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I just don't know if I agree with their DRM stance
I do believe in that users should have freedoms with regards to the programs that they use. They should be able to do whatever they want with that. But data is very different. Data, much more often than not, is something that should only be seen by a select group of people (or a single person). There SHOULD be optional controls that the creator of a file can put on to prevent its being seen by unfriendly eyes. By stating that DRM is discouraged, the GPLv3 is in fact saying that they are taking away my right to do something with a program that I need. And that goes completely against the philosophy that I bought into.

DRM in and of itself is a very good thing. However DRM has earned a bad reputation because of the unfair (and sometimes illegal, e.g. Sony) limitations the copyright holders have placed on the data, even for those who have purchased the rights to use it. But banning all DRM simply because some abuse it is not the right approach. Since those who abuse it do so because they think it will earn them more money, the way to beat it is to give them NO money. Refuse to do business with them until their terms are acceptable.

And for those who think the terms won't be acceptable until the RIAA/MPAA allow free P2P sharing: You guys are the ones who created this problem, so knock it off.
Posted by: Michael Kelly   Posted on: 01/16/06 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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GPL is pointless...  Mike Cox | 01/16/06
going with 6.5  Monkey_MCSE | 01/16/06
Ah! 7.1, not bad Mikey. I especially like your telling ...  Judas I. | 01/16/06
Only a 6 ...  ac2_z | 01/16/06
You're losing your touch Mike  Steve Z | 01/16/06
Evidence?  nalyd357 | 01/16/06
You must be a new fish.  shallow_diver | 01/17/06
mike more intensity  toxicfreak | 01/18/06
Should have a clause so you can't use ANY GPLed software if you file an  DonnieBoy | 01/16/06
Don't think so...  John L. Ries | 01/16/06
Yes, it would be legal. If it were part of the GPL, you would only give  DonnieBoy | 01/16/06
Pretend you're talking to a demon who wants to twist your words ...  __howard__ | 01/16/06
Read again what I am saying. I did not include proprietary software in the  DonnieBoy | 01/16/06
Does IBM distribute Linux?  __howard__ | 01/16/06
They Let Red Hat and SuSE do that  Edward Meyers | 01/16/06
If they ship computers with factory installed Linux, they are distributing  DonnieBoy | 01/17/06
Not ALL Patents...  krehbiel | 01/17/06
But, they can NOT exclude any patents. True, if a given patent  DonnieBoy | 01/17/06
Isn't this clause pretty much useless?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
More restriction  Suicida| | 02/15/06
Hmmm...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/16/06
You probably won't have any worries  Michael Kelly | 01/16/06
NOT true, the GPL allows you to distribute under newer versions WITHOUT  DonnieBoy | 01/16/06
Depends ...  __howard__ | 01/16/06
If they used the GPL v2, they agree to that clause. That clause is PART  DonnieBoy | 01/16/06
That clause you quoted  Michael Kelly | 01/17/06
But if you put a version number, users can still distribute copies under  DonnieBoy | 01/17/06
Ok, I just realized that it was a suggested way to apply  DonnieBoy | 01/17/06
False  John L. Ries | 01/17/06
Ok, thanks, I had not realized that.  DonnieBoy | 01/17/06
Correct me if I'm wrong!  Cratig | 01/17/06
Derivitive Work  Patrick Jones | 01/17/06
Grrr  CobraA1 | 01/17/06
Not acceptable...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
I just don't know if I agree with their DRM stance  Michael Kelly | 01/16/06
Well, we certainly DO want to be able to play movies on Linux.  DonnieBoy | 01/16/06
DRM applied to software code  krehbiel | 01/17/06
I agree  Patrick Jones | 01/17/06
But why would they go out of their way to say that?  Michael Kelly | 01/17/06
Because the it's about plhilosophy more than anything else  CobraA1 | 01/17/06
Upon re-reading...  Patrick Jones | 01/17/06
More than a jab at DRM..  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
Nope  Patrick Jones | 01/17/06
Re: More than a jab at DRM..  none none | 01/17/06
none none: I DO want DRM so does corporations.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
None None, Why?  Patrick Jones | 01/17/06
Re: none none: I DO want DRM so does corporations.  none none | 01/17/06
None None: Afraid not...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
Re: None None, Why?  none none | 01/17/06
none noen, keep thinking that...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
No_axe: What is the problem, and why is DRM the only solution?  CobraA1 | 01/17/06
Tons of reasons...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
A serious question for No_ax...  Michael Kelly | 01/17/06
hmm . . .  CobraA1 | 01/18/06
Wrong...  techboy_z | 01/17/06
software  ipfresh@... | 01/17/06
Can the GPL really be enforced overseas...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
Doesn't matter  John L. Ries | 01/17/06
I agree, to an extent...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
That would be up to copyright holders  John L. Ries | 01/17/06
That remains to be seen...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
Well,  Patrick Jones | 01/17/06
Neither will ever happen.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
Never say never..  Patrick Jones | 01/17/06
Re: Neither will ever happen.  none none | 01/17/06
I did at work  Patrick Jones | 01/18/06
Re: Can the GPL really be enforced overseas...  none none | 01/17/06
Was there a point?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
No free software license can prevent that  John L. Ries | 01/17/06
So you agree we could see an Asian specific version of Linux.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
Sure (that's being worked on now)  John L. Ries | 01/17/06
Ummm, the Asian market is larger than all others combined.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
Red Flag Linux came out in 2000.  B.O.F.H. | 01/17/06
Or Restriction  Suicida| | 02/15/06
Um..  Patrick Jones | 01/17/06
No, a very few people have it...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
Sure...  Patrick Jones | 01/17/06
Buy yourself a clue.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
You were there?  Patrick Jones | 01/18/06
If the GPL is unenforceable, chances are so are other licenses (nt)  CobraA1 | 01/18/06
Pleeaasse  dekirk6@... | 01/17/06
Re:  Patrick Jones | 01/17/06
The most suprising thing is that nobody is reacting, all is quiet.  DonnieBoy | 01/17/06
I don't find it surprising at all  Michael Kelly | 01/17/06
I think folks are trying to decide their position.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/17/06
for once, I agree  CobraA1 | 01/18/06

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