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Work with Stallman
Everything I've read on this seems to indicate that it's Stallman who is the inflexible ideologue here, not Torvalds.
Posted by: JimSatterfieldW   Posted on: 01/27/06 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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Torvalds is being a horses arse here. He should participate in the GPL  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
Where is the real Donnie?  Loverock Davidson | 01/26/06
Torvalds is not my master, and he did not write the kernel by himself.  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
Alright  Loverock Davidson | 01/26/06
Um ok  Suicida| | 02/06/06
Doesn't make sense  NonZealot | 01/26/06
The kernel is GPL, if Linus steps over the line and pisses off enough  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
Not a chance, read the GPL!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
Torvalds could get hit by a bus tomorrow and the kernel would not miss a  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
There is still a copyright holder  spamagnet | 01/26/06
Right, all of the individual owners can decide.  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
A leader away from the GPL3, yes indeed.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
The thing I don't get  Michael Kelly | 01/26/06
SPOT ON!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
Re: The thing I don't get  nix_os_fan | 01/26/06
You know what I noticed?  nomorems | 01/27/06
So if he releases it under v2 instead of v3 he should be replaced.  osreinstall | 01/26/06
But it wouldnt be called . . .  Suicida| | 02/06/06
He is participating  Michael Kelly | 01/26/06
A leader would not make blanket statements this early  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
Work with Stallman  JimSatterfieldW | 01/27/06
But ho doesnt have to  Suicida| | 02/06/06
Who are you to say what he should or should not do?  balsover | 01/26/06
It is the comunity that Linus needs to listen to, NOT me. I am just giving  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
And he did...  thetargos | 01/26/06
Linus has a right to say what he likes!  mdsmedia | 01/26/06
Stallman is the loser here  OhMyGosh | 01/26/06
No, Stallman is gaining mindshare, but he also has to listen to people  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
The thing is that RMS has a clear vision, whereas Linus wrote a kernel  hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06
10 Reason not to listen to you.  IceTheNet@... | 01/26/06
cool it  hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06
No Donnie Boy your the horses A$$$...... If anyone can be replaced...  Can you hear me | 01/26/06
Torvalds: No GPL 3 for Linux  Loverock Davidson | 01/26/06
I think your two brain...  nix_os_fan | 01/26/06
Is that you again kernel_panic?  osreinstall | 01/26/06
You bet it is ......  I_am_hellion_z | 01/27/06
How's the snowbank in the Great White North eh?  osreinstall | 01/27/06
Yup, it's me...I think they deleted nix_os...the  Colonel_Panic | 01/27/06
What is this beating you speak of?...  Colonel_Panic | 01/28/06
Yup...  Nix_0S_Fan | 01/28/06
Not EVERYONE agrees with Windows  djc1309@... | 01/26/06
But...  Loverock Davidson | 01/26/06
Loverock..Learn to read context!! NT  mdsmedia | 01/26/06
I did read it, what didn't you understand? (NT)  Loverock Davidson | 01/27/06
What YOU didn't understand was..  mdsmedia | 01/27/06
I understand completely  Loverock Davidson | 01/27/06
At least Linux supports my hardware.  jgmsys@... | 01/26/06
I found changing mouse cures this  hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06
Good bye linux, hello BSDs.?????????????  jrbeaman | 01/26/06
Loverock you're an idiot  mdsmedia | 01/26/06
Name calling really proves your point  Loverock Davidson | 01/27/06
When it comes to you it's all you're worth  mdsmedia | 01/27/06
My worth  Loverock Davidson | 01/27/06
Dude, you're a troll  Real World | 01/27/06
Its not trolling  Loverock Davidson | 01/27/06
Thank God somebody else sees it...  Nix_0S_Fan | 01/28/06
Take your  Linux Advocate | 01/27/06
And my point is proven  Loverock Davidson | 01/27/06
See post: Thank God somebody...  Nix_0S_Fan | 01/28/06
Re: My worth...Somebody call 911 'cause...  Nix_0S_Fan | 01/28/06
Yeah...then how come...  Colonel_Panic | 01/28/06
The only good bye is - Good bye Loverock Davidson........  Can you hear me | 01/26/06
LOL  Loverock Davidson | 01/27/06
fishing net  Scott W | 01/28/06
You are not going to get rid of me...  Nix_0S_Fan | 01/28/06
Looks like I need to give Linus props for being  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
4 once I agree  IceTheNet@... | 01/26/06
A see a fork in the road  zmud | 01/26/06
Linus is ony one person. We have to wait and see what the general feeling  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
One person that happens to hold all the cards.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
If you read the GPL license, you will see Linus does NOT hold all the cards  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
Bzzzzt Wrong...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
No, you can take the kernel and start a new development WITHOUT Torvalds.  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
