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The guy who invented numbers, (which was actually a real great and innovative thing because before we had numbers it was pretty darn difficult to explain hom many of something there was, even if you knew),that guy should be able to licence numbers or sue for infingment. And if you knew you were not going to be using any...lets say...6's or maybe no eithts for example you could just licence up for the other digits and save some money.

People have got to keep in mind just because its amth, it isnt free, the numbers inventor guy has to have a way to put dinner on his table too.
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So then even having a license  John Zern | 02/22/07
MS's issue?  carbonred | 02/22/07
Should be?  voska | 02/22/07
Should be...  Cayble | 02/24/07
Patent abuse  wvhillbilly | 02/26/07
Agree completely!  simul8guy | 12/27/07
Is the failure at the reading level or understanding level?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
re : Is the failure at the reading level or understanding level?  Intellihence | 02/22/07
so then  xuniL_z | 02/22/07
I'm a bit confused by this too  mdsmedia | 02/22/07
Make no sense to me either!  mustang_z | 02/22/07
While I have problems with M$ tactics...  Media-Ted@... | 12/28/07
Not to mention its irrelevant to trying to negate Axes point...  Cayble | 02/24/07
so really Fraunhofer should be sued then ... not microsoft  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
Patenting S/W is like patenting math  davidsarmstrong | 02/22/07
Copyright more applicable  frgough | 02/23/07
Copyrights for software, patents for inventions  wvhillbilly | 02/26/07
Good idea, except.....  arminw | 12/28/07
Yep  IT_User | 02/22/07
Once upon a time  Update victim | 12/27/07
Erm...  zkiwi | 02/22/07
Obviously no one else does either.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
This technology of MP3 was created in a joint partnership .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
re: This technology of MP3 was created in a joint partnership  woad@... | 02/22/07
I doubt it's a witch hunt...  mdsmedia | 02/22/07
I agree!  mustang_z | 02/22/07
...(litigation) should be between Lucent and Fraunhofer  Loggies | 02/25/07
Excuse Me? re: This technology of MP3 was created in a joint partnership  marinsoftworks@... | 02/27/07
RIIIIGHT.. you hit the nail on the...  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
If it's a partnership...FRAUNHOFER should have paid Lucent  mdsmedia | 02/22/07
re: If it's a partnership...FRAUNHOFER should have paid Lucent  marinsoftworks@... | 02/27/07
so Fraunhofer should be liable and not the rest of the planet  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
True demonstration that MPEG is not a standard  PhilippeV | 01/14/08
So the question becomes...  Cayble | 02/24/07
So Fraunhofer is innocent?  lmenningen | 02/25/07
In that case...  Marty R. Milette | 12/27/07
for once I agree with you  mdsmedia | 02/22/07
Have you been following the case?  daengbo | 12/27/07
MS has a history of abuse.  richard233 | 02/22/07
License, smicense ...  abuse.this2@... | 02/22/07
Fraunhofer is recognized  lmenningen | 02/25/07
thats what many articles like this one fail to recognize  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
Good Faith research  marinsoftworks@... | 02/27/07
Here's a better story from the washington post concerning this issue .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
so what in the "" does this have to do with ms then  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
Here's another goody . This seems to be getting out of hand .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Apple takes the horses by the reign . Go APPLE GO !  Intellihence | 02/22/07
confusing...  zoroaster | 02/22/07
So then even having a license...  Willy the JOAT | 02/22/07
Microsoft hit with $1.5 billion patent verdict  Loverock Davidson | 02/22/07
How so?  tic swayback | 02/22/07
Easily  Loverock Davidson | 02/22/07
You know, they used to say that about GM, too...  Zeppo9191 | 02/22/07
Are you sure?  xuniL_z | 02/22/07
actually Lovey makes a good point  mdsmedia | 02/22/07
Why up the fine?  tic swayback | 02/22/07
It's Lovey logic....  shawkins | 02/22/07
