Raymond Danner | 02/22/07
You must be dumber than a rock  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
Beg pardon  cmjrees | 02/22/07
Again you moron , MS did not pay anything to Lucent/Alcatel .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
re: Again you moron , MS did not pay anything to Lucent/Alcatel .  woad@... | 02/22/07
I use AAC on my Mac and when I boot up into Yellow Dog I use ogg  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Only one flaw in your logic.  kenhi@... | 02/22/07
Bravo!  danyetman | 02/23/07
you're an idiot!  doctorSpoc | 02/23/07
Not necessarily  D-cat | 02/25/07
Ya know when I was a lad on the Ranch  Linux User 147560 | 02/22/07
Won't work  Spoon Jabber | 02/23/07
Gawd, you really are slow  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/23/07
Doesn't matter dormin  Spoon Jabber | 02/23/07
Microsoft needs to be more responsible than...  mrlinux | 02/23/07
MS lawyers screwed the pooch  startx.jeff | 02/23/07
Maybe  D-Ram | 02/23/07
Pal, you want to see a moron  wininpitt | 02/25/07
Please Reread the Lead.  archetuthus | 02/23/07
A port of Max OS ????  DevGuy_z | 02/23/07
No such thing as "stealing code"...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
No such thing as "stealing code"..  Ole Man | 03/01/07
of course not -  zoroaster | 02/22/07
Shouldn't steal from Ma Bell  nabisho | 02/22/07
$16 MILLION is stealing?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
.mp3 was a joint venture , Lucent /Alcatel did not receive anything .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
multiple owners...  zoroaster | 02/22/07
Do you understand?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/23/07
How utterly ignorant of you  Spoon Jabber | 02/23/07
You confuse me...  D-Ram | 02/23/07
they still got use of it... made money from it...  doctorSpoc | 02/22/07
Except Ma Bell isn't the one complaining...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
This one has to be appealed  John L. Ries | 02/22/07
Precisely!  Raymond Danner | 02/22/07
They can't dispute the patent.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
Why not?  Patrick Jones | 02/22/07
Because MS said so  Spoon Jabber | 02/23/07
They paid for a DIFFERENT patent...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
John, read my post above ... Supreme Court already has it ...  George Mitchell | 02/22/07
Who actually owns the Patents ????  lipl1 | 02/22/07
Multiples  cyanblade | 02/22/07
Wait a minute, that makes too much sense.  ajole | 02/22/07
not so simple ...  zoroaster | 02/22/07
More than $16 million  NonZealot | 02/22/07
no fraunhofer does owe MS $16 mil... and MS really does owe ALU $1.5bil  doctorSpoc | 02/22/07
No, you don't understand  wininpitt | 02/25/07
deep pockets  zclayton2 | 02/23/07
They both do...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
insane  Mectron | 02/22/07
Protecting the low-life common crook"  mdsmedia | 02/22/07
more fun...  zoroaster | 02/22/07
Apple is not a monopoly  babar77 | 02/22/07
Sorry, This is a reply to Raymond Danne  babar77 | 02/22/07
Apple is losing money?  NonZealot | 02/22/07
Sorry, let me rephrase  babar77 | 02/22/07
have you left the planet for the last few years?  doctorSpoc | 02/22/07
Alot of these MS SHILL's are in denial . Poor , poor MS shill .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
The only MS hardware I own is a mouse.  ajole | 02/22/07
Not a monopoly?  Sean_Ssss | 02/22/07
So, your answer is  wininpitt | 02/25/07
Boycott?  madrucke@... | 02/22/07
that's why...  zoroaster | 02/22/07
