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Thank you Carl, but I fear...
Thanks Carl, but I fear that my "fans" have always had a real problem admiting I was right and they were wrong. My guess is they will either ignore your post or come up with some convoluted reason they were right.

You know, I have many associates I don't always agree with, but I DO listen to them when they are right. Perhaps it's because so many open source advocates are so young they haven't learned some of the basics...
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In my humble opinion...  ShadeTree | 04/16/04
You are correct IF...  kd5auq | 04/16/04
You are correct IF...  seosamh_z | 04/16/04
Where did you get this idea?  tic swayback | 04/16/04
..which is of no current market value except to squeeze blood out of turnip  hal9000mx | 04/17/04
MArket value? They just sold a license!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
So did SCO  tic swayback | 04/17/04
Grasping at straws now?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
You're confusing separate issues  tic swayback | 04/17/04
Difference is..  d_jedi | 04/17/04
Not really  tic swayback | 04/17/04
.. but  d_jedi | 04/17/04
As much as it pains me...  BitTwiddler | 04/16/04
Nope, sorry  IT_User | 04/16/04
A bit of a strawman  tic swayback | 04/16/04
A bit of a strawman  seosamh_z | 04/16/04
Isn't that what they're doing?  tic swayback | 04/16/04
Isn't that what they're doing?  seosamh_z | 04/16/04
Makes no difference at all.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
MS versus the USPTO?  tic swayback | 04/17/04
More to it... Courts will be involved.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Not really  IT_User | 04/17/04
Are you saying there is no appeal?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Again, MS versus the US Government  tic swayback | 04/17/04
MS v Government  richhayes | 04/17/04
I agree (to an extent)  d_jedi | 04/17/04
The basis of the request for re-examination  IT_User | 04/16/04
Spot on  Fred Fredrickson | 04/17/04
agreed  jimk_z | 04/16/04
Patents, copyrights, good; duration BAD  markgros@... | 04/17/04
what IP?  lotta_anger | 04/19/04
6 words: "Method of swing on a swing" [nt]  escoles@... | 04/19/04
Sounds Weak To Me  ballgame | 04/16/04
Only if the food they are charging you for is not theirs  IT_User | 04/16/04
Sounds like No_Ax was right  rapson | 04/16/04
No axe?  OhMyGosh | 04/16/04
From my understanding they never charged royalities for the use  hal9000mx | 04/17/04
I don't think cost is the issue.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Not so much that No_Ax has been proved right  IT_User | 04/16/04
good thing  JoeMama_z | 04/16/04
Huh? How much more right could I have been???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Re-read my post  IT_User | 04/17/04
So then I am right. Thank you for saying it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Was this license for the sole purpose  IT_User | 04/17/04
I would say it's 90% of the reason.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Will MS really bring a knife  IT_User | 04/17/04
Hmmm, has MS fought IBM before?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Thank you Carl, but I fear...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Perhaps it's because so many open source advocates are so young  hal9000mx | 04/17/04
I wouldn't argue that a bit.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Re: Thank you Carl, but I fear...  gmallen@... | 04/17/04
Weel, I wondered who the first one would be...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Can you show us something from last April?  tic swayback | 04/17/04
No, but feel free to do it if you want.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
I can't really be bothered either  tic swayback | 04/17/04
It doesn't really matter does it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
How about "potentially right"  tic swayback | 04/17/04
Nice, but no.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Again, time for you to put up or shut up  tic swayback | 04/17/04
Actually I remember the topic coming up last year  voska | 04/19/04
If the licence was free, who'd object?  Robert Carnegie | 04/19/04
I don't see the problem here  voska | 04/19/04
Samba? Huh?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/16/04
Ta Yago.  Fred Fredrickson | 04/17/04
SAMBA impplements SMB/CIFS protocol  oldskool | 04/18/04
Uh, yeah, Samba  xxyl | 04/19/04
FAT may have prior art. But NTFS should be safe.  dlu | 04/16/04
NTFS?  tic swayback | 04/16/04
A requirement  IT_User | 04/16/04
Sorry tic, they do exist and I am using them.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Whatever  tic swayback | 04/17/04
WinFS IS NOT a file system!  George Mitchell | 04/17/04
Hmm.  rkadowns | 04/17/04
Oracle allows for that too  voska | 04/19/04
FAT may have prior art. But NTFS should be safe.  hal9000mx | 04/17/04
Huh, no one uses NTFS???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Actually, that's not all  IT_User | 04/17/04
ALL PC'S SHOULD USE NTFS  V Sanders | 04/17/04
Why not?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 04/18/04
re : Huh, no one uses NTFS???  V Sanders | 04/17/04
That is funny. LOL  rkadowns | 04/17/04
MS/OSS Cultural Disconnects  escoles@... | 04/19/04
hogwash - what's so "unique" about Windows in business?  oldskool | 04/19/04
Any one with a hard drive larger than 2 GB  voska | 04/19/04
Is NTFS very original though?  reynos | 04/18/04
Unbelievable  rkadowns | 04/16/04
Actually  MkIIISupra | 04/16/04
Patents  hal9000mx | 04/17/04
Freedom  anilalias | 04/16/04
Reality  IT_User | 04/16/04
Unbelieveably slanted story  Spam-ZD | 04/16/04
Except...  rapson | 04/19/04
