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This is Microsoft against the government. MS already has the patent. This is the group trying to convince the government that the patent was issued incorrectly and as long as MS has held this patent, they might have a hard time doing it.
Posted by: richhayes   Posted on: 04/17/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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In my humble opinion...  ShadeTree | 04/16/04
You are correct IF...  kd5auq | 04/16/04
You are correct IF...  seosamh_z | 04/16/04
Where did you get this idea?  tic swayback | 04/16/04
..which is of no current market value except to squeeze blood out of turnip  hal9000mx | 04/17/04
MArket value? They just sold a license!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
So did SCO  tic swayback | 04/17/04
Grasping at straws now?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
You're confusing separate issues  tic swayback | 04/17/04
Difference is..  d_jedi | 04/17/04
Not really  tic swayback | 04/17/04
.. but  d_jedi | 04/17/04
As much as it pains me...  BitTwiddler | 04/16/04
Nope, sorry  IT_User | 04/16/04
A bit of a strawman  tic swayback | 04/16/04
A bit of a strawman  seosamh_z | 04/16/04
Isn't that what they're doing?  tic swayback | 04/16/04
Isn't that what they're doing?  seosamh_z | 04/16/04
Makes no difference at all.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
MS versus the USPTO?  tic swayback | 04/17/04
More to it... Courts will be involved.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Not really  IT_User | 04/17/04
Are you saying there is no appeal?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Again, MS versus the US Government  tic swayback | 04/17/04
MS v Government  richhayes | 04/17/04
I agree (to an extent)  d_jedi | 04/17/04
The basis of the request for re-examination  IT_User | 04/16/04
Spot on  Fred Fredrickson | 04/17/04
agreed  jimk_z | 04/16/04
Patents, copyrights, good; duration BAD  markgros@... | 04/17/04
what IP?  lotta_anger | 04/19/04
6 words: "Method of swing on a swing" [nt]  escoles@... | 04/19/04
Sounds Weak To Me  ballgame | 04/16/04
Only if the food they are charging you for is not theirs  IT_User | 04/16/04
Sounds like No_Ax was right  rapson | 04/16/04
No axe?  OhMyGosh | 04/16/04
From my understanding they never charged royalities for the use  hal9000mx | 04/17/04
I don't think cost is the issue.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Not so much that No_Ax has been proved right  IT_User | 04/16/04
good thing  JoeMama_z | 04/16/04
Huh? How much more right could I have been???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Re-read my post  IT_User | 04/17/04
So then I am right. Thank you for saying it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Was this license for the sole purpose  IT_User | 04/17/04
I would say it's 90% of the reason.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Will MS really bring a knife  IT_User | 04/17/04
Hmmm, has MS fought IBM before?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Thank you Carl, but I fear...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Perhaps it's because so many open source advocates are so young  hal9000mx | 04/17/04
I wouldn't argue that a bit.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Re: Thank you Carl, but I fear...  gmallen@... | 04/17/04
Weel, I wondered who the first one would be...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Can you show us something from last April?  tic swayback | 04/17/04
No, but feel free to do it if you want.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
I can't really be bothered either  tic swayback | 04/17/04
It doesn't really matter does it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
How about "potentially right"  tic swayback | 04/17/04
Nice, but no.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Again, time for you to put up or shut up  tic swayback | 04/17/04
Actually I remember the topic coming up last year  voska | 04/19/04
If the licence was free, who'd object?  Robert Carnegie | 04/19/04
I don't see the problem here  voska | 04/19/04
Samba? Huh?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/16/04
Ta Yago.  Fred Fredrickson | 04/17/04
SAMBA impplements SMB/CIFS protocol  oldskool | 04/18/04
Uh, yeah, Samba  xxyl | 04/19/04
FAT may have prior art. But NTFS should be safe.  dlu | 04/16/04
NTFS?  tic swayback | 04/16/04
A requirement  IT_User | 04/16/04
Sorry tic, they do exist and I am using them.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Whatever  tic swayback | 04/17/04
WinFS IS NOT a file system!  George Mitchell | 04/17/04
Hmm.  rkadowns | 04/17/04
Oracle allows for that too  voska | 04/19/04
FAT may have prior art. But NTFS should be safe.  hal9000mx | 04/17/04
Huh, no one uses NTFS???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Actually, that's not all  IT_User | 04/17/04
ALL PC'S SHOULD USE NTFS  V Sanders | 04/17/04
Why not?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 04/18/04
re : Huh, no one uses NTFS???  V Sanders | 04/17/04
That is funny. LOL  rkadowns | 04/17/04
MS/OSS Cultural Disconnects  escoles@... | 04/19/04
hogwash - what's so "unique" about Windows in business?  oldskool | 04/19/04
Any one with a hard drive larger than 2 GB  voska | 04/19/04
Is NTFS very original though?  reynos | 04/18/04
Unbelievable  rkadowns | 04/16/04
Actually  MkIIISupra | 04/16/04
Patents  hal9000mx | 04/17/04
Freedom  anilalias | 04/16/04
Reality  IT_User | 04/16/04
Unbelieveably slanted story  Spam-ZD | 04/16/04
Except...  rapson | 04/19/04
Why do organisations like this have to do the USPTO's job for them  hipparchus2000 | 04/17/04
