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Get over jesus
When the heck is this stale anti MS thing thats been spouting about since the early 80's gonna end.

How many times have we had to hear words like vaporware, its all marketing and all this other mess. In the 1980's do you think the big iron like IBM, DEC, HP, SUN or shall I mention Novell even considered Microsoft anything but a little maker of toy like PC software? They could have cared less.

Everything in the big iron mantra was lowest common denominator with simple stability and security, BUT without the hindsight to think applications could be far more robust and intuitive than anything offered at the time. The fact is that from its conception MS has been pushing for the modernization of applications both in the household AND in business. Did they innovate everything? No. Did they vasty improve on existing technologies and push their OS forward. Yes. Have their competitiors done so? some yes, most no.

Years later folks wonder how MS became so big, how they've come to control so much. We have all sorts of open source this and that and the big push for Linux (essentially the Unix worlds attempt at catchup on the OS side). It isnt MS marketing alone that got them to where they are, a lot of it was due to their competions dogmatism and lack of hindsight to see beyond command utilities and green screens. Ask Novell why Windows NT eventually killed Netware? Do you think windows NT killed Netware simply because of marketing, especially when netware was so dominant at the time? It wasnt like MS was giving windows NT out for free.

I probaly wont need Office 12, but I will get Vista. Will IE7 be a good browser. You bet. Will Firefox continue to improve. Im sure it will. Do I blame everything on MS and marketing. No, because thats an old, stale, weak, lame argument.
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M$ is all marketing  Linux Geek | 03/16/06
Not even FUD  Yensi717 | 03/16/06
Okay, how much do they spend?  maxsnorkel | 03/16/06
Get over jesus  jimk_z | 03/17/06
No comparison: much higher R&D spending  marksashton | 03/17/06
MSFT R&D Spending vs. Sales/Marketing  marksashton | 03/17/06
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Dude  Shelendrea | 03/16/06
Gee, and here I am running Office 12  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/16/06
So switch already.  April May | 03/16/06
nice  Scott W | 03/19/06
Unfortunately.....  April May | 03/19/06
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pretty weak I'd say  April May | 03/17/06
You must of been his CPA with that info.  osreinstall | 03/17/06
Accoutants? We don't need no steenking Accountants!  Judas I. | 03/17/06
What competitors voice?  osreinstall | 03/17/06
It will happen soon enough  April May | 03/18/06
Thats exactly what I do.  osreinstall | 03/18/06
I totally agree  April May | 03/19/06
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you actually replied...  April May | 03/16/06
How to increase productivity....  jinko | 03/17/06
What he MEANT was ...  Linux_4u! | 03/16/06
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MS Business Strategy  bott@... | 03/16/06
you're right  corticus | 03/16/06
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Fiduciary responsibility  Yagotta B. Kidding | 03/17/06
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Message has been deleted.  ITGuy04 | 03/16/06
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I agree with your statement -  I_am_hellion_z | 03/16/06
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I call Bullsh.....  Scrat | 03/17/06
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Does little sissy redneck boy want to call his Momma and wine..........  Can you hear me | 03/17/06
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Message has been deleted.  talisman | 03/16/06
Watershed moment in IT  wd_christian@... | 03/16/06
A real company?  bigpicture | 03/16/06
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Wwwwwhhhiiiizzzzzzzzzttttt............  I_am_hellion_z | 03/16/06
It's more like a toiletbowl moment in IT............  Can you hear me | 03/17/06
sounds like nothing but  April May | 03/17/06
ms_USA_codemaster you can tell your nothing..............  Can you hear me | 03/17/06
I can tell you are a little.  April May | 03/17/06
Only when a cute littsissy dude like you ms_USA_codemaster wants to......  Can you hear me | 03/17/06
8.5 Mikey, Nice Catch of Fresh Fish Too  tbbrickster_z | 03/17/06
nice  Scott W | 03/19/06
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I could tell ya what to do with it .....  I_am_hellion_z | 03/16/06
I wondered which fool would step forward.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/17/06
Grumpy old man?  enduser_z | 03/17/06
Just Ignore Him  itanalyst | 03/17/06
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I kind of like Cetus Wordpad, actually..  ajole | 03/16/06
Be patient ......  I_am_hellion_z | 03/16/06
Satisfaction...  Patrick Jones | 03/17/06
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Intel Not On Board  mighetto | 03/17/06
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As If You Didn't Have Enough Of Ballmer  itanalyst | 03/17/06
Microsoft must follow more Standards  wildranger | 03/17/06
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Well put  April May | 03/18/06
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ha.  April May | 03/19/06
added note  April May | 03/19/06
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