They should only be fined what "the real cost" WOULD have been  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
No one needs more than 640k of RAM  puggsly | 02/22/07
What have you against Apple?  voska | 02/22/07
They cost too much  Loverock Davidson | 02/22/07
The truth is that you can't afford it L.D.  Intellihence | 02/22/07
I'm forced to agree with Loverock...  Raymond Danner | 02/22/07
Example?  cmjrees | 02/22/07
If you research post FACTS  puggsly | 02/22/07
RE: If you research post FACTS  Lynne's Honey | 02/24/07
The DELL chip is faster hahahahhahaha  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
then you could sue MS for not allowing  mdsmedia | 02/22/07
A small nit  wolf_z | 02/23/07
Not quite enough said...  ajole | 02/22/07
90%?!?  rx7racer | 02/22/07
Sour grapes  frgough | 02/23/07
thats only in your mind pal  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
except  Mectron | 02/22/07
Absolute garbage unless  Cayble | 02/24/07
You forget another thing  jrbeaman | 12/27/07
No they don't  puggsly | 02/22/07
windows xp pro notebooks w' wifi  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
How could you not think of Apple and MP3s?  babar77 | 02/22/07
Someone lied to you, or you didn't look into Vista very well  ajole | 02/22/07
You might be right, but...  babar77 | 02/22/07
Bravo , Bravo !  Intellihence | 02/22/07
HD/Vista Myths  woad@... | 02/22/07
You missed the CRT bit.  babar77 | 02/22/07
Wow, XP/OSX/Linux rock!!  NonZealot | 02/22/07
completely wrong  MacKeyser | 02/23/07
You are so far out to lunch you lack all credibility  Cayble | 02/24/07
why dont you explain the diff between apple crt's and everyone elses then  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
LRD what rock do you live under?  jfmiii | 02/22/07
Uhm... the topic is actually MP3 licensing....  Loggies | 02/25/07
DOH!  jrbeaman | 12/27/07
You're talking out of both sides of your mouth again, LD  Zeppo9191 | 02/22/07
re:You're talking out of both sides of your mouth again, LD  woad@... | 02/22/07
I'm sure he did...  p0figster | 02/22/07
you mean Mac OS?  galileon | 02/22/07
Linux, duh  macoafi | 02/22/07
re: Linux, duh  woad@... | 02/22/07
Well who cares?  Linux User 147560 | 02/22/07
ogg vorbis  wvhillbilly | 02/26/07
I'm not thinking OS  NonZealot | 02/22/07
Microsoft is already doing the work .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
How many iPods?  NonZealot | 02/22/07
Use OGG  davidr69 | 02/22/07
You are so right , .ogg is superior to .mp3 .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
And how many iPhones...  jrbeaman | 12/27/07
My goodness! Aren't you vicious, Mr Davidson?  labarker | 02/22/07
One slight problem with your rant...  Raymond Danner | 02/22/07
Makes no difference, the iPod  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
So if anything happens  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Apple will innovate a time machine?  NonZealot | 02/22/07
I doubt very much that APPLE will be hurt by this .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
For future reference  fuzzy2k | 02/23/07
Anything...  justanitguy | 02/23/07
Just so as you remember...  zkiwi | 02/22/07
oh, poor lovey-dovey  zoroaster | 02/22/07
Of course, it makes sense to hit the biggest supplier...  nix_hed | 02/22/07
Fines are often set based upon ...  mwagner@... | 02/23/07
Sure it makes sense...  BFD | 02/23/07
Who has to respect intellectual property rights? (nt)  Henry Miller | 02/22/07
Obviously the ones that PAID for it  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
They didn't pay Lucent Bell Labs / Alcatel you bonehead .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Really, bonehead?  RSDan | 02/23/07
One small point lost in this story...  Confused by religion | 02/22/07
Parasitic Patent Tactics  Peopleunit | 02/22/07
Too Much Common Sense  Ole Man | 02/23/07
Patent trolls  wvhillbilly | 02/26/07
generally...  zoroaster | 02/22/07
But MS wasn't originally sued...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
Mr Ballmer how you been fibbing again  martin23 | 02/22/07
I'm betting there is Linux code written into Windows Vista .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Explain the licensing to me....  xuniL_z | 02/22/07
Many folks hate MS .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Wonder if they'll sue sites that offer  Boot_Agnostic | 02/23/07
