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Reply to both you and Axe's post above.
I'm 48 and been around IBM since 1958 (raised in an IBM family, and have seen the company from the inside since way, way before the PC). Have been using micros since before either the PC or Mac. The graphics industry as a whole went to micros long before any other major industry (in 1968, Compugraphic introduced their Compuwriter line of low-cost digital typesetters, which I learned to operate and repair, along with another early micro-based typesetter, the Itek Quadritek line circa 1974). I currently build Wintel, Mac (yes, I refurbish many old Macs using many non-Apple parts, even though Apple truly tries to make it hard for you), Linux systems and a couple other graphic-arts-specific systems you've probably never heard of. The graphic arts industry is generally several steps ahead of the rest of the industry as a whole and early adopters are the norm rather than the exception (example: I was using magneto-optical discs, the predecessor of our modern CD-RWs, by 1992 and they weren't all that new in the graphic arts industry when I first got my hands on one. 2-gig 'shuttle' drives were also common then in an era when Mac and PC users were bragging about dropping a grand or two to buy a 400-meg IDE drive).

There was absolutely nothing open about DOS. Microsoft purchased it whole-cloth from Seattle Computer Products and modified it little, by all accounts, from its QDOS predecessor. And most importantly, Microsoft tried its best to kill DOS clones in the market, and even competing office productivity suites. I guess you're too young to remember the old saying "DOS ain't done until Lotus won't run." Your use of the terms "openeness" (sic) and "Microsoft" in the same sentence is disingenuous in the extreme. Poor example that kills your argument rather than buttresses it.
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