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And he did...: [quote]By the way, here is what Alan Cox said:

"What finally happens is going to depend almost entirely on whether the GPL v3 is a sane license or not and on consensus, and it is way too early to figure that out."

That is what Linus should have said at this point.[/quote]
He does aknowledge that it is way too early, but he also voices out his disagreement with the whole treatment the DRM clause is being treated in the draft. Is sesnationalist comments that hurt the most, I'm even surprised this ZDNet article wasn't as much sensationlist as they have been in the past.

I think that a consensus will be reached sooner or later (the sooner, the better, though). And I tend to agree with Linus. His position really frees Linux, enabling it to be used in a DRMed environment or not. Linux + DRM doesn't necessarily mean the Linux kernel will get automatic DRM. I wonder, have you seen the posts concerning this on the LKML? Indeed Linus does not like DRM, but it so happens that Linux is gaining force in the embedded segment, where DRM will happen despite whatever our opinions are, and success or failure of such devices will only depend on the people who buy or not buy the products. In a sense, Linus is enabling such companies to be able to add DRM to the kernel, in the end the consumers have the last word about accepting that or not.

On the other hand, DRM in the kenrel does not mean you will have to run your computer with DRM turned on. True, some proprietary application may require you to have DRM enabled in your kernel, but then again, if you bought such application, you already knew about the situation. The system (the kernel) doesn't force you either. You are still free to CHOOSE whether you turn DRM on or not. That's the beauty of OSS.

How odd, under that perspective is, that Richard M. Stallman, is doing exactly what he so deeply rejects. If a softeware piece is to be really free, the one who uses it must be also free to secure it in some ways...

Sure DRM is evil, but if Linux is to continue to succeede in the embedded arena, it must be DRM friendly, which in my opinion is the pinacle of opennes, as it would remain open, accept DRM and you'll still be able to do what you please with the system.

Should Linus had more caution when wording his opinion? Yes, maybe. Will this be final? I can't tell. All scenarios should be thought through before puttin out a deffinite version, which is pretty much the general consensus at the moment.; Posted by: thetargos Posted on: 01/26/06 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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Torvalds is being a horses arse here. He should participate in the GPL DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

Where is the real Donnie? Loverock Davidson | 01/26/06

Torvalds is not my master, and he did not write the kernel by himself. DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

Alright Loverock Davidson | 01/26/06

Um ok Suicida| | 02/06/06

Doesn't make sense NonZealot | 01/26/06

The kernel is GPL, if Linus steps over the line and pisses off enough DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

Not a chance, read the GPL!!! No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

Torvalds could get hit by a bus tomorrow and the kernel would not miss a DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

There is still a copyright holder spamagnet | 01/26/06

Right, all of the individual owners can decide. DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

A leader away from the GPL3, yes indeed. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

The thing I don't get Michael Kelly | 01/26/06

SPOT ON! No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

Re: The thing I don't get nix_os_fan | 01/26/06

You know what I noticed? nomorems | 01/27/06

So if he releases it under v2 instead of v3 he should be replaced. osreinstall | 01/26/06

But it wouldnt be called . . . Suicida| | 02/06/06

He is participating Michael Kelly | 01/26/06

A leader would not make blanket statements this early DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

Work with Stallman JimSatterfieldW | 01/27/06

But ho doesnt have to Suicida| | 02/06/06

Who are you to say what he should or should not do? balsover | 01/26/06

It is the comunity that Linus needs to listen to, NOT me. I am just giving DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

And he did... thetargos | 01/26/06

Linus has a right to say what he likes! mdsmedia | 01/26/06

Stallman is the loser here OhMyGosh | 01/26/06

No, Stallman is gaining mindshare, but he also has to listen to people DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

The thing is that RMS has a clear vision, whereas Linus wrote a kernel hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06

10 Reason not to listen to you. IceTheNet@... | 01/26/06

cool it hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06

No Donnie Boy your the horses A$$$...... If anyone can be replaced... Can you hear me | 01/26/06