No, just losers...  BFD | 02/23/07
Hmmm trying to dominate?  willpd13 | 12/28/07
Google, GPL  Filker0_z | 02/22/07
Re: Google, GPL  criderja | 02/23/07
hah...  zoroaster | 02/22/07
Linux embedded in Windows Vista?  schwagerjt@... | 02/23/07
FIVE!  davedufour | 02/22/07
Poor Bill  martin23 | 02/22/07
Yes, you are clueless.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
You are blinded by your distaste for open source  Filker0_z | 02/22/07
Message has been deleted.  brichter | 02/22/07
Sure we do  Linux User 147560 | 02/22/07
At least I can read  martin23 | 02/22/07
Read it one more time please  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/23/07
Why Open Source doesn't pay for IP?  wvhillbilly | 02/26/07
And Apple Inovates?????????  Sean_Ssss | 02/22/07
Yes. The click-wheel is one.  babar77 | 02/22/07
Click Wheel, Whoop de Doo!!!  Sean_Ssss | 02/22/07
Cheap, innovative?  aperez@... | 02/23/07
Turbo Pascal Price  dmenke | 03/02/07
mac interface...  Mad Maximus | 02/25/07
To be fair,  Joel R | 02/23/07
Many despise Microsoft for their tactics .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Huh?  BFD | 02/23/07
Well you asked so here ya go!  Linux User 147560 | 02/22/07
What is your point?  Code Poet | 02/23/07
OMG - what an idiot  wininpitt | 02/25/07
In case you hadn't noticed...  zkiwi | 02/22/07
Time To Go Back & Read The History Again  Mr_Wizard | 02/23/07
So...  zkiwi | 02/23/07
I Don't Agree....  Mr_Wizard | 02/24/07
Well...  zkiwi | 02/24/07
Actually  wininpitt | 02/25/07
As if...  Tim Patterson | 02/22/07
Did you ever see the Simpson's episode  Linux User 147560 | 02/22/07
Don't forget Interconnects between devices.  babar77 | 02/22/07
Software patents  trm1945 | 02/22/07
Alogrithms  Filker0_z | 02/22/07
Patents a bad thing... like democracy is a bad thing..  gsmith@... | 02/23/07
Patent system needs to be overhauled!  Allstar_z | 02/25/07
When these large companies start spending $$$$$ on patent wars ...  George Mitchell | 02/22/07
Nope, that won't end it at all  ajole | 02/22/07
Just toss it out  jsjag1 | 02/22/07
Current Supreme Court discussion on the matter ...  George Mitchell | 02/22/07
Will Microsoft Pay Even for Bootlegged Copies of Windows?  archetuthus | 02/22/07
Excellent point....  mlambert890@... | 02/22/07
Microsoft well-known for stealing code...  Raymond Danner | 02/22/07
You must be dumber than a rock  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
Beg pardon  cmjrees | 02/22/07
Again you moron , MS did not pay anything to Lucent/Alcatel .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
re: Again you moron , MS did not pay anything to Lucent/Alcatel .  woad@... | 02/22/07
I use AAC on my Mac and when I boot up into Yellow Dog I use ogg  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Only one flaw in your logic.  kenhi@... | 02/22/07
Bravo!  danyetman | 02/23/07
you're an idiot!  doctorSpoc | 02/23/07
Not necessarily  D-cat | 02/25/07
Ya know when I was a lad on the Ranch  Linux User 147560 | 02/22/07
Won't work  Spoon Jabber | 02/23/07
Gawd, you really are slow  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/23/07
Doesn't matter dormin  Spoon Jabber | 02/23/07
Microsoft needs to be more responsible than...  mrlinux | 02/23/07
MS lawyers screwed the pooch  startx.jeff | 02/23/07
Maybe  D-Ram | 02/23/07
Pal, you want to see a moron  wininpitt | 02/25/07
Please Reread the Lead.  archetuthus | 02/23/07
A port of Max OS ????  DevGuy_z | 02/23/07
No such thing as "stealing code"...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
No such thing as "stealing code"..  Ole Man | 03/01/07
of course not -  zoroaster | 02/22/07
Shouldn't steal from Ma Bell  nabisho | 02/22/07
$16 MILLION is stealing?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
.mp3 was a joint venture , Lucent /Alcatel did not receive anything .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
multiple owners...  zoroaster | 02/22/07
Do you understand?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/23/07
How utterly ignorant of you  Spoon Jabber | 02/23/07
You confuse me...  D-Ram | 02/23/07
they still got use of it... made money from it...  doctorSpoc | 02/22/07
Except Ma Bell isn't the one complaining...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
