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bitty hopes nobody notices the troubles with his demi-god: ---I doubt you have been keeping up with the news on this but the Munich "switch" is proving to be a disaster.---

Let me see, switching to an entirely new platform causes a few problems. Gee, how amazing. Who would have ever thought?

bitty loves to trot out something as insignificant as this as proof Linux isn't ready for the enterprise. Boy, do I have a few surprises for you bitty.

Surprise first, the Army's struggle with AD is now going on three+ years and that is staying with the same platform. They're going from nt 4.0 to w2k. Where is the MS magic that is supposed to make this work, bitty? Their troubles make the few, insignificant problems in Munich pale in comparison.

Surprise second, the unified Navy, Marine network, again, with bitty's supported platform, MS, has so many problems they have totoally scrapped the plan, hired a new contractor and started over at square one. Two for two failures, both starting with MS, both moving to MS, both such miserable failures they are on the verge of being scrapped and placed in mothballs.

Tell us again, bitty, how MS waves it's magic wand and everything just magically happens. Of course, we won't be able to see it. We're not in bittyland.; Posted by: NoB$ Posted on: 02/29/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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(NT) ... and who said that competition was not in the consumer's interest? Plain Logic | 02/27/04

Bit Byte/No_Ax/Shadetree/No_Life did Bobby Sskcat | 02/27/04

Little one, how many times must I correct you? No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

A bit of court action helps too... Fred Fredrickson | 02/29/04

Think what would happen to US prices if the US Govt fully endorsed Linux !! Plain Logic | 02/27/04

Think what kind of discounts ANY large company could get. DonnieBoy | 02/28/04

They would be in as much trouble as Munich. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

Give us the links describing the problems in Munich. DonnieBoy | 02/28/04

Please, learn to do your own home work. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

Ok, I did not find any calling it a "disaster" DonnieBoy | 02/28/04

Call a failure anything you care too. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

Call a failure anything you care too. Chipper1963 | 02/28/04

Just what is a failure? Jay Cash | 02/28/04

It ain't failed yet. They are only in the planning phase. DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

Where's the beef, bitty? NoB$ | 02/29/04

I just don't get it ... P. Douglas | 02/29/04

market driven improvement tic swayback | 03/01/04

Why not play with Navy problems for a while IT_User | 02/29/04

Why not play with Navy problems for a while Chipper1963 | 02/29/04

Another thing, you don't actually have to switch. DonnieBoy | 02/28/04

Buzzzttt. Wrong. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

psst... stephen732@... | 02/28/04

bitty is wishing again NoB$ | 02/29/04

In this case they decided to switch, but they could have taken the discount DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

And how much trouble is Munich in? Jay Cash | 02/28/04

bitty thought this was journalism NoB$ | 02/29/04

bitty hopes nobody notices the troubles with his demi-god NoB$ | 02/29/04

Not to worry......... nite_w0lf | 02/27/04

DoJ bows to m$ pressure stephen732@... | 02/28/04

WindowsOverseas = free solprovider | 02/27/04

re: WindowsOverseas = free stephen732@... | 02/28/04

Price is not the key pa2004 | 02/27/04

what is your point? stephen732@... | 02/28/04

REDUCED SIZED WINDOWS??? Timothyked | 02/28/04

oops Timothyked | 02/28/04

oops Chipper1963 | 02/28/04

Version Timothyked | 04/01/04

FREEdom prevails against any price! Xunil_Sierutuf | 02/28/04

Buying Linux products.... rock06r | 02/28/04

Yeah, go! Go! Jay Cash | 02/28/04

You're missing it. lifeiseasy | 02/29/04

And your marketing degree came from....a box of cracker jacks? NoB$ | 02/29/04

The implication being that... rock06r | 02/29/04

exactly lifeiseasy | 02/29/04

Didn't MS Swear in Court They couldn't strip down Windows? . . 2-bit liars! Plain Logic | 02/28/04

Who said it was "stripped down"? No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

exactly V Sanders | 02/28/04

WinXP Home vs. WinXP Pro. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

lets see Hanover Phist | 03/01/04

Don't start doing the same stupid thing... rock06r | 02/28/04

Ease off Jay Cash | 02/28/04

stupid thing... B_HI | 02/29/04

They will have to bow to pressure here in the US too. DonnieBoy | 02/28/04

This is the year... Again, and again, and again... No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

Boring? Not inaccurate. Jay Cash | 02/28/04

bitty knows NoB$ | 02/29/04

It won't happen overnite, the desktop lock-in is proving hard to break DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

Questions doe_z | 02/28/04

Linux is cheaper??? Wanna bet? No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

From theregister.com No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

More recent article. doe_z | 02/28/04

Computerwoche, now that is a source we ALL recognize!!! DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

haha - anouther linux blunder V Sanders | 02/28/04

A few un-expected problems are normal on ANY transition. DonnieBoy | 02/28/04

Why do you need to make excuses? No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

No excuses, just reality. You use a pruduct that long, not easy. DonnieBoy | 02/28/04

Man, they must REALLY be stupid. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

If you're such a teriffic project manager Jay Cash | 02/28/04

Must REALLY be stupid. B_HI | 02/29/04

There are problems with some specific applications DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

Where are you going with this? IT_User | 02/28/04

So IBM can;t plan? No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

They are planning. They are identifying the problem areas. Relax. DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

Or to put it another way. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

And it's so simple to move from Windows to Windows IT_User | 02/28/04

Wasn't it ALL about saving money? No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/29/04