Torvalds: No GPL 3 for Linux Loverock Davidson | 01/26/06

I think your two brain... nix_os_fan | 01/26/06

Is that you again kernel_panic? osreinstall | 01/26/06

You bet it is ...... I_am_hellion_z | 01/27/06

How's the snowbank in the Great White North eh? osreinstall | 01/27/06

Yup, it's me...I think they deleted nix_os...the Colonel_Panic | 01/27/06

What is this beating you speak of?... Colonel_Panic | 01/28/06

Yup... Nix_0S_Fan | 01/28/06

Not EVERYONE agrees with Windows djc1309@... | 01/26/06

But... Loverock Davidson | 01/26/06

Loverock..Learn to read context!! NT mdsmedia | 01/26/06

I did read it, what didn't you understand? (NT) Loverock Davidson | 01/27/06

What YOU didn't understand was.. mdsmedia | 01/27/06

I understand completely Loverock Davidson | 01/27/06

At least Linux supports my hardware. jgmsys@... | 01/26/06

I found changing mouse cures this hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06

Good bye linux, hello BSDs.????????????? jrbeaman | 01/26/06

Loverock you're an idiot mdsmedia | 01/26/06

Name calling really proves your point Loverock Davidson | 01/27/06

When it comes to you it's all you're worth mdsmedia | 01/27/06

My worth Loverock Davidson | 01/27/06

Dude, you're a troll Real World | 01/27/06

Its not trolling Loverock Davidson | 01/27/06

Thank God somebody else sees it... Nix_0S_Fan | 01/28/06

Take your Linux Advocate | 01/27/06

And my point is proven Loverock Davidson | 01/27/06

See post: Thank God somebody... Nix_0S_Fan | 01/28/06

Re: My worth...Somebody call 911 'cause... Nix_0S_Fan | 01/28/06

Yeah...then how come... Colonel_Panic | 01/28/06

The only good bye is - Good bye Loverock Davidson........ Can you hear me | 01/26/06

LOL Loverock Davidson | 01/27/06

fishing net Scott W | 01/28/06

You are not going to get rid of me... Nix_0S_Fan | 01/28/06

Looks like I need to give Linus props for being No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

4 once I agree IceTheNet@... | 01/26/06

A see a fork in the road zmud | 01/26/06

Linus is ony one person. We have to wait and see what the general feeling DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

One person that happens to hold all the cards. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

If you read the GPL license, you will see Linus does NOT hold all the cards DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

Bzzzzt Wrong... No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

No, you can take the kernel and start a new development WITHOUT Torvalds. DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

Good luck, never going to happen... No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

There would be no lawsuits, only mindshare wars. DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

Guess you never heard of SCO No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

There would be no basis for a lawsuit, it is perfectly legal to fork GPL DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

That's what everyone said about SCO too. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

With SCO, there are grey areas. With the GPL, there is NO doubt that DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

You show a fundamental lack of knowledge Bill Ward | 01/26/06

RGMBill, you head it dead on. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

You can fork the kernel WITHOUT Torvalds permision. You just can NOT change DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

you're right Scott W | 01/28/06

Get a clue all of you hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06

The kernel consists of many peope works B.O.F.H. | 01/26/06

Not true Yensi717 | 01/26/06

Nope, Linux can NOT change the kernel to BSD. DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

You just contradicted your earlier post... djc1309@... | 01/26/06

He is getting more confused by the minute. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

You are confused, Linus has NO legal control over the kernal, only DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

When you wish upon a star .... osreinstall | 01/26/06

Yes, Torvalds COULD refuse GPL3 code in the kernel HE maintains. DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

The thing is, he maintains the official version. osreinstall | 01/26/06

This worries me mdsmedia | 01/26/06

The last time that I looked, Linus owns the kernel balsover | 01/26/06

Linus does NOT own the kernel, he only owns the code HE wrote, but, HE DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

There IS another kernel you know.... Michael Kelly | 01/26/06

The Hurd moves slooooooowly... Scrat | 01/28/06

Linux has been losing mindshare since the Bitkeeper fiasco. DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

Who said he was a leader? No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

He is the leader of the kernel right now. He makes the final decisions. DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

ANd the decsion is, NO to GPL 3 No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