This one has to be appealed  John L. Ries | 02/22/07
Precisely!  Raymond Danner | 02/22/07
They can't dispute the patent.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/22/07
Why not?  Patrick Jones | 02/22/07
Because MS said so  Spoon Jabber | 02/23/07
They paid for a DIFFERENT patent...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
John, read my post above ... Supreme Court already has it ...  George Mitchell | 02/22/07
Who actually owns the Patents ????  lipl1 | 02/22/07
Multiples  cyanblade | 02/22/07
Wait a minute, that makes too much sense.  ajole | 02/22/07
not so simple ...  zoroaster | 02/22/07
More than $16 million  NonZealot | 02/22/07
no fraunhofer does owe MS $16 mil... and MS really does owe ALU $1.5bil  doctorSpoc | 02/22/07
No, you don't understand  wininpitt | 02/25/07
deep pockets  zclayton2 | 02/23/07
They both do...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
insane  Mectron | 02/22/07
Protecting the low-life common crook"  mdsmedia | 02/22/07
more fun...  zoroaster | 02/22/07
Apple is not a monopoly  babar77 | 02/22/07
Sorry, This is a reply to Raymond Danne  babar77 | 02/22/07
Apple is losing money?  NonZealot | 02/22/07
Sorry, let me rephrase  babar77 | 02/22/07
have you left the planet for the last few years?  doctorSpoc | 02/22/07
Alot of these MS SHILL's are in denial . Poor , poor MS shill .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
The only MS hardware I own is a mouse.  ajole | 02/22/07
Not a monopoly?  Sean_Ssss | 02/22/07
So, your answer is  wininpitt | 02/25/07
Boycott?  madrucke@... | 02/22/07
that's why...  zoroaster | 02/22/07
Aw jee MS got caught  lynne1462@... | 02/22/07
Is this the same Lynn I knew on AOL as HOSTCOMPAPPL .  Intellihence | 02/22/07
This is not about MS  RSDan | 02/23/07
The blind anti-MS people  wininpitt | 02/25/07
And That Makes You?  Ole Man | 03/01/07
No, you got caught  wininpitt | 02/25/07
mp3, patents and people...  bgonetoo | 02/22/07
Ogg format is better than mp3s anyway  draciron@... | 02/22/07
quality of ogg isnt the isuue retardo boy  badolato@... | 02/22/07
Thank you for your fine opinion.  sjpatrick | 02/23/07
Well said (NT)  enduser_z | 02/23/07
true, BUT  mobrien_12@... | 02/22/07
Just re-ripped one CD and I love it  davidsarmstrong | 02/22/07
What compatibility problem?  JDThompson | 02/25/07
RE:MC OS V.1.0  BernieLyons | 02/22/07
Just a little FYI  Rick_K | 02/23/07
A bit more background to the case.  Piot | 02/22/07
Follow the link to the Washington Post , the yellow brick road  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Holy Trolling Batman!  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 02/22/07
An Insane Asylum Run By The Inmates  Ole Man | 02/22/07
the telephone,transitor,laser,transistorComputer  doctorSpoc | 02/22/07
You have your history wrong  NonZealot | 02/22/07
how/why did apple get brought into this discussion??  doctorSpoc | 02/22/07
Just Goes To Prove My Point  Ole Man | 02/23/07
transistors not invented, discovered  cls@... | 02/23/07
Patent vs Issuer of same  chillintex | 02/22/07
Message has been deleted.  Linux_Fanboy | 02/22/07
SCREW MS (they do make good software though)  cplwrath | 02/22/07
Overturned  Tiggster | 02/22/07
The SCO couldn't prove anything back then ,  Intellihence | 02/22/07
Xerox PARC  Filker0_z | 02/22/07
where it really came from  cls@... | 02/23/07
I have an idea!  Linux User 147560 | 02/22/07
All patents must die [nt]  Omch'Ar | 02/22/07
All trolls will die  John L. Ries | 02/23/07
What a load of BS!  zaphod@... | 02/22/07
ROTFLMAO !!!  Intellihence | 02/22/07
You are in violation!  wininpitt | 02/25/07
what MS paid to Fraunhofer is of no concern to ALU...  doctorSpoc | 02/22/07
Yeah Stealing  wwion | 02/22/07
????  Spoon Jabber | 02/23/07
The crime  wayworld@... | 02/23/07
After all the kerfuffle  zkiwi | 02/24/07
Oops!  zkiwi | 02/24/07
Typical, M$ gets spanked and they cry foul...  Linux_Fanboy | 02/22/07
What go around comes around. Microsoft gets what they deserves.  kmlandjal | 02/22/07
I have been thinking...  Linux_Fanboy | 02/22/07
Now's the time -  ksarkies | 02/22/07
Time for Ogg Vorbis?  davidsarmstrong | 02/22/07
Freedom to do what?  alistair@... | 02/23/07
Point and Click  davidsarmstrong | 02/23/07
Yeah, I tried Windows once  Spoon Jabber | 02/23/07
