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did ya hear about the new marketing campaign - open an account and get a PC
Bank runs a campaign ya know, put $20,000 into an account and get a free PC type promotion.

Only a matter of time until the low end is owned by NON MS solutions because it costs more in MS SW licenses than HW these days to run a PC.

As to MS's loyal customers, the most loyal - the power gamers are still on Windows98 (by choice) and the businesses are on Windows2000 (by choice).

After MS is forced to disclose its hidden "OS LOck" crap and the competition is able to provide interoperable solution - it will be all over for MS unless they slim down their cash flow needs (err GREED).
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Linux still a way to go.  keith.sloan | 04/30/04
You are not the target market  j.m.galvin | 04/30/04
You hit some of the Reason I still run Windows 2K  voska | 04/30/04
You are exactly right, consumers will be the last to switch.  DonnieBoy | 04/30/04
Disagree  paman57@... | 05/03/04
Re: Linux Still has a way to go  dougN | 05/03/04
Good enough...is  issthatso | 04/30/04
Business first, Then home  SC-man | 04/30/04
Exactly...  prime21 | 04/30/04
The future looks bright with FREEdom  Xunil_Sierutuf | 04/30/04
Don't you wish!  StorageGuru | 04/30/04
Being the rich means hiring the best PR people you can!  Xunil_Sierutuf | 04/30/04
Robber barons are people, too.  Anton Philidor | 04/30/04
"Good Enough" has ben good enough for Microsoft.  casbo | 04/30/04
Good Enough was good enough  StorageGuru | 04/30/04
did ya hear about the new marketing campaign - open an account and get a PC  oldskool | 04/30/04
Where did you get that?  StorageGuru | 04/30/04
Not to mention...  ShadeTree | 04/30/04
What Games?  voska | 04/30/04
XP is pushing me to Linux  voska | 04/30/04
Thank you  RedHat9User | 04/30/04
And yuo clim to know something about Windows???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
I don't have turn off Wizards in Linux  voska | 04/30/04
Wizards  PA-ITGuy | 04/30/04
Yeah, uhh, ooooooookay...     | 04/30/04
Yes, some will not switch until there are more apps.  DonnieBoy | 05/01/04
White men can't jump  StorageGuru | 04/30/04
True, but....  NemesisNL | 04/30/04
Don't speak too soon  doctormoriarty | 04/30/04
Who's gonna pay?  StorageGuru | 04/30/04
Companies still train employees  doctormoriarty | 04/30/04
Really?  Linux User 147560 | 04/30/04
Training?  NemesisNL | 05/01/04
Message has been deleted.     | 04/30/04
IBM. HP, Intel, AMD, Sun and others can jump & CAN MARKET  j.m.galvin | 04/30/04
J.M. you win the spot on prize of the day  Squawkbox | 04/30/04
Actually, B. Gates had squat to do with mainframe downfall  j.m.galvin | 04/30/04
Correction (of somebody)  Anton Philidor | 04/30/04
Your conclusion is correct  IT_User | 04/30/04
check your facts ... Gates did little to make PC buisness ready  oldskool | 04/30/04
Oh yeah - one more thing, MS was an APPLE vendor  oldskool | 04/30/04
You guys forgot CPM, ConCurrent DOS..  zackszoo | 04/30/04
Gates Quote  SC-man | 04/30/04
Where did you see that?  StorageGuru | 04/30/04
Try this  j.m.galvin | 04/30/04
tried it  eLurker | 04/30/04
Don't look now  StorageGuru | 04/30/04
You guys are arguing past one another  IT_User | 04/30/04
Thanks  j.m.galvin | 04/30/04
Right attack, wrong target  Anton Philidor | 04/30/04
False statement  NemesisNL | 05/01/04
They are NOT marketing end user systems!  balsover | 04/30/04
Whoever is telling you about business  IT_User | 04/30/04
re: huge retraining costs...  ryusen | 04/30/04
Before you can plug a hole, you have to build...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
As if Windows is a proper container  Grimm Reaper | 04/30/04
Which is it that you hate?  RedHat9User | 04/30/04
Message has been deleted.  Xunil_Sierutuf | 04/30/04
Huh  RedHat9User | 04/30/04
Violated the rules..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
Gotcha  RedHat9User | 04/30/04