So far, he only said he would not change his code to GPL3 DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

Once again you contradict yourself mdsmedia | 01/26/06

It would be nice if people would read instead of react.... jrbeaman | 01/26/06

You are still clueless...... jrbeaman | 01/26/06

Be quiet ! osreinstall | 01/26/06

oops, mybad jrbeaman | 01/26/06

OH Donnie Boy lets hear lets hear yor wors of wisdon?????????????/ Can you hear me | 01/26/06

He could refuse contributions under GPL3, but the kernel can also be forked DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

Forked kernel lwvirden | 01/26/06

It happened to BSD Roger Ramjet | 01/26/06

Yes, a majority would have to be VERY unhappy with Torvalds before DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

Cluelessness showing again.... jrbeaman | 01/26/06

AMEN Disturbed_z | 01/27/06

Ohh DonnieBoy stop with your Generalismo BS!! NT mdsmedia | 01/26/06

do we have a DONNYBROOK? jrbeaman | 01/26/06

Forking doesn't change the license Bill Ward | 01/26/06

I beleive that GPL2 and GPL3 code can be linked together, is that correct? DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

Sort of. Sxooter_z | 01/26/06

I agree Tony Agudo | 01/26/06

Hey Steve, oops, I mean Loverock... nix_os_fan | 01/26/06

Yet another well thought out and significant post. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

Fine. My position on this is... nix_os_fan | 01/26/06

Has nothing to do with Mr. Gates No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

Who's idea and who developed DRM... nix_os_fan | 01/26/06

Developed by IBM, No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

I didn't say Micro$lop wrote it... nix_os_fan | 01/26/06

MISTER Gates, my, how he commands... nix_os_fan | 01/26/06

Courtesy is cheap and goes along ways... No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

BTW, you have one of... nix_os_fan | 01/26/06

Some English might help here mdsmedia | 01/26/06

Aw nix, did I pee in your wheaties? No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

Re: Aw nix, did I pee in your wheaties? Colonel_Panic | 01/27/06

Umm you missed at least One...DRM mdsmedia | 01/26/06

LOL s_gamgee | 01/27/06

Whoa! Not exactly true Cayble | 01/27/06

well if torvalds doesnt like it toxicfreak | 01/26/06

If it doesn't go your way, Linus should leave? jrbeaman | 01/26/06

Wow! tjleeland | 01/26/06

Good of you to jump in and offer an on topic post. No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

DRM is Bad Period Mectron | 01/26/06

Are you clueless? This is not about RIAA or the MPAA No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

But you know the type... Stewart Cannon | 01/26/06

Sad but true... No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

Sounds more like a fraudian slip. osreinstall | 01/26/06

Your A Syco ligist? IceTheNet@... | 01/26/06

You are Kornfused, Bubba osreinstall | 01/26/06

Yeah right!! j.m.galvin | 01/26/06

My neighbor is pretty good osreinstall | 01/26/06

You don't need DRM to do that. kjmcdonald | 01/27/06

No but it works better. Why do you think there is so much opposition? osreinstall | 01/27/06

If you want it then you buy it but don't shove it up my hiney IceTheNet@... | 01/27/06

It is there for those who want it. osreinstall | 01/27/06

DRM is not useless voska | 01/26/06

Like I say if you want it buy it. The Act of Force is what we oppose IceTheNet@... | 01/27/06

Choose an Indy and quit your grousing. osreinstall | 01/28/06

DRM is bad period for consumers brike@... | 01/27/06

Agree on DRM, but not the Point Sinbad_z | 01/27/06

Torvalds? thinking is 3tL ? too Low, too Little, too Local. Vily Clay | 01/26/06

THANK YOU VILLY!! (nt) s_gamgee | 01/27/06

ZDNet's baiting headlines ... George Mitchell | 01/26/06

Agreed, but what is your opinion on combining GPL2 code with GPL3 code?? DonnieBoy | 01/26/06

The more restrictive license (GPL3) takes precedence ... George Mitchell | 01/26/06

You can't do that! Sxooter_z | 01/26/06

The question is if you can link GPL2 with GPL3, NOT if you can change the DonnieBoy | 01/27/06

