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Bundling US Citizen Property
It is my understanding that PDF was originally developed with US government funding and hence US tax payers have a right to free PDF generating tools.

None US tax payors have no such right.

This is the same issue that Microsoft is fighting the University of California at Berkelely over.

Instead of paying for what US tax payers built at Berkeley and inspite of being told to pay by US courts, Microsoft refuses to the point of removing technology from IE rather than comply.

Think of it this way:

The US tax payors own a software development firm that is unnamed so lets call it US FedSoft.

If a private firm wants to make money with software developed through US FedSoft they need to make arangements. Adobe was hired by US FedSoft to create PDF and as a condition of the hiring likely contracted to use PDF in its own for profit efforts. Microsoft does not have such an arrangement and hence must rely on plug ins.

Through plug in support for PDF, USFedSoft protects the intelectual property of US Citizens while also giving US Citizens the value they paid for.

Presumably the download will not be available in EU, China, etc until value of some form compensates.

Microsoft is out of line in bundling intelectual property of US Citizens into products targeted for other countries. There is no way around that. It is the same issue Boeing has when they take technology developed for the military and bundle that into commercial planes sold out of country.

PDF is what makes America greater than other countries. Well you get the idea.

Frank L. Mighetto CCP
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With all the free programs...  Anton Philidor | 06/02/06
Are we sure that all it does is convert?  Michael Kelly | 06/02/06
Microsoft bought a license from Adobe  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
You keep telling us that  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/02/06
Keep watching, it will all come out.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
As I said, it has nothing to do with PDF.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
It's not so much that they're 'scared...'  A_Pickle | 06/02/06
This could break other applications  alcedes | 06/02/06
Would users of "other applications"...  Anton Philidor | 06/02/06
And with all the free pdf programs  Boot_Agnostic | 06/02/06
You're right. Reader has become sluggish...  Anton Philidor | 06/02/06
Reader bogs down modern computers...  A_Pickle | 06/02/06
Can't have it both ways  Roger Ramjet | 06/02/06
Why not?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/02/06
Yeah, but ....  Linux_4u! | 06/02/06
NO... Open Office reads/writes to Office  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
Read it again, No_Ax  bidemytime | 06/02/06
Two words  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/02/06
Ok, STAROFFICE a commecial app.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
Which has ...  Linux_4u! | 06/02/06
Licensed from Microsoft?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
Keep up here, No_Ax  Zeppo9191 | 06/02/06
Zeppo, StarOffice licenses anything from MS?  Boot_Agnostic | 06/02/06
Zeppo, I understand he was confused  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
"Run Along" ??  bidemytime | 06/02/06
Don gets cranky  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/02/06
Who's Don?  bidemytime | 06/02/06
Nope...  John L. Ries | 06/02/06
Microsoft has done nothing wrong here.  JeremyAllison | 06/02/06
Bundling US Citizen Property  mighetto | 06/02/06
How much do you want to bet?  seosamh_z | 06/02/06
StarOffice  neutro511@... | 06/02/06
And of Sun's Star?  Boot_Agnostic | 06/02/06
Report: Microsoft expects Adobe to file antitrust suit  Loverock Davidson | 06/02/06
Spyglass revisted  Spikey_Mike | 06/02/06
OpenXML  Roger Ramjet | 06/02/06
We need that kid from X-Men 3 to drain your Fanboy Powers.  olePigeon | 06/02/06
Good god.  A_Pickle | 06/02/06
Lovey/Anton ...  Linux_4u! | 06/02/06
Keep reading.  3D0G | 06/02/06
Semantics ...  Linux_4u! | 06/02/06
Disagree  richhayes | 06/02/06
Asked for by name  Loverock Davidson | 06/02/06
Ah come on ....  Linux_4u! | 06/02/06
Thats right  Loverock Davidson | 06/02/06
More importantly, Loverock...  Zeppo9191 | 06/02/06
Easily  Loverock Davidson | 06/02/06
This is a perfect example...  ju1ce | 06/02/06
Proprietary but "open", ...  Anton Philidor | 06/02/06
Proprietary format?  Spikey_Mike | 06/02/06
You are so full of it.  A_Pickle | 06/02/06
Big Mistake Adobe  bka1959 | 06/02/06
Probably went more like this...  olePigeon | 06/02/06
Ah...  A_Pickle | 06/02/06
Makes sense  Tim Patterson | 06/02/06
Speculation?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/02/06
My guess  j.m.galvin | 06/02/06
"corruption of the standard"  Anton Philidor | 06/02/06
What about open office?  ITTech001 | 06/02/06
apples and oranges  bitfuzzy | 06/02/06
Again ....  Linux_4u! | 06/02/06
Lotus Notes, StarOffice, Corel, etc. etc.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
No ...  Linux_4u! | 06/02/06
Dude, that has nothing to do with PDF...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
Here's a clue, we are talking about PDF.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
He's using a metaphor, No_Ax. Sheeeesh! (nt)  Zeppo9191 | 06/02/06
No, he is simply clueless.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
Incorrect  j.m.galvin | 06/02/06
You are right ...  Linux_4u! | 06/02/06
Still, with an open format  Boot_Agnostic | 06/02/06
Who knows  j.m.galvin | 06/02/06
Ahh, the voice of wisdom!  Zeppo9191 | 06/02/06
Probably is "Save as..."  Anton Philidor | 06/02/06
adobe on the wrong side  hopefulcoder | 06/02/06
Reverse Engineered?  baggins_z | 06/02/06
There is  osreinstall | 06/02/06
Don't see the point...  Anti_Zealot | 06/02/06
It's all about MS Expression  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
Like they are of MS Publisher?  j.m.galvin | 06/02/06
How much have you used Expression?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
there a few thing seem no right  toxicfreak | 06/02/06
I think this is all speculation...  Monkey_MCSE | 06/02/06
Is it just me...  Rick_K | 06/02/06
Don't think Adobe's going to win this one  John L. Ries | 06/02/06
Ever seen anyone that DID win against M$?  Roger Ramjet | 06/02/06
What about Eolas? (NT)  rapson | 06/02/06
Sun and Java, sort of (NT)  TheHonestTruth | 06/02/06
Guatemalan programmer on Excel code. (NT)  osreinstall | 06/02/06
More information: Adobe charges for its converter.  Anton Philidor | 06/02/06
That's simply Acrobat  j.m.galvin | 06/02/06
Okay.  Anton Philidor | 06/02/06
Anton, I'm surprised at you!  quietLee | 06/02/06
Sun set the conditions on Microsoft's Java  Anton Philidor | 06/02/06
I think we are talking past each other...  quietLee | 06/02/06
And...  Anton Philidor | 06/02/06
Referring only to the JVM situation  quietLee | 06/02/06
What's the problem ....  TheHonestTruth | 06/02/06
$50 bet for any takers  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
Give good odds.  Anton Philidor | 06/02/06
No, you can still cry to Monti boy  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
No_Ax_to_Grind is obsessed with Mario Monti.  B.O.F.H. | 06/02/06
MS is just another developer for this discussion...  htotten | 06/02/06
They did...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/06
I don't think so....  htotten | 06/02/06
Another way to look at it this:  htotten | 06/02/06
They can always clone it.  John L. Ries | 06/02/06
Adobe has it wrong I think  glocks out | 06/02/06
Whose monopoly?  zdarthurhu | 06/02/06
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Would including PDF in Vista ...  PB_z | 06/03/06
I HATE the PDF file format because...  BlazeEagle | 06/04/06
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