LOL, well you didn't deny the Bill G. blowup doll  Xunil_Sierutuf | 04/30/04
plugging holes  eLurker | 04/30/04
see now that was funny .)  ryusen | 04/30/04
We need enought apps to get a critical mass.  DonnieBoy | 04/30/04
And only after that will I switch  zijiang | 04/30/04
Yes, consumers will be the last to switch.  DonnieBoy | 04/30/04
Bruce - Dump your Windows box  Eggs Ackley_z | 04/30/04
Don't give people what they want - tell them they're stupid!  archerjoe | 04/30/04
Better yet:  wploger | 04/30/04
Accountant  SC-man | 04/30/04
cost/benifit?  ryusen | 04/30/04
IE only  Just Me_z | 04/30/04
Switch the User Agent  Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/30/04
Plugging the Linux holes  Loverock Davidson | 04/30/04
Flimsy argument  Michael Kelly | 04/30/04
Confused- Quicken on Windows???  wploger | 04/30/04
Get on board...  Chad_z | 04/30/04
Another Reason NOT TO BUY LINUX  RobertoSalazar | 04/30/04
All right Roberto...  wploger | 04/30/04
Your visionary, McBride, just went blind....  Spam-ZD | 04/30/04
Go to bed and no internet for you!  trojanhorse | 04/30/04
Who uses cheques anymore?  voska | 04/30/04
missing the point  dabrooks | 04/30/04
Probably a losing battle  RedHat9User | 04/30/04
You're right.  Anton Philidor | 04/30/04
can't comment  RedHat9User | 04/30/04
Support by forum  Anton Philidor | 04/30/04
Support by forum  Spam-ZD | 04/30/04
"Facts" to fit  Anton Philidor | 04/30/04
What A Load That Was  nikoli | 04/30/04
reread  RedHat9User | 04/30/04
Smart custodial engineers  Anton Philidor | 04/30/04
Yeah Okay  mudfoot | 05/02/04
d be much happier if Linux would try to find its own path  wploger | 04/30/04
Why do they have to FOLLOW anyone?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
Answer: It just makes sense  voska | 04/30/04
Ease of Use is good  RedHat9User | 04/30/04
Be more specific.  Spam-ZD | 04/30/04
Get Real Spam Man  nikoli | 04/30/04
Get Real Spam Man  nikoli | 04/30/04
Not really...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
Think that's what he's suggesting?  IT_User | 04/30/04
A second place follower is okay though?  tic swayback | 04/30/04
It's really about commoditization, but you deny that, Micro$hill.  dicktaurus@... | 04/30/04
Why do they have to FOLLOW anyone?  Spam-ZD | 04/30/04
What a silly and useless post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
Wow, you mean you had no adequate response to Spam-ZD, huh?  dicktaurus@... | 04/30/04
Maybe, but you post is just plain useless  Spam-ZD | 04/30/04
Didn't use the word follow...  wploger | 04/30/04
I agree with you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
You're missing very large market segments  j.m.galvin | 04/30/04
The double edged sword!  George Mitchell | 04/30/04
One problem  RedHat9User | 04/30/04
On moving ahead  j.m.galvin | 04/30/04
I don't quite agree...  Linux_Developer | 04/30/04
short term thinking  zijiang | 04/30/04
George, you forget patents.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
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Bigger PDF problem: it reeks  Anton Philidor | 04/30/04
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Partly affirm  Anton Philidor | 04/30/04
Here's a recent example  j.m.galvin | 04/30/04
MS hopes to survive on patents?  Spam-ZD | 04/30/04
Head, meet the sand...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
A dose of reality  IT_User | 04/30/04
You aren't looking at the real picture.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
And just who are the contributors?  IT_User | 04/30/04
So they can't copy it...  Linux User 147560 | 04/30/04
Patents are a double edged sword ...  George Mitchell | 04/30/04
Agree and disagree  j.m.galvin | 04/30/04
Re: Agree and disagree  George Mitchell | 04/30/04
New Advertising Slogan  zijiang | 04/30/04
I ask an honest question.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
Ok  RedHat9User | 04/30/04
