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>power outage was blamed on power swings due to a
server that froze in ohio, it was an m$ server. do a google
search

"Those are viruses, not flaws. They exploit flaws. MS is to
blame for the flaws; the miscreants who wrote the viruses
are to blame for them. The companies that got "hit" by
them have their admins to blame; it's not hard to protect
yourself."

> the FLAWS in windows ALLOWS crackers to write VIRII
that will exploit the FLAW. what don't you understand?

"Most project managers I know have better grammar and
aren't quite so childish in their treatment of others, so I
think it is safe to assume you have not yet achieved that
level yourself. You come across more like a college kid,
honestly. Most admins don't get paid overtime period, and
most would be fired if their company kept getting hit by the
"virus of the month." A good admin can keep any set of
systems secure and most Windows admins have NEVER
been hit by any of the virus, worms, etc. that fly around
because they actually do their jobs and stay on top of these
issues."

better grammar? please elaborate... most admins don't get
paid OT? huh? sure if these admins are hired directly. many
companies hire outside on contract where they charge by
the hour, not by the week. and m$ issues cost alot of
money! i think the remark about winndow admins never hit
by virii, worms, flaws, etc is ridiculous knowing that some
m$ patches have been KNOWN to open gaping holes. btw,
i'm probably older than you and have more experience. you
high school boys graduate and think that all you need to do
is know windows, well get over it. depending on only ONE
solution is asking for trouble, especially when that solution
is the weakest link. obviously you never touched a *nix box
are a PowerMac
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@Stake  mlprice | 10/29/03
RE: @Stake  JakAttak | 10/29/03
SECURITY FIXES AVAILABLE  FreeBSD | 10/29/03
Fixes ONLY for Mac OS X v10.3 and Server v10.3.  dicktaurus@... | 10/30/03
agree! and now they are spreading M$ FUD  screaming silence | 10/29/03
No doubt!  KTLA | 10/29/03
*ahem*  ambiguity | 10/29/03
There you go using common sense. STOP IT!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/29/03
when there's finally a decent discussion...  ambiguity | 10/29/03
I couldn't agree more!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/29/03
Reply to no_axe_to_grind's message  d_jedi | 10/29/03
debate is good...  ambiguity | 10/29/03
patch this  broadway al | 10/30/03
Can you say hypocrite?  NoB$ | 11/01/03
Didn't MS have to bail Apple out...  John Zern | 10/29/03
Ummm you happen to be off by about 15 miles...  Hard Cider | 10/30/03
Umm, you had better check the Apple site.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/29/03
i have a dull axe to grind  stephen732@... | 10/29/03
Wibble...  Sam_Lowry | 10/29/03
i wouldn't trust...  stephen732@... | 10/29/03
Bob  Sam_Lowry | 10/29/03
Don - Where are you now????  bgoss@... | 11/01/03
the king still has no clothes  sackbut | 10/30/03
@STAKE ADVISORY  maxs | 11/26/03
@Stake and Dan Geer  mlprice | 10/29/03
What's the difference?  rapson | 10/29/03
Exactly.  Fred Fredrickson | 10/29/03
show link, you're credibility is @stake  stephen732@... | 10/29/03
whats a fake flaw?  JoeMama_z | 10/29/03
sigh  stephen732@... | 10/29/03
Good grief  pschroeder@... | 10/29/03
Good try  stephen732@... | 10/31/03
sad try, as usual  pschroeder@... | 11/01/03
how can you compare a vunerablity with a mess  broadway al | 10/30/03
Obscure argument  Fred Fredrickson | 10/31/03
Difference?! = When prof'l analysts turn into prof'l ****** for monopolists  dicktaurus@... | 10/30/03
Another M$ shill rears his brainless head.  NoB$ | 11/01/03
@stake  d_jedi | 10/29/03
@Stake a puppet of Microsoft? The ones who fired Greer!  nagromme | 10/29/03
Yep, @stake IS a 'Ho for M$BS and FUD.  dicktaurus@... | 10/31/03
Huh, $129 for a bug fix?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/29/03
Give Apple a minute or two  tic swayback | 10/29/03
Older OS's???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/29/03
Just announced, but fixed in the new OS?  default user_z | 10/29/03
Re: Just announced, but fixed in the new OS?  issthatso | 10/29/03
Apple IS going to update Jaguar!  MacGeek2121 | 11/03/03
Ha ha, if only Apple had thought to add FEATURES to Panther wink  nagromme | 10/29/03
$129 for a .1 upgrade? Dang that's cheap.  DanBirchall | 10/29/03
ok first off its windows 2000, end of story...  JoeMama_z | 10/29/03
Service packs. Hmm.  DanBirchall | 10/29/03
SP2 should be 1st quarter of next year i think.  JoeMama_z | 10/29/03
re: if I was a mac user...  bgoss@... | 10/29/03
Right!  KTLA | 10/29/03
why wasn't that stuff in the origional OSX?  JoeMama_z | 10/29/03
Because, Joe  Fred Fredrickson | 10/29/03
Fred...  JoeMama_z | 10/29/03
KTLA...  pschroeder@... | 10/29/03
Sam, get a grip! Take your meds (LOL). Listen...  dicktaurus@... | 10/30/03