That's an excellent question  IT_User | 04/17/04
M$ watch your back  drichards1953 | 04/17/04
USPTO  rkadowns | 04/17/04
Gee, I must have turned the light on for someone.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Don't sprain your wrist...  tic swayback | 04/17/04
You are mistaken...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Pitching softballs  tic swayback | 04/17/04
expensive to "fight" patent? why  hipparchus2000 | 04/17/04
It's not that simple.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Only expensive for MS  tic swayback | 04/17/04
Their lawyers are free?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
"the opposing party"  tic swayback | 04/17/04
Halfway true.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Let me spell it out for you then  tic swayback | 04/17/04
IP patents as a strategy is stupid from the get go!  oldskool | 04/18/04
Stops Innovation arguments are bogus!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Nothing to do with FAT  rkadowns | 04/17/04
You are right, it's about WinFS.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
what would happen if something was gpl's that was needed  V Sanders | 04/17/04
Not really...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
FAT's more important than you think  escoles@... | 04/19/04
SAMBA has nothing to do with FAT  oldskool | 04/19/04
Wrong  rkadowns | 04/19/04
Maybe understanding what innovation and invention is might help  voska | 04/19/04
Stops Innovation arguments are bogus!!!  sruk | 04/12/08
One of two solutions for free software  George Mitchell | 04/17/04
I agree 100%  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
You either don't understand the GPL or you are FUDing  George Mitchell | 04/17/04
You misunderstand me.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
i.e. SCO  rkadowns | 04/17/04
The difference is...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
You people are just so obtuse.  George Mitchell | 04/17/04
I see where you went wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
move along ... enuf hyperbole ... follow da money!  oldskool | 04/18/04
Just the base is free  voska | 04/19/04
who's "going to have to change with the market "?  hipparchus2000 | 04/17/04
Wrong on a number of counts.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
and how is this ANTI-Linux?  V Sanders | 04/17/04
Very true...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Agreed.  doe_z | 04/17/04
A moot point  Louis Ross Focke | 04/17/04
Linus T. says you are wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Selective Understanding Strikes Again  escoles@... | 04/19/04
The REAL story.  doe_z | 04/17/04
YOu REALLY need a letgal lesson.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Why?  doe_z | 04/17/04
Much, much more to it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Woah.... took it too far....  doe_z | 04/17/04
No, it's the same.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
I just don't see the advantage to MS  tic swayback | 04/18/04
No_Ax has been a busy poster today!  B.O.F.H. | 04/17/04
What cute little rant, care to discuss the topic.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
You have been a busy little poster here!  B.O.F.H. | 04/17/04
And still, nothig relevant to say.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
some things that I haver concluded from your posts...  B.O.F.H. | 04/18/04
How is it...  ShadeTree | 04/19/04
minutes to kill (at most)  B.O.F.H. | 04/19/04
But why would you want to?  rapson | 04/19/04
Let me clarify...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
'open source community'?  B.O.F.H. | 04/17/04
Yes, all patent holders themselves.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Microsoft is not a good company to use as an example.  B.O.F.H. | 04/17/04
Fair point, but it matters not.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
well lets see  V Sanders | 04/17/04
can ms use linux file syetm without having to obey GPL?(NT)  V Sanders | 04/17/04
Yes.  doe_z | 04/17/04
so as long as they abey the gpl license  V Sanders | 04/18/04
Oops, my bad.  doe_z | 04/18/04
You shouldn't be able to patent software  voska | 04/20/04
As much as red hat charges  V Sanders | 04/17/04
by fighting the patent  V Sanders | 04/17/04
No.  doe_z | 04/17/04
Not really the way it works.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
FAT is patented?  michael-t | 04/18/04
It's showing its age anyways  CobraA1 | 04/18/04
FAT is still useful.  doe_z | 04/18/04
For Windows, that is  CobraA1 | 04/18/04
Huh? For *EVERYTHING* it is.  escoles@... | 04/19/04
Paradygm shift - soon MS will need to license our computers  oldskool | 04/18/04
Not quite to zero  CobraA1 | 04/18/04
Yawn!  ShadeTree | 04/19/04
Forget about OSS, its economy of scale that changes things  oldskool | 04/19/04
Incredible logic  ShadeTree | 04/19/04
I don't pay rent on my DSL modem  voska | 04/19/04
Well of course group would say that  FilledOut | 04/19/04
Its not about number of patents, but number of valid patents  oldskool | 04/19/04
I see some people....  Stewart Cannon | 04/19/04
Keeping the competition out  tero_t_vaananen@... | 04/19/04
Not a secret  The-Bytemaster | 04/19/04
What nobody seems to realize...  Yen_z | 04/19/04
News on the IT Patent Issue  B.O.F.H. | 04/19/04
The Purpose of Copyright and Patent Law  dunc@... | 04/21/04
Group seeks to invalidate Microsoft patent  bigal58@... | 04/22/04
Consider Microsoft's alternative  dpatjhh | 04/22/04
RE: Group seeks to invalidate Microsoft patent  sruk | 04/12/08

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