Good luck, never going to happen...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
There would be no lawsuits, only mindshare wars.  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
Guess you never heard of SCO  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
There would be no basis for a lawsuit, it is perfectly legal to fork GPL  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
That's what everyone said about SCO too.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
With SCO, there are grey areas. With the GPL, there is NO doubt that  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
You show a fundamental lack of knowledge  Bill Ward | 01/26/06
RGMBill, you head it dead on.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
You can fork the kernel WITHOUT Torvalds permision. You just can NOT change  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
you're right  Scott W | 01/28/06
Get a clue all of you  hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06
The kernel consists of many peope works  B.O.F.H. | 01/26/06
Not true  Yensi717 | 01/26/06
Nope, Linux can NOT change the kernel to BSD.  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
You just contradicted your earlier post...  djc1309@... | 01/26/06
He is getting more confused by the minute.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
You are confused, Linus has NO legal control over the kernal, only  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
When you wish upon a star ....  osreinstall | 01/26/06
Yes, Torvalds COULD refuse GPL3 code in the kernel HE maintains.  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
The thing is, he maintains the official version.  osreinstall | 01/26/06
This worries me  mdsmedia | 01/26/06
The last time that I looked, Linus owns the kernel  balsover | 01/26/06
Linus does NOT own the kernel, he only owns the code HE wrote, but, HE  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
There IS another kernel you know....  Michael Kelly | 01/26/06
The Hurd moves slooooooowly...  Scrat | 01/28/06
Linux has been losing mindshare since the Bitkeeper fiasco.  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
Who said he was a leader?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
He is the leader of the kernel right now. He makes the final decisions.  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
ANd the decsion is, NO to GPL 3  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
So far, he only said he would not change his code to GPL3  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
Once again you contradict yourself  mdsmedia | 01/26/06
It would be nice if people would read instead of react....  jrbeaman | 01/26/06
You are still clueless......  jrbeaman | 01/26/06
Be quiet !  osreinstall | 01/26/06
oops, mybad  jrbeaman | 01/26/06
OH Donnie Boy lets hear lets hear yor wors of wisdon?????????????/  Can you hear me | 01/26/06
He could refuse contributions under GPL3, but the kernel can also be forked  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
Forked kernel  lwvirden | 01/26/06
It happened to BSD  Roger Ramjet | 01/26/06
Yes, a majority would have to be VERY unhappy with Torvalds before  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
Cluelessness showing again....  jrbeaman | 01/26/06
AMEN  Disturbed_z | 01/27/06
Ohh DonnieBoy stop with your Generalismo BS!! NT  mdsmedia | 01/26/06
do we have a DONNYBROOK?  jrbeaman | 01/26/06
Forking doesn't change the license  Bill Ward | 01/26/06
I beleive that GPL2 and GPL3 code can be linked together, is that correct?  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
Sort of.  Sxooter_z | 01/26/06
I agree  Tony Agudo | 01/26/06
Hey Steve, oops, I mean Loverock...  nix_os_fan | 01/26/06
Yet another well thought out and significant post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
Fine. My position on this is...  nix_os_fan | 01/26/06
Has nothing to do with Mr. Gates  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
Who's idea and who developed DRM...  nix_os_fan | 01/26/06
Developed by IBM,  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
I didn't say Micro$lop wrote it...  nix_os_fan | 01/26/06
MISTER Gates, my, how he commands...  nix_os_fan | 01/26/06
Courtesy is cheap and goes along ways...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
BTW, you have one of...  nix_os_fan | 01/26/06
Some English might help here  mdsmedia | 01/26/06
Aw nix, did I pee in your wheaties?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
Re: Aw nix, did I pee in your wheaties?  Colonel_Panic | 01/27/06
Umm you missed at least One...DRM  mdsmedia | 01/26/06
LOL  s_gamgee | 01/27/06
Whoa! Not exactly true  Cayble | 01/27/06
well if torvalds doesnt like it  toxicfreak | 01/26/06
If it doesn't go your way, Linus should leave?  jrbeaman | 01/26/06
Wow!  tjleeland | 01/26/06
Good of you to jump in and offer an on topic post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
DRM is Bad Period  Mectron | 01/26/06
Are you clueless? This is not about RIAA or the MPAA  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
But you know the type...  Stewart Cannon | 01/26/06
Sad but true...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
Sounds more like a fraudian slip.  osreinstall | 01/26/06
Your A Syco ligist?  IceTheNet@... | 01/26/06
You are Kornfused, Bubba  osreinstall | 01/26/06