Not so obvious to me  sackbut | 10/30/03
If you had the Microsoft beta...  dscherf | 10/30/03
Upgrade security patching  pschroeder@... | 10/29/03
Not to mention, Panther is NOT a point upgrade  nagromme | 10/29/03
RE: Not to mention, Panther is NOT a point upgrade  JakAttak | 10/30/03
Agreed.  dicktaurus@... | 10/30/03
It's OS X 10.3  dscherf | 10/30/03
You must be confused Bitty....  Rick_K | 10/29/03
No confusion here  voska | 10/30/03
You are pretty confused too  AxleMunshine | 10/30/03
Windows NT 4.0  dscherf | 10/30/03
Huh, $199 for a bunch of new bugs  Len Rooney | 10/29/03
Bitty, a legend in his own mind.  NoB$ | 11/01/03
Jaguar Upgade  MacGeek2121 | 11/03/03
******* @ STAKE!!!  JoeMama_z | 10/29/03
Amen  pschroeder@... | 10/29/03
Gunfights Require Ammunition  Harry Bardal | 10/29/03
debating for the privilege of paying for a security patch?  JoeMama_z | 10/29/03
Language  Harry Bardal | 10/29/03
For those with double digit I.Q.s  Rick_K | 10/29/03
Unlike windows xp, which is a bug patch of NT  sackbut | 10/30/03
Congratulations Rick...  toadlife | 11/02/03
Joe  pschroeder@... | 10/29/03
Thats all im really tryin to say.  JoeMama_z | 10/29/03
Completely missing the point  pschroeder@... | 10/29/03
Nothing @ Stake  Harry Bardal | 10/29/03
I am glad your happy.  JoeMama_z | 10/29/03
I'm Sorry You're Not  Harry Bardal | 10/29/03
hmmm  JoeMama_z | 10/29/03
re: hmmm  bgoss@... | 10/30/03
If you're not a Mac user...  dscherf | 10/30/03
It figures  Stewart Cannon | 10/29/03
FUD Works!  ndelc | 10/29/03
FUD or blowing their own horn?  Fred Fredrickson | 10/29/03
Not the same Dave  ndelc | 10/29/03
But same @Stake (NT)  Fred Fredrickson | 10/29/03
yes the new talkback does suck...  JoeMama_z | 10/29/03
RE: ZDNet Doesn't Work!  JakAttak | 10/30/03
What does the title mean?  ndelc | 10/29/03
Install Windows XP Professional on X86 hardware  usapride | 10/29/03
Amazing  ndelc | 10/29/03
yea his opinion is wrong!  JoeMama_z | 10/29/03
Can I get some of that...  Rick_K | 10/29/03
What else have you used?  NoB$ | 11/01/03
"people born in prison"  pschroeder@... | 11/01/03
@Stake is.....  Rick_K | 10/29/03
Dear @Stake,  Len Rooney | 10/29/03
This is very boring (new posting system)  usapride | 10/29/03
Not only boring, but...  BitTwiddler | 10/30/03
Article Renaming?  BitTwiddler | 10/30/03
Huh?  ndelc | 10/30/03
Ok, throw me a fricken' bone here...  BitTwiddler | 10/31/03
then don't buy them  ndelc | 10/31/03
imagine  pschroeder@... | 11/01/03
Hmmm  dscherf | 11/01/03
?  pschroeder@... | 11/01/03
Prefers to pay much more for virusware.  NoB$ | 11/01/03
oki dokie  JoeMama_z | 11/02/03
re:  pschroeder@... | 11/01/03
It's not a point upgrade  Rick_K | 10/30/03
ZDnet doesnt understand its terminology?  doh123 | 10/30/03
Spinsters in full swing as usual.  vdraken | 10/30/03
Apple could stop it....  default user_z | 10/30/03
Looks who's spinning the BS  Rick_K | 10/30/03
Questions  V-Train | 10/30/03
@Stake issued this story for it's master.  Rick_K | 10/30/03
Or maybe..  default user_z | 10/31/03
Apple Security Updates  seehunt | 10/30/03
Where's the new headline?  ndelc | 10/31/03
Front Page now  jonnormand | 10/31/03
Eat crow much Bit, Ardian?  tic swayback | 10/31/03
Stuff a sock in it...  pschroeder@... | 10/31/03
As if...  tic swayback | 10/31/03
It's possible  pschroeder@... | 10/31/03
but highly unlikely  tic swayback | 10/31/03
maybe not  pschroeder@... | 11/01/03
Fallacious reasoning  dscherf | 11/01/03
Sure, Peter, 'cept only M$ was ADJUDGED evil, and Apple has the good record  dicktaurus@... | 10/31/03
ridiculous  pschroeder@... | 11/01/03
Being an M$ shill really is stressful, huh  NoB$ | 11/01/03
NoB$? sad...  pschroeder@... | 11/01/03
Go pete  JoeMama_z | 11/02/03
I like the phrase because that's what it is...  dscherf | 11/02/03
Jumping threads...  pschroeder@... | 11/02/03
Too bad you're so closed minded...  dscherf | 11/02/03
huh?  pschroeder@... | 11/02/03
one last thing  pschroeder@... | 11/02/03
Apple never did say otherwise  dscherf | 10/31/03
nor did they say they would  pschroeder@... | 11/01/03
JAGUAR != PANTHER  dscherf | 11/01/03
re:  pschroeder@... | 11/01/03
Not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing  dscherf | 11/01/03
Not sure what you and I are disagreeing on...  pschroeder@... | 11/01/03
Fallacious reasoning  dscherf | 11/02/03
you like that phrase, don't you?  pschroeder@... | 11/02/03
Now we know what trolls eat  dscherf | 10/31/03
Nothing to see here, there are never Apple issues  FilledOut | 10/31/03
Paying for a patch  NoB$ | 11/01/03
Being an ignorant rube...  pschroeder@... | 11/01/03
The shoe fits on both feet  dscherf | 11/01/03
Which is good...  pschroeder@... | 11/01/03
Well, you know....  BitTwiddler | 11/01/03
(NT) Exactly right  pschroeder@... | 11/02/03
Be glad they don't charge what.....  Rick_K | 11/04/03
I would've expected nothing less from Apple  jovi1947 | 11/02/03

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