Not Good! osreinstall | 01/26/06

Thanks osreinstall and sxooter ... George Mitchell | 01/26/06

Not sure what you are quoting, but the problem would be with the GPL2, if DonnieBoy | 01/28/06

Go read the other article on Moglen osreinstall | 01/28/06

Micro$ux wants to port their gar-baahj to Linux... nix_os_fan | 01/26/06

Still clueless I see... No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

Are you kidding me... nix_os_fan | 01/26/06

So then show me little fella... No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

You can lead a horse to water.... I_am_hellion_z | 01/27/06

Hey you are pretty good at GPL Braille osreinstall | 01/27/06

Unfortunately idiots like that bring the average down NT mdsmedia | 01/27/06

Linus has the right idea IMHO bitfuzzy | 01/26/06

Linux wrote it, it's his to do whatever. jrbeaman | 01/26/06

Actually, a WHOLE LOTTA people wrote it. Sxooter_z | 01/26/06

OK, but... jrbeaman | 01/26/06

Theoretically the inverse may be true. Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 01/29/06

Stick a fork in...Linus is done... nix_os_fan | 01/26/06

DRM battle will be won/lost in the marketplace wkulecz | 01/26/06

The "horse's arse" here is Richard Stallman... Stewart Cannon | 01/26/06

You were warned about using common sense... No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

If stallman were president hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06

Torvalds for President!!!! 3Dman | 01/26/06

EXACTAMUNDO jrbeaman | 01/26/06

LONG LIVE TORVALDS!!! Jeff Spicoli | 01/26/06

He won't get my vote Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 01/27/06

You have to rain on my parade? 3Dman | 01/29/06

John Stewart for President Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 01/29/06

DRM in LINUX???????? Protector | 01/26/06

Supporting DRM j.m.galvin | 01/26/06

So Protector | 01/26/06

Because that's not the real world j.m.galvin | 01/26/06

This just shows how little you really know IceTheNet@... | 01/27/06

Get to it then, we are waiting... No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

Not So! osreinstall | 01/26/06

Who are you trying to convince? Your Self! IceTheNet@... | 01/27/06

Companies do not agree with you. osreinstall | 01/27/06

Supporting DRM ok Having DRM Shoved up Bootie Not IceTheNet@... | 01/27/06

Torvolds is neutral on the issue. osreinstall | 01/28/06

Linus is Right wkulecz | 01/26/06

Torvalds No GPl for Linux roswell | 01/26/06

Torvalds is just trying to protect Linux Anthony S. | 01/26/06

CEO to IT staff... No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/26/06

Oh stop trying to start a flame war Michael Kelly | 01/26/06

Last sentence true, but... Tony Agudo | 01/26/06

A few questions about using DRM. CobraA1 | 01/28/06

but you can: Use OTP. hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06

what's more you can do OTP with some dice a pencil and paper. hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06

Gotta be careful, though . . . CobraA1 | 01/30/06

like a couple of 3cent diodes? hipparchus2001 | 01/30/06

First of all... Rikho | 01/26/06

Forget the civil war Shelendrea | 01/26/06

Oh Come off it, Torvalds the_slash | 01/26/06

(DRM) + (Linux kernel) = (no big deal) mobrien_12@... | 01/26/06

TORVALDS IS THE MAN Jeff Spicoli | 01/26/06

Stallman is a great philosopher... Knorthern Knight | 01/26/06

Stallman is a political hack! osreinstall | 01/27/06

DRM is here... s_gamgee | 01/27/06

Here Hear...or is that Hear Hear?? mdsmedia | 01/27/06

It means.. s_gamgee | 01/27/06

A little off there Hrothgar - PCLinuxOS User | 01/27/06

contracts and conduct dkloke@... | 01/27/06

We dont need Trovalds and Patents LogicallyGenius | 01/28/06

LogicallyGenius ??? Scrat | 01/28/06

I hate the way people here call Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman names. hipparchus2001 | 01/29/06

If you actually read the GPL draft... Interfecus | 02/01/06

Huh? chuckduffy | 03/08/06

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