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"It is NOT cheaper to hire someone with an H1B visa."
" The employer must proove that it would pay AT LEAST the same salary as for an US citizen or permanent resident."

That what gets me, the above isn't true anymore. They just have to 'promise', no proof necessary. They're even supposed to only bring in staff if they can't find US programmers, but again no proof needed.
There was an employer here a couple of weeks back openly saying he was putting in as many H1B applications as quickly as possible in order to get the biggest share of this years quota. He didn't even pretend it was a "vacancy-US seatch-Offshore search" scenario, he was just getting H1Bs.

"Not all the foreign workers come from poor countries. Someone from Western Europe or Japan would not come to US for a lower salary. And the tax that H1B workers pays is going to support US citizens."

No, US pays less than Europe or Japan currently. If a H1B is displacing a US worker, then there is no net gain to the US there, only a net loss. Which is why the controls should be put back in place.

"Think of it like this: if you hire enough H1B workers all US people could live on the taxes that these people pay."

If 1 H1B displaces 1US worker, then the taxes have to pay for both the displaced worker, and also cover the tax that that worker would have paid. Thats a loss. After their time is up and they go home who pays then?
Posted by: Nigel Johnstone   Posted on: 02/19/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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If a company needs a H1B  Nigel Johnstone | 02/18/04
Huh?  CobraA1 | 02/18/04
If your major is Comp. Sci...  emartin_z | 02/18/04
Not even Civil Service  AbsolutelyNot | 02/18/04
If your major is Comp. Sci...  SC-man | 02/19/04
Not True  voska | 02/19/04
Think NAFTA....  Art Royce | 02/19/04
"American association of ....."  Nigel Johnstone | 02/18/04
Finally FSF and Microsoft agree on something  bjornafreeman@... | 02/19/04
Um...  AbsolutelyNot | 02/19/04
Nice...  AbsolutelyNot | 02/18/04
re; nice virus?  mjimih | 02/18/04
Re: Nice and not in a good way  DonB_z | 02/18/04
I do NOT see the politicians or CEO's living in mud-huts......  SC-man | 02/19/04
Loosers  ats_z | 02/18/04
No quite true  Nigel Johnstone | 02/19/04
Sorry, but you are wrong  Art Royce | 02/19/04
Business Elites  jfredpete | 02/18/04
Laid off due to H1B  four12@... | 02/18/04
Get use to it... It will become the norm for most skilled jobs  DonB_z | 02/18/04
I feel sorry for our kids  JWatson77 | 02/19/04
Wow  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/19/04
Wow  SC-man | 02/19/04
what john  JWatson77 | 02/19/04
No, I don't  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 02/19/04
That's actually not true  voska | 02/19/04
That's actually not true  SC-man | 02/20/04
Not paranoia anymore  AbsolutelyNot | 02/19/04
I've seen a lot of that  voska | 02/19/04
Get rid of H-1B visa's, there are many skilled professional out of work!  DonB_z | 02/18/04
no sit  JWatson77 | 02/19/04
proves h1-b used for cheap not skilled labor  JWatson77 | 02/19/04
Exactly  jfrankcarr | 02/19/04
Reading the responses from...  BitTwiddler | 02/19/04
sounds like a good deal  ttsay | 02/19/04
re: sounds like a good deal  Pebkac Charlie | 02/19/04
re: sounds like a good deal  SC-man | 02/19/04
re: sounds like a good deal  hlampert | 02/19/04
re: sounds like a good deal  SC-man | 02/20/04
your right  JWatson77 | 02/19/04
Gee I wish I knew those people  Hanover Phist | 02/19/04
Gee I wish I knew those people  SC-man | 02/20/04
Where's mine?  AbsolutelyNot | 02/19/04
Where's mine? (Go Get It)  SC-man | 02/20/04
Good idea, Jim.  gordon@... | 02/19/04
How old are you?  Art Royce | 02/19/04
Go for it!  voska | 02/19/04
Not!  AbsolutelyNot | 02/19/04
If there is actually a need for H1B's, then require...  Anton Philidor | 02/19/04
H-1B = SCAB  Telexer | 02/19/04
Oh no! They might have to hire Americans!  Xunil_Sierutuf | 02/19/04
H1 visa, L1 visa and Outsourcing --  null | 02/19/04
Two points.... L1 .. and one most didn?t consider  Uralbas | 02/19/04
Using an old H1B  jmbhagat | 05/02/04

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