Yeah right!!  j.m.galvin | 01/26/06
My neighbor is pretty good  osreinstall | 01/26/06
You don't need DRM to do that.  kjmcdonald | 01/27/06
No but it works better. Why do you think there is so much opposition?  osreinstall | 01/27/06
If you want it then you buy it but don't shove it up my hiney  IceTheNet@... | 01/27/06
It is there for those who want it.  osreinstall | 01/27/06
DRM is not useless  voska | 01/26/06
Like I say if you want it buy it. The Act of Force is what we oppose  IceTheNet@... | 01/27/06
Choose an Indy and quit your grousing.  osreinstall | 01/28/06
DRM is bad period for consumers  brike@... | 01/27/06
Agree on DRM, but not the Point  Sinbad_z | 01/27/06
Torvalds? thinking is 3tL ? too Low, too Little, too Local.  Vily Clay | 01/26/06
THANK YOU VILLY!! (nt)  s_gamgee | 01/27/06
ZDNet's baiting headlines ...  George Mitchell | 01/26/06
Agreed, but what is your opinion on combining GPL2 code with GPL3 code??  DonnieBoy | 01/26/06
The more restrictive license (GPL3) takes precedence ...  George Mitchell | 01/26/06
You can't do that!  Sxooter_z | 01/26/06
The question is if you can link GPL2 with GPL3, NOT if you can change the  DonnieBoy | 01/27/06
Not Good!  osreinstall | 01/26/06
Thanks osreinstall and sxooter ...  George Mitchell | 01/26/06
Not sure what you are quoting, but the problem would be with the GPL2, if  DonnieBoy | 01/28/06
Go read the other article on Moglen  osreinstall | 01/28/06
Micro$ux wants to port their gar-baahj to Linux...  nix_os_fan | 01/26/06
Still clueless I see...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
Are you kidding me...  nix_os_fan | 01/26/06
So then show me little fella...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
You can lead a horse to water....  I_am_hellion_z | 01/27/06
Hey you are pretty good at GPL Braille  osreinstall | 01/27/06
Unfortunately idiots like that bring the average down NT  mdsmedia | 01/27/06
Linus has the right idea IMHO  bitfuzzy | 01/26/06
Linux wrote it, it's his to do whatever.  jrbeaman | 01/26/06
Actually, a WHOLE LOTTA people wrote it.  Sxooter_z | 01/26/06
OK, but...  jrbeaman | 01/26/06
Theoretically the inverse may be true.  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 01/29/06
Stick a fork in...Linus is done...  nix_os_fan | 01/26/06
DRM battle will be won/lost in the marketplace  wkulecz | 01/26/06
The "horse's arse" here is Richard Stallman...  Stewart Cannon | 01/26/06
You were warned about using common sense...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
If stallman were president  hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06
Torvalds for President!!!!  3Dman | 01/26/06
EXACTAMUNDO  jrbeaman | 01/26/06
LONG LIVE TORVALDS!!!  Jeff Spicoli | 01/26/06
He won't get my vote  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 01/27/06
You have to rain on my parade?  3Dman | 01/29/06
John Stewart for President  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 01/29/06
John Stewart for President  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 01/29/06
DRM in LINUX????????  Protector | 01/26/06
Supporting DRM  j.m.galvin | 01/26/06
So  Protector | 01/26/06
Because that's not the real world  j.m.galvin | 01/26/06
This just shows how little you really know  IceTheNet@... | 01/27/06
Get to it then, we are waiting...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
Not So!  osreinstall | 01/26/06
Who are you trying to convince? Your Self!  IceTheNet@... | 01/27/06
Companies do not agree with you.  osreinstall | 01/27/06
Supporting DRM ok Having DRM Shoved up Bootie Not  IceTheNet@... | 01/27/06
Torvolds is neutral on the issue.  osreinstall | 01/28/06
Linus is Right  wkulecz | 01/26/06
Torvalds No GPl for Linux  roswell | 01/26/06
Torvalds is just trying to protect Linux  Anthony S. | 01/26/06
CEO to IT staff...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06
Oh stop trying to start a flame war  Michael Kelly | 01/26/06
Last sentence true, but...  Tony Agudo | 01/26/06
A few questions about using DRM.  CobraA1 | 01/28/06
but you can: Use OTP.  hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06
what's more you can do OTP with some dice a pencil and paper.  hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06
Gotta be careful, though . . .  CobraA1 | 01/30/06
like a couple of 3cent diodes?  hipparchus2001 | 01/30/06
First of all...  Rikho | 01/26/06
Forget the civil war  Shelendrea | 01/26/06
Oh Come off it, Torvalds  the_slash | 01/26/06
(DRM) + (Linux kernel) = (no big deal)  mobrien_12@... | 01/26/06
TORVALDS IS THE MAN  Jeff Spicoli | 01/26/06
Stallman is a great philosopher...  Knorthern Knight | 01/26/06
Stallman is a political hack!  osreinstall | 01/27/06
DRM is here...  s_gamgee | 01/27/06
Here Hear...or is that Hear Hear??  mdsmedia | 01/27/06
It means..  s_gamgee | 01/27/06
A little off there  Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 01/27/06
contracts and conduct  dkloke@... | 01/27/06
We dont need Trovalds and Patents  LogicallyGenius | 01/28/06
LogicallyGenius ???  Scrat | 01/28/06
I hate the way people here call Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman names.  hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06
If you actually read the GPL draft...  Interfecus | 02/01/06
Huh?  chuckduffy | 03/08/06

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