Apple Unix or Linux Newnix  FewGunn | 02/23/07
I know you!  cls@... | 02/23/07
Freedom  speedhedgehog@... | 02/22/07
and the real irony is...  gregocon.nell@... | 02/23/07
Just say so, those of you who hate MS will praise it  Boot_Agnostic | 02/23/07
So can't Microsoft sue Fraunhofer?  alistair@... | 02/23/07
I'm getting tired...  Tranman123 | 02/23/07
I don't take MSFT's side very often  Chad_z | 02/23/07
It sounds like Lucent should instead go after Fraunhofer  alphawiz | 02/23/07
why do people keep using this faulty logic...  doctorSpoc | 02/23/07
MS should sue Fraunhofer  Boot_Agnostic | 02/23/07
MS would have a hard time suing Fraunhofer...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
But it might send a message about misrepresentation  Boot_Agnostic | 02/26/07
No cause to be offensive  Joschibaer | 02/23/07
if you had any idea about OSS..  mdsmedia | 02/25/07
re:MP3  Ronspruell | 02/23/07
Califreakinfornia  Carrion | 02/23/07
I Prefer To Keep Using Windows  Ole Man | 02/23/07
I'm just saying...  Carrion | 02/23/07
No Argument With You There  Ole Man | 02/24/07
where did you get the impression...  mdsmedia | 02/25/07
Amen, intellectual property protection is now outmoded.  robertrosenthal | 02/23/07
geeeze  michaelvollmer30@... | 02/23/07
Doesn't Microsoft have patent lawyers?  felix52 | 02/23/07
Even if they knew about Lucent's patents...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
So wha was the license?  mames1701 | 02/23/07
Probably not  zkiwi | 02/23/07
This isn't right.  Henaway | 02/23/07
They won't..  D-Ram | 02/23/07
So I guess MP3 isn't an open standard either.  mwagner@... | 02/23/07
not  cls@... | 02/23/07
MP3 is an open standard...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
Seems to me that Lucent's beef ...  mwagner@... | 02/23/07
I'm sick of litigation that hurts consumers  HollandM | 02/23/07
Apple Innovates?? Somebody remember Xerox Alto  micks_tricks | 02/23/07
Alto wasn't first  cls@... | 02/23/07
Somebody remember Xerox Alto - we do, we do  john@... | 12/27/07
Lucent-Fraunhopfer Connection  Doc Disco | 02/23/07
Re: If it is a partnership  shurloxmd@... | 02/23/07
Only Partially Correct  lmenningen | 02/25/07
You're blinded by your hate of MS  Boot_Agnostic | 02/23/07
Wrong Parties Sued  olivier@... | 02/23/07
History of MP3  osreinstall | 02/23/07
xbox os?  blindguyinanorgy@... | 02/23/07
I guess *.wma sucked too much, BAH! (NT)  Linux_Fanboy | 02/23/07
.wma did suck  LopinCoyote | 02/23/07
An Analogy  TripleII | 02/23/07
WHO HAS 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS?  BALTHOR | 02/23/07
GET A GRIP!  Linux_Audio | 02/23/07
You are right to a point  TripleII | 02/23/07
Reminds me of  msdead | 02/23/07
Justice for Somebody  bdazzleddesigns@... | 02/23/07
Step child....  llort0 | 02/23/07
url  llort0 | 02/23/07
But What If?  Ole Man | 02/23/07
witch hunt or not witch hunt?  WV_z | 02/23/07
Courts have a history of being narrow in view  Boot_Agnostic | 02/24/07
M$ got too greedy and got caught  HardwareGuy | 02/24/07
Um no...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
History behind MP3 and why the French like screwing us...  Allstar_z | 02/24/07
Your details are way off. This started prior to 2003.  lmenten@... | 01/03/08
The Only Fair SW Patent Suit  lmenningen | 02/25/07
Never Work In A Million Years!  Ole Man | 02/26/07
Software patents are evil, even this time  cls@... | 02/26/07
Incomplete Sentence  Ole Man | 02/26/07
Review the link  Ole Man | 12/27/07
Burt says, We-re concerned about other Co's being hit with fines, hah!  jonathan swift | 02/26/07
Microsoft Haters  BernieLyons | 12/28/07
Should all the MP3 ripping software companies be sued too?????  pcguy777 | 12/27/07
I know where this will end...  jrbeaman | 12/27/07
Most interesting  Update victim | 12/27/07
Just another classic case  Crestview | 12/27/07
While your post is quite humerous...  e2001@... | 12/28/07
Lawsuits & Lawyers  BernieLyons | 12/28/07
RE: Microsoft hit with $1.5 billion patent verdict  atari8bit@... | 12/28/07
Need information  micheleh@... | 12/29/07
Legal cases like this can be notoriously complex  heres_johnny | 12/29/07
Looks more like a Lucent-Alcatel vs. Thomson patent dispute  PhilippeV | 01/14/08

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