Aw jee MS got caught  lynne1462@... | 02/22/07
Is this the same Lynn I knew on AOL as HOSTCOMPAPPL .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
This is not about MS  RSDan | 02/23/07
The blind anti-MS people  wininpitt | 02/25/07
And That Makes You?  Ole Man | 03/01/07
No, you got caught  wininpitt | 02/25/07
mp3, patents and people...  bgonetoo | 02/22/07
Ogg format is better than mp3s anyway  draciron@... | 02/22/07
quality of ogg isnt the isuue retardo boy  badolato@... | 02/22/07
Thank you for your fine opinion.  sjpatrick | 02/23/07
Well said (NT)  enduser_z | 02/23/07
true, BUT  mobrien_12@... | 02/22/07
Just re-ripped one CD and I love it  davidsarmstrong | 02/22/07
What compatibility problem?  JDThompson | 02/25/07
RE:MC OS V.1.0  BernieLyons | 02/22/07
Just a little FYI  Rick_K | 02/23/07
A bit more background to the case.  Piot | 02/22/07
Follow the link to the Washington Post , the yellow brick road  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Holy Trolling Batman!  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 02/22/07
An Insane Asylum Run By The Inmates  Ole Man | 02/22/07
the telephone,transitor,laser,transistorComputer  doctorSpoc | 02/22/07
You have your history wrong  NonZealot | 02/22/07
how/why did apple get brought into this discussion??  doctorSpoc | 02/22/07
Just Goes To Prove My Point  Ole Man | 02/23/07
transistors not invented, discovered  cls@... | 02/23/07
Patent vs Issuer of same  chillintex | 02/22/07
Message has been deleted.  Linux_Fanboy | 02/22/07
SCREW MS (they do make good software though)  cplwrath | 02/22/07
Overturned  Tiggster | 02/22/07
The SCO couldn't prove anything back then ,  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Xerox PARC  Filker0_z | 02/22/07
where it really came from  cls@... | 02/23/07
I have an idea!  Linux User 147560 | 02/22/07
All patents must die [nt]  Omch'Ar | 02/22/07
All trolls will die  John L. Ries | 02/23/07
What a load of BS!  zaphod@... | 02/22/07
ROTFLMAO !!!  Intellihence | 02/22/07
You are in violation!  wininpitt | 02/25/07
what MS paid to Fraunhofer is of no concern to ALU...  doctorSpoc | 02/22/07
Yeah Stealing  wwion | 02/22/07
????  Spoon Jabber | 02/23/07
The crime  wayworld@... | 02/23/07
After all the kerfuffle  zkiwi | 02/24/07
Oops!  zkiwi | 02/24/07
Typical, M$ gets spanked and they cry foul...  Linux_Fanboy | 02/22/07
What go around comes around. Microsoft gets what they deserves.  kmlandjal | 02/22/07
I have been thinking...  Linux_Fanboy | 02/22/07
Now's the time -  ksarkies | 02/22/07
Time for Ogg Vorbis?  davidsarmstrong | 02/22/07
Freedom to do what?  alistair@... | 02/23/07
Point and Click  davidsarmstrong | 02/23/07
Yeah, I tried Windows once  Spoon Jabber | 02/23/07
Apple Unix or Linux Newnix  FewGunn | 02/23/07
I know you!  cls@... | 02/23/07
Freedom  speedhedgehog@... | 02/22/07
and the real irony is...  gregocon.nell@... | 02/23/07
Just say so, those of you who hate MS will praise it  Boot_Agnostic | 02/23/07
So can't Microsoft sue Fraunhofer?  alistair@... | 02/23/07
I'm getting tired...  Tranman123 | 02/23/07
I don't take MSFT's side very often  Chad_z | 02/23/07
It sounds like Lucent should instead go after Fraunhofer  alphawiz | 02/23/07
why do people keep using this faulty logic...  doctorSpoc | 02/23/07
MS should sue Fraunhofer  Boot_Agnostic | 02/23/07
MS would have a hard time suing Fraunhofer...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
But it might send a message about misrepresentation  Boot_Agnostic | 02/26/07