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Who knows really...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
You lost me.  Anton Philidor | 04/30/04
Could it be we need...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
Deep Thought; or, all the world's a peripheral  Anton Philidor | 04/30/04
Keep it simple  quietLee | 04/30/04
Thats why  RedHat9User | 04/30/04
Off the top of my head...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
Good ideas  Michael Kelly | 04/30/04
Chicken and egg argument is a fact of life.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
Interesting points  voska | 04/30/04
Suggestions lead to the very sins of which he questions.  John Le'Brecage | 04/30/04
And where can I buy them?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/02/04
Re: I ask an honest question.  mbraincell@... | 04/30/04
Glad to know I'm not the only one asking.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
Proprietary software is not the only place for innovation.  B.O.F.H. | 05/01/04
Not true:  wploger | 04/30/04
From the beginning  PA-ITGuy | 04/30/04
Honest question  Rick_K | 05/03/04
As honest an answer I can give  Michael Kelly | 04/30/04
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Unfortunately...  Michael Kelly | 04/30/04
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You helped prove my point on that reply  Michael Kelly | 04/30/04
Is that really true?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
Reply to No Axe  Michael Kelly | 04/30/04
Yes...  wploger | 04/30/04
And here I thought you had something to say.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
You're making his point for him  j.m.galvin | 04/30/04
Huh? What are you talking about?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
OSS doesn't necessarily mean no name brand  Michael Kelly | 04/30/04
Paying for quality  tic swayback | 04/30/04
Because I don't agree it's the case at all.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
Regardless  tic swayback | 04/30/04
tic  pschroeder@... | 04/30/04
tic, features, functions, and applications.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/01/04
To Ax; Perception  tic swayback | 05/02/04
To further make the point.  Rick_K | 05/03/04
You mean MS-DOS?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/30/04
And what has that to do with the topic?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
You asked  Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/30/04
Brand name !=  Linux User 147560 | 04/30/04
windows has become the generic OS.  B.O.F.H. | 05/02/04
You need the plans, too  StorageGuru | 04/30/04
Is Mozilla OSS?  IT_User | 04/30/04
I suspect that you are slightly confused.  B.O.F.H. | 04/30/04
Yes and No  tic swayback | 04/30/04
Let's face it.  Yen_z | 04/30/04
So why is MS Office the NUMBER 1 seller for Macs?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
A possible reason  Michael Kelly | 04/30/04
Nope...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
Because  j.m.galvin | 04/30/04
Obvious  tic swayback | 04/30/04
Obvious, its the best out there.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/30/04
Wrong again there bitty  Rick_K | 05/03/04
Simple...  wploger | 04/30/04
But what have you now?  StorageGuru | 04/30/04
Xbox  tic swayback | 04/30/04
IBM Right?  nikoli | 05/01/04
IBM makes the G5 chip.  Rick_K | 05/03/04
almost right...  jimk_z | 04/30/04
Insurance ?  mbraincell@... | 04/30/04
no Games on Linux PERFECT!  jkerr | 04/30/04
Quicken  mabricen | 04/30/04
Stomping of the little feet....  quietLee | 04/30/04
LOL, You are soooo right  nikoli | 04/30/04
Re: #4  PA-ITGuy | 05/01/04
NEXT, BeOS, OS2, Linux..Next  jimk_z | 04/30/04
Eventually  CobraA1 | 04/30/04
Message has been deleted.  trojanhorse | 04/30/04
Message has been deleted.  trojanhorse | 04/30/04
Why?  PA-ITGuy | 05/01/04
Get some games on Linux then Bravo  FilledOut | 05/04/04
Handicapped accessibility  susancragin@... | 08/31/04

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