Why do organisations like this have to do the USPTO's job for them  hipparchus2000 | 04/17/04
That's an excellent question  IT_User | 04/17/04
M$ watch your back  drichards1953 | 04/17/04
USPTO  rkadowns | 04/17/04
Gee, I must have turned the light on for someone.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Don't sprain your wrist...  tic swayback | 04/17/04
You are mistaken...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Pitching softballs  tic swayback | 04/17/04
expensive to "fight" patent? why  hipparchus2000 | 04/17/04
It's not that simple.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Only expensive for MS  tic swayback | 04/17/04
Their lawyers are free?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
"the opposing party"  tic swayback | 04/17/04
Halfway true.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Let me spell it out for you then  tic swayback | 04/17/04
IP patents as a strategy is stupid from the get go!  oldskool | 04/18/04
Stops Innovation arguments are bogus!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Nothing to do with FAT  rkadowns | 04/17/04
You are right, it's about WinFS.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
what would happen if something was gpl's that was needed  V Sanders | 04/17/04
Not really...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
FAT's more important than you think  escoles@... | 04/19/04
SAMBA has nothing to do with FAT  oldskool | 04/19/04
Wrong  rkadowns | 04/19/04
Maybe understanding what innovation and invention is might help  voska | 04/19/04
Stops Innovation arguments are bogus!!!  sruk | 04/12/08
One of two solutions for free software  George Mitchell | 04/17/04
I agree 100%  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
You either don't understand the GPL or you are FUDing  George Mitchell | 04/17/04
You misunderstand me.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
i.e. SCO  rkadowns | 04/17/04
The difference is...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
You people are just so obtuse.  George Mitchell | 04/17/04
I see where you went wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
move along ... enuf hyperbole ... follow da money!  oldskool | 04/18/04
Just the base is free  voska | 04/19/04
who's "going to have to change with the market "?  hipparchus2000 | 04/17/04
Wrong on a number of counts.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
and how is this ANTI-Linux?  V Sanders | 04/17/04
Very true...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Agreed.  doe_z | 04/17/04
A moot point  Louis Ross Focke | 04/17/04
Linus T. says you are wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Selective Understanding Strikes Again  escoles@... | 04/19/04
The REAL story.  doe_z | 04/17/04
YOu REALLY need a letgal lesson.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Why?  doe_z | 04/17/04
Much, much more to it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Woah.... took it too far....  doe_z | 04/17/04
No, it's the same.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
I just don't see the advantage to MS  tic swayback | 04/18/04
No_Ax has been a busy poster today!  B.O.F.H. | 04/17/04
What cute little rant, care to discuss the topic.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
You have been a busy little poster here!  B.O.F.H. | 04/17/04
And still, nothig relevant to say.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
some things that I haver concluded from your posts...  B.O.F.H. | 04/18/04
How is it...  ShadeTree | 04/19/04
minutes to kill (at most)  B.O.F.H. | 04/19/04
But why would you want to?  rapson | 04/19/04
Let me clarify...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
'open source community'?  B.O.F.H. | 04/17/04
Yes, all patent holders themselves.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
Microsoft is not a good company to use as an example.  B.O.F.H. | 04/17/04
Fair point, but it matters not.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
well lets see  V Sanders | 04/17/04
can ms use linux file syetm without having to obey GPL?(NT)  V Sanders | 04/17/04
Yes.  doe_z | 04/17/04
so as long as they abey the gpl license  V Sanders | 04/18/04
Oops, my bad.  doe_z | 04/18/04
You shouldn't be able to patent software  voska | 04/20/04
As much as red hat charges  V Sanders | 04/17/04
by fighting the patent  V Sanders | 04/17/04
No.  doe_z | 04/17/04
Not really the way it works.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/17/04
FAT is patented?  michael-t | 04/18/04
It's showing its age anyways  CobraA1 | 04/18/04
FAT is still useful.  doe_z | 04/18/04
For Windows, that is  CobraA1 | 04/18/04
Huh? For *EVERYTHING* it is.  escoles@... | 04/19/04
Paradygm shift - soon MS will need to license our computers  oldskool | 04/18/04
Not quite to zero  CobraA1 | 04/18/04
Yawn!  ShadeTree | 04/19/04
Forget about OSS, its economy of scale that changes things  oldskool | 04/19/04
Incredible logic  ShadeTree | 04/19/04
I don't pay rent on my DSL modem  voska | 04/19/04
Well of course group would say that  FilledOut | 04/19/04
Its not about number of patents, but number of valid patents  oldskool | 04/19/04
I see some people....  Stewart Cannon | 04/19/04
Keeping the competition out  tero_t_vaananen@... | 04/19/04
Not a secret  The-Bytemaster | 04/19/04
What nobody seems to realize...  Yen_z | 04/19/04
News on the IT Patent Issue  B.O.F.H. | 04/19/04
The Purpose of Copyright and Patent Law  dunc@... | 04/21/04
Group seeks to invalidate Microsoft patent  bigal58@... | 04/22/04
Consider Microsoft's alternative  dpatjhh | 04/22/04
RE: Group seeks to invalidate Microsoft patent  sruk | 04/12/08

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