Re: Wasn't it ALL about saving money? -- No doe_z | 02/29/04

bitty loves crow NoB$ | 02/29/04

Obviously No_Ax lacks the experience of doing a rollout B.O.F.H. | 02/29/04

Or why would anyone use Windows? IT_User | 02/29/04

Give us the links to the Munich problems DonnieBoy | 02/28/04

Just do a search in google donnie +-Chris-+ | 02/28/04

I did, not much there. Nothing calling it a disaster. DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

Do you know how to Google? No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

Zdnet doesnt post evert new report +-Chris-+ | 02/28/04

ZDNet will print anything positive or negative about Linux DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

Not hardly. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/29/04

Hey, they print John Carol don't they?? DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

ZDNet will print anything positive or negative about Linux Chipper1963 | 02/29/04

Signal-9 No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/29/04

Yes, and nothing calling it a disaster. Pretty normal problems. DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

Over budget is not NORMAL problems. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/29/04

Agree'd +-Chris-+ | 02/29/04

Be patient, let this develop. They have not presented the budget yet DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

Nor does the myth that Windows works IT_User | 02/29/04

We aren't that far apart really. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/29/04

Not normal? IT_User | 02/29/04

Have you ever known the government to save money? jfrankcarr | 02/29/04

exactly racka4279 | 02/28/04

Linux bet? B_HI | 02/29/04

I agree lifeiseasy | 02/29/04

Did you read the articles? michael-t | 02/29/04

If Linux WASN'T cheaper, why would MS need to lower thier price to compete? Plain Logic | 02/28/04

FUD V Sanders | 02/28/04

Oh, so Microsoft is stupid enough to lower prices, even if not true???? DonnieBoy | 02/28/04

Pity for the fools I suppose. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

bitty is a great burger salesman after all NoB$ | 02/29/04

The only stupid ones are the ones that do NOT get a discount. DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

Relying on MS michael-t | 02/29/04

Much like separating Myth from Truth... rock06r | 02/28/04

Spot on post. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

Wow! IT_User | 02/28/04

YOu confuse me. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/29/04

Not quite IT_User | 02/29/04

Strange Navy's having these problems... IT_User | 02/29/04

you are behind the times lifeiseasy | 02/29/04

Point for point rock06r | 02/29/04

Exactly No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/29/04

True that Windows has the edge IT_User | 02/29/04

Windows vs. Linux - Not even comparable lifeiseasy | 03/01/04

Barriers for the home user IT_User | 02/29/04

just a sec lifeiseasy | 02/29/04

you don't understand lifeiseasy | 02/29/04

Full of contradictions NoB$ | 02/29/04

Wait a minute, what about all the fixed function desktops. DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

Not just fixed functions IT_User | 02/29/04

True, in the furture, half of computers will just run a browser. DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

Exactly michael-t | 02/29/04

tHEN WHY ISN'T IT "CHEAPER" FOR mUNICH? No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

RE: tHEN WHY ISN'T IT "CHEAPER" FOR mUNICH? nite_w0lf | 02/28/04

Nice try, stupid but still nice. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

Sorry, it's not stupid. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/28/04

TCO Jay Cash | 02/28/04

TOC should be calculated BEFORE jumping in. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/29/04

Sure, just like the Navy IT_User | 02/29/04

Nice try, stu*** but still nice. Chipper1963 | 02/28/04

Prove to me... No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/29/04

Prove to me... Chipper1963 | 02/29/04

funny lifeiseasy | 03/01/04

What do you know? Jay Cash | 02/28/04

You can read can't you? No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/29/04

Well I can read IT_User | 02/29/04

Well I can read Chipper1963 | 02/29/04

I've noticed IT_User | 02/29/04

here's why lifeiseasy | 02/29/04

You are correct, in part. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/29/04

you are mistaken lifeiseasy | 02/29/04

Relax, give them time to plan and do the transition. DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

Donnie, planning happens BEFORE jumping in. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/29/04

Sounds like you want them to do the project before they decide. DonnieBoy | 02/29/04

Just like in Windows projects IT_User | 02/29/04

bitty with his bunk, again. NoB$ | 02/29/04

What's wrong with this picture. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/29/04

(NT) No_Ax, Please skip the insults and ANSWER his question. . . TIA Plain Logic | 02/29/04

Microsoft never had fixed prices, just fixed policies. Anton Philidor | 02/28/04

Great incentive! Jay Cash | 02/28/04

Your trials? IT_User | 02/28/04

Effective threats Anton Philidor | 02/29/04

Seems management has its own agenda Jay Cash | 02/29/04

Dell doesn't sell Microsoft products? Anton Philidor | 02/29/04

Well, dishonesty IT_User | 02/29/04

ha ha, you do have quite an imagination lifeiseasy | 02/29/04

Governments are developing their own versions of Linux. Anton Philidor | 02/29/04

already answered lifeiseasy | 02/29/04

Most people and companies are law-abiding Anton Philidor | 03/01/04

This is definitely a new approach for MS. NoB$ | 02/29/04

Hope it doesn't ruin the effect... Anton Philidor | 02/29/04

okay lifeiseasy | 02/29/04

Oh great, so now they can compete with me for work even cheaper. maxo_z | 02/29/04

Uphill, but traction is being generated... Dilbert-Tom | 03/01/04

Only time can prove B_HI | 02/29/04

Its deja vu all over again NobodyHome | 03/01/04

They get a deal, we get the shaft Chad_z | 03/01/04

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