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What's broken in this thinking is its not OSS that's shut out -: While what you suggest does provide a very limited work around, it does not allow it to be seen by "many eyes" or used by the open source community.

Things like data formats are actually used by the customers, they are supported by the vendors.

If MS precludes an OSS tool from pushing data into an MS app, or an MS app from pushing data into an OSS tool, how does that benefit either MS or the end user?

Look at it from the point of view of a State which has statutory obligations to safegaurd and archive data, what difference does it make what's on the other side of the interface - doesn't MS want Visio to be used as the visualization tool?

MS has to stop trying to limit interoperability or it will continue to create problems for itself. Use all the patents or licenses you want, the customers own the data not the vendors. Customers choose which vendors get to see the data, and MS still doesn't really respect this fundamental point!; Posted by: oldskool Posted on: 04/15/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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Now did that hurt anybody? And, is it complete? oldskool | 04/15/04

Good for everyone,,,, except Open Source. No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

On OOo, yes... on StarOffice, no Michael Kelly | 04/15/04

Star Office is not open source... No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

What's broken in this thinking is its not OSS that's shut out - oldskool | 04/15/04

Problem is MS only has one hand Jay Cash | 04/15/04

True, that's why users love MS products. No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

This is not a Microsoft problem B.O.F.H. | 04/15/04

Sorry, I have to disagree. No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

Users did not make Office the standard! oldskool | 04/15/04

So then how is it... No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

Why is it then that... No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

Well???? No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

Users did not make Office the standard! seosamh_z | 04/15/04

You "Office makes the world go round" guys are too funny oldskool | 04/16/04

Then Open Source needs to start preempting MS Michael Kelly | 04/15/04

How can open source... No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

A couple things... Michael Kelly | 04/15/04

Balmer answered this question himself oldskool | 04/15/04

Then Open Source needs to start preempting MS seosamh_z | 04/15/04

100% spot on. No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

Nonsense, R&D costs IBM on every platform! oldskool | 04/15/04

Say what? No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

Ya gotta admit, MS would be awsome if they focused! oldskool | 04/15/04

Actually, it's easier than that IT_User | 04/15/04

BSD is Open Source Yagotta B. Kidding | 04/15/04

When you "close the door" Jay Cash | 04/15/04

True, I always... No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

What does Linus T. say about it? No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

MS may actually benefit the industry IT_User | 04/15/04

Interesting and thoughtful post. Jose Jimenez | 04/15/04

Yes but.. No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

Doesn't bitty ever get tired of hearing himself crow? Spam-ZD | 04/16/04

GPL not tested in court??? IT_User | 04/16/04

Patent wars? IT_User | 04/16/04

Whoa, back up a couple of feet. No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

this has nothing to do with open source V Sanders | 04/15/04

Mountain out of a molehill, as usual, Axe... Jose Jimenez | 04/15/04

Unless you get caught of course. No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

Huh?? Jose Jimenez | 04/15/04

I was talking about your example. No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

Even so..... Jose Jimenez | 04/15/04

Wrong... No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

Explain that one to me please.... Jose Jimenez | 04/15/04

From Microsoft's web site: No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

Did that explain it Jose? No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

Yeah, here's your license..... Jose Jimenez | 04/15/04

So you agree, you must have a license. No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

I never said you didn't Jose Jimenez | 04/15/04

So your claim... No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

Is this where you smugly claim to have won the debate? Jose Jimenez | 04/15/04

Don't be so hard on No_Ax... B.O.F.H. | 04/15/04

What has that to do with the discusion.. No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

Just helpiing your arguement about the evils of Open Source B.O.F.H. | 04/15/04

There did that help your little ego? No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

No ego involved here, not even needed! B.O.F.H. | 04/15/04

Daid the little one that can't post without insults. No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

No_Ax, is that the best you can do? B.O.F.H. | 04/15/04

NO, I can't come close to your insultive behaviour. No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/15/04

No_Ax, a quick serach on google will show that you have gone farther! B.O.F.H. | 04/15/04

isn't that like stalking V Sanders | 04/15/04

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