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working for free?: the programers get paid to prgram no matter what they are doing, by their employer. your outsourcing argument is plain stupid, because it's not just open source that's outsourcing (MS is too BTW).
and so what if they give away the code for free. their business is NOT the code. their business is a whole system package (including installation and maintentence support).
and lastly, think about the fact that many... many software projects are NOT made to be sold. they are made internally to SAVE a company money. in these cases, why not use open source? it will save you much time and money in developing.; Posted by: ryusen Posted on: 02/12/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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It cost lots of money to use Open source tech3204@... | 02/12/04

That is one of the BitTwiddler | 02/12/04

i disagree ryusen | 02/12/04

Relevance? IT_User | 02/12/04

Stop Feeding Trolls!! (NT) Mack DaNife | 02/12/04

Yeah, okay IT_User | 02/12/04

What does it matter? Mack DaNife | 02/12/04

Yeah. Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 02/12/04

Re: Suppose it's souther_pride? Martin Marvinski | 02/13/04

Yes, but if you are deploying 1,000 web servers?? DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

um... ryusen | 02/12/04

'FREE' is not about price, it's about freedom dvf | 02/12/04

Read the article again Mark Miller | 02/14/04

Quality wise michael-t | 02/12/04

It's easy to compete... BitTwiddler | 02/12/04

Not sure it's that easy, but... IT_User | 02/12/04

So all the support is free, hardware is free??? tech3204@... | 02/12/04

There you go again IT_User | 02/12/04

Not free for proprietary software either. Much less to support Linux/Apache DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

With all the money, no linux desktop? Very good return there.... tech3204@... | 02/12/04

Oh, yeah. null (perfect name!) = Goober, our troll from last week. dicktaurus@... | 02/12/04

Look at Suns Java Desktop System. DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

Suns java = Suse 8.2 renamed tech3204@... | 02/12/04

The kernel is SUSE, but the desktop is Gnome. DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

Why? Update victim | 02/12/04

It takes time I_like_linux | 02/12/04

And no idea how far Linux has gone in recent years CobraA1 | 02/12/04

no linux desktop? richdave | 02/13/04

Will the company be funded by the Government? tech3204@... | 02/12/04

Talk to the programmers at IBM, Red Hat, Novel, JBoss, MySQL . . . DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

Re: talk tech3204@... | 02/12/04

Outsourcing OhMyGosh | 02/12/04

Outsourcing to India is capitalism in action. rafe01 | 02/12/04

You can not fight the market anymore than MS can fight Linux. DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

working for free? ryusen | 02/12/04

or will we force OEMs to sell it for a GPL tax - LOL JWatson77 | 02/13/04

My id has been replaced by null tech3204@... | 02/12/04

perfect match Rembrandt Pussyhorse | 02/12/04

null = no value, like sheet for brains. DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

Well, your comments go to /dev/null, so what are you complaining aout? DanIelWalker_z | 02/13/04

By Crushing Everything in Your Path Bill Gates is Satan | 02/12/04

Bill Gates is not Satan. I can prove it. Delaware Boy | 02/12/04

Bill or Steve Bill4 | 02/12/04

Relevance? zd-spam | 02/12/04

details... ryusen | 02/12/04

Really, Microsoft created open source. DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

Curious about something IT_User | 02/12/04

IBM was in court just like Microsoft. DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

Thanks IT_User | 02/12/04

if anything, ryusen | 02/12/04

Easy might not be the word issthatso | 02/12/04

Its not the price, it's the value StorageGuru | 02/12/04

the crux of your arument ryusen | 02/12/04

Well on the desktop, Windows is still better tech3204@... | 02/12/04

It's experience that counts StorageGuru | 02/12/04

Linux's offering is an alternative "not to switch" IT_User | 02/12/04

Exactly pschroeder@... | 02/12/04

Additionally... pschroeder@... | 02/12/04

Maybe it's just me then Michael Kelly | 02/12/04

Which distro... pschroeder@... | 02/12/04

SuSE 9.0 Michael Kelly | 02/12/04

Let's See Here nikoli | 02/12/04

Costs Letophoro | 02/12/04

Disagree Slightly RedHat9User | 02/12/04

I think you have included some myths here. nite_w0lf | 02/12/04

myth #1 tech3204@... | 02/12/04

It IS for me. doe_z | 02/12/04

Yeah, right. zd-spam | 02/12/04

Issue: Support rock06r | 02/13/04

No myths at all StorageGuru | 02/12/04

The thread was for linux desktops! nite_w0lf | 02/12/04

you can use windows and open source JWatson77 | 02/12/04

Perhaps a reason to switch...... Iain_Peters | 02/12/04

Better? Update victim | 02/12/04

MS problem: Desktop Linux is good enough. DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

95% of the people say no it isn't. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/12/04

The monopoly will not be broken over nite. DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

Not quite good enough Bill Weisgerber | 02/12/04

Corporations do not buy their computers at Office Max DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

Large corporations IT_User | 02/12/04

What proprietary software? Mack DaNife | 02/12/04

Apples and oranges rock06r | 02/13/04

Excellent Quote Chad_z | 02/12/04

Re: Excellent Quote issthatso | 02/12/04

just goes to prove JWatson77 | 02/13/04

It's about time s/w got commoditized. dicktaurus@... | 02/12/04

Amazing it took so long IT_User | 02/12/04

Taxes pschroeder@... | 02/12/04

Is that really a good thing? No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/12/04