No cause to be offensive  Joschibaer | 02/23/07
if you had any idea about OSS..  mdsmedia | 02/25/07
re:MP3  Ronspruell | 02/23/07
Califreakinfornia  Carrion | 02/23/07
I Prefer To Keep Using Windows  Ole Man | 02/23/07
I'm just saying...  Carrion | 02/23/07
No Argument With You There  Ole Man | 02/24/07
where did you get the impression...  mdsmedia | 02/25/07
Amen, intellectual property protection is now outmoded.  robertrosenthal | 02/23/07
geeeze  michaelvollmer30@... | 02/23/07
Doesn't Microsoft have patent lawyers?  felix52 | 02/23/07
Even if they knew about Lucent's patents...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
So wha was the license?  mames1701 | 02/23/07
Probably not  zkiwi | 02/23/07
This isn't right.  Henaway | 02/23/07
They won't..  D-Ram | 02/23/07
So I guess MP3 isn't an open standard either.  mwagner@... | 02/23/07
not  cls@... | 02/23/07
MP3 is an open standard...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
Seems to me that Lucent's beef ...  mwagner@... | 02/23/07
I'm sick of litigation that hurts consumers  HollandM | 02/23/07
Apple Innovates?? Somebody remember Xerox Alto  micks_tricks | 02/23/07
Alto wasn't first  cls@... | 02/23/07
Somebody remember Xerox Alto - we do, we do  john@... | 12/27/07
Lucent-Fraunhopfer Connection  Doc Disco | 02/23/07
Re: If it is a partnership  shurloxmd@... | 02/23/07
Only Partially Correct  lmenningen | 02/25/07
You're blinded by your hate of MS  Boot_Agnostic | 02/23/07
Wrong Parties Sued  olivier@... | 02/23/07
History of MP3  osreinstall | 02/23/07
xbox os?  blindguyinanorgy@... | 02/23/07
I guess *.wma sucked too much, BAH! (NT)  Linux_Fanboy | 02/23/07
.wma did suck  LopinCoyote | 02/23/07
An Analogy  TripleII | 02/23/07
WHO HAS 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS?  BALTHOR | 02/23/07
GET A GRIP!  Linux_Audio | 02/23/07
You are right to a point  TripleII | 02/23/07
Reminds me of  msdead | 02/23/07
Justice for Somebody  bdazzleddesigns@... | 02/23/07
Step child....  llort0 | 02/23/07
url  llort0 | 02/23/07
But What If?  Ole Man | 02/23/07
witch hunt or not witch hunt?  WV_z | 02/23/07
Courts have a history of being narrow in view  Boot_Agnostic | 02/24/07
M$ got too greedy and got caught  HardwareGuy | 02/24/07
Um no...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
History behind MP3 and why the French like screwing us...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
Your details are way off. This started prior to 2003.  lmenten@... | 01/03/08
The Only Fair SW Patent Suit  lmenningen | 02/25/07
Never Work In A Million Years!  Ole Man | 02/26/07
Software patents are evil, even this time  cls@... | 02/26/07
Incomplete Sentence  Ole Man | 02/26/07
Review the link  Ole Man | 12/27/07
Burt says, We-re concerned about other Co's being hit with fines, hah!  jonathan swift | 02/26/07
Microsoft Haters  BernieLyons | 12/28/07
Should all the MP3 ripping software companies be sued too?????  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
I know where this will end...  jrbeaman | 12/27/07
Most interesting  Update victim | 12/27/07
Just another classic case  Crestview | 12/27/07
While your post is quite humerous...  e2001@... | 12/28/07
Lawsuits & Lawyers  BernieLyons | 12/28/07
RE: Microsoft hit with $1.5 billion patent verdict  atari8bit@... | 12/28/07
Need information  micheleh@... | 12/29/07
Legal cases like this can be notoriously complex  heres_johnny | 12/29/07
Looks more like a Lucent-Alcatel vs. Thomson patent dispute  PhilippeV | 01/14/08

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