Actually j.m.galvin | 02/12/04

That sums it up nicely. IT_User | 02/12/04

Was commoditizing the hardware architecture a good thing? IT_User | 02/12/04

Will the price on the companys service come down? NO tech3204@... | 02/12/04

Ever listen to Greenspan? Mack DaNife | 02/12/04

Idle words CobraA1 | 02/12/04

Open Source NEEDS to be crushed... Mike Cox | 02/12/04

Sorry, Mike Yagotta B. Kidding | 02/12/04

You missed the brilliant subtlety j.m.galvin | 02/12/04

No, I didn't Yagotta B. Kidding | 02/12/04

So how do you explain Google and Amazon? DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

Make the Open source users take drug tests tech3204@... | 02/12/04

ZDNet needs to limit the number of threads started by a person Michael Kelly | 02/12/04

MS are doing research on this... rafe01 | 02/12/04

Trolls Mack DaNife | 02/12/04

ZDNET needs to require a minimum age and IQ marksashton | 02/13/04

Windoze is so great is completely hosed my system ! realitycheck101 | 02/12/04

and there you have it folks! nite_w0lf | 02/12/04

Correction! ShadeTree | 02/12/04

Reinstall Yagotta B. Kidding | 02/12/04

it sounds like... pschroeder@... | 02/12/04

He's not the only one IT_User | 02/12/04

MS is competing with Open Source and doing quite well tech3204@... | 02/12/04

where guido_z | 02/12/04

Re: where Mark Miller | 02/14/04

Then why do you have to argue for Microsoft I_like_linux | 02/12/04

Linux struggles on the desktop, but it will take over next year, whatever! tech3204@... | 02/12/04

which version guido_z | 02/12/04

Decent Web Browser? nikoli | 02/12/04

Next year is the year of the 'Linux desktop' I forgot tech3204@... | 02/12/04

Actually, it was LAST year Michael Kelly | 02/12/04

last year tech3204@... | 02/12/04

You sound like the Iraqi information minister. DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

You must be on the wrong side tech3204@... | 02/12/04

WHATEVER.... The Real Bitch | 02/12/04

You won't find me supporting the terror groups at MS. DonnieBoy | 02/12/04

What A Suprise nikoli | 02/12/04

Huh??? You said you wanted a copy of Windows Lite. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/12/04

ms sails towards her own destiny guido_z | 02/12/04

Purity? Update victim | 02/12/04

Maybe Not Any More Safe nikoli | 02/12/04

Wow.. Patrick Jones | 02/12/04

I Fail To See nikoli | 02/12/04

copy functionality, yes CobraA1 | 02/16/04

fsf guido_z | 02/12/04

Easy...Premium Content jfrankcarr | 02/12/04

Cable model pschroeder@... | 02/12/04

The truth about Linux... +-Chris-+ | 02/12/04

Liar Liar nikoli | 02/12/04

nikoli, post something constructive. +-Chris-+ | 02/13/04

Yes, and hopefully... Mark Miller | 02/14/04

Mostly agree with you jfrankcarr | 02/12/04

Partly agree with you IT_User | 02/12/04

Great Post... wploger | 02/13/04

re : How can you compete with open source? JWatson77 | 02/12/04

I would like to vote for "null"... Damon K | 02/12/04

seconded (nt) ryusen | 02/12/04

I know, I know!!! Let me take a stab at it. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/12/04

By the way, this will work for others too. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/12/04

Interesting thoughts... Patrick Jones | 02/12/04

I agree completely. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/12/04

Not sure they didn't IT_User | 02/12/04

Similar things have happened, though unsuccessfully Mark Miller | 02/14/04

Sometimes I wonder rapson | 02/12/04

But giving in is not winning. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/12/04

Which is more important, ego or profit? IT_User | 02/12/04

Staright from your lips to Bill G. ear!!! No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/13/04

Oops, one more thought... No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/12/04

my theory ryusen | 02/12/04

Interesting theory rapson | 02/12/04

who knows.. ryusen | 02/13/04

.Net on Linux wploger | 02/13/04

so selling the same old thing over and over is you answer? JWatson77 | 02/12/04

Hey, I didn't invent the system. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/12/04

no surprises guido_z | 02/12/04

Inhibitive strategies IT_User | 02/12/04

Forgot this... IT_User | 02/12/04

'hmmm guido_z | 02/12/04

depends on the patents... ryusen | 02/12/04

xml scripting? guido_z | 02/12/04

Yes indeed. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/13/04

Seems I wasn't far off!!! No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/13/04

If you're proprietary and closed, you can't FilledOut | 02/12/04

Of course you can, see my post above. No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/12/04

Not if your "partners" don't go along j.m.galvin | 02/12/04

Naw, people still line up to be "partners". No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/12/04

I'd argue that j.m.galvin | 02/12/04

But, it's not about OEMs No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/13/04

already.... guido_z | 02/12/04

now I'm trolling guido_z | 02/12/04

Doh...the open source debacle jimk_z | 02/12/04

Silly myths created by the press brad.mayes | 02/13/04

Consulting's growth is not tied to OSS j.m.galvin | 02/13/04

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