The right decision.
Anton Philidor | 11/28/05
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The right decision?
htotten | 11/28/05
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Don't you want Microsoft to improve the product?
Anton Philidor | 11/28/05
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Improving Standards
zztong | 11/28/05
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Does a standard communicate information...
Anton Philidor | 11/28/05
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Network effect
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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Improvement (?)
htotten | 11/28/05
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The problem is NOT improvment. it is Proprietariness
Update victim | 11/28/05
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The problem is NOT improvment.
Update victim | 11/28/05
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Re: Don't you want Microsoft to improve the product?
JDThompson | 11/29/05
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Microsoft has no choice but to fight ODF
Quiet_Type | 11/29/05
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Hang on, you seem to have your wires crossed.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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Cost....
htotten | 11/28/05
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Yes the GPL has a cost.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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Aren't you smarter than this No_Ax?
Steve Z | 11/28/05
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I was waiting for someone to point that out
Edward Meyers | 11/28/05
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Boy, I can't wait to see No_Ax's reply to this...
beerman_z | 11/28/05
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You're smarter than this No_Ax
Steve Z | 11/28/05
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You're smarter than this No_Ax
Steve Z | 11/28/05
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read the GPL
Scott W | 11/29/05
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GPL misconceptions
JDThompson | 11/29/05
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Re: Yes the GPL has a cost.
none none | 11/29/05
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Not quite done done
osreinstall | 11/29/05
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Re: Hang on, you seem to have your wires crossed.
none none | 11/29/05
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Oh dear
Anti_Zealot | 11/30/05
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But it never would have happened if not for ...
Judas I. | 11/28/05
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Microsoft doesn't want its products used widely?
Anton Philidor | 11/28/05
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Sure, they want their products "used widely," ...
Judas I. | 11/28/05
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How did the MA officials know...
Anton Philidor | 11/28/05
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Go back to Social Studies 101, Anton.
Judas I. | 11/28/05
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Sorry but your wrong...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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For me, a return visit.
Anton Philidor | 11/28/05
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You are gathering allies without their permission OB.
osreinstall | 11/28/05
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osreinstall: check facts
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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Yagotta I know you didn't check facts.
osreinstall | 11/28/05
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osreinstall: volley
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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osreinstall: volley
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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Right back at you Yagotta
osreinstall | 11/28/05
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osreinstall: data
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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Return volley Yagotta
osreinstall | 11/28/05
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osreinstall: proof by forcible repetition
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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osreinstall: Here's how to get me on your side...
Michael Kelly | 11/28/05
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2 volleys
osreinstall | 11/28/05
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OSR, I am going to have to stop reading your posts, man!
The King's Servant | 11/29/05
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That is up to you servant.
osreinstall | 11/29/05
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Gimme a break
mosborne | 11/29/05
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RE: ...Up to you, Servant.
The King's Servant | 11/29/05
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Nice try
osreinstall | 11/29/05
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Gimme a break
mosborne | 11/29/05
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Gimme a break
mosborne | 11/29/05
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Nope Mosborne, you cannot have open source at all costs.
osreinstall | 11/29/05
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This was an open process...
Physco Dude | 11/29/05
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Partisanship
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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Yeah, but, remember, I said ...
Judas I. | 11/28/05
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Why did MS decide to change the license terms originally?
Steve Z | 11/28/05
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Because developers wanted the change.
Anton Philidor | 11/29/05
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You seem to be confused on timing. XML has been part
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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Timing...
htotten | 11/28/05
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Not quite true...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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True but unimportant
Michael Kelly | 11/28/05
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I don't know about that....
el1jones | 11/28/05
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If ms's Open XML any different than PDF?
JoeMama_z | 11/28/05
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I don't consider PDF as an open standard either...
el1jones | 11/28/05
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I wasn't really suggesting you....
JoeMama_z | 11/28/05
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heh....
JoeMama_z | 11/28/05
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It is ZDnet's reliance on ...
ShadeTree | 11/28/05
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Okay, I'm impressed... but...
el1jones | 11/28/05
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couldn't tell ya......
JoeMama_z | 11/28/05
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Hmmm, I've used them all, what do you think is missing?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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Really?
Rick_K | 11/28/05
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additionally,...
The King's Servant | 11/29/05
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Free Reader...
htotten | 11/28/05
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Update? hmmm, how many Adobe Reader updates
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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PDF is open
JDThompson | 11/29/05
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So wrong I can't even count them all.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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ODF Not GPLed
Edward Meyers | 11/28/05
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Invitation
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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Neither does MA
jjanks | 11/29/05
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Put foot in mouth, and speak...
Physco Dude | 11/28/05
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What on earth are you talking about?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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you were of the opinion MSXML was suitable before the licence changes
hipparchus2001 | 11/28/05
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Ummm, what have they been using all these years?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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You mean
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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I have been using OOo since 1.x
The King's Servant | 11/29/05
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Oh and as to the IT wage earners...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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employ a professional get an honest answer. "Yes" men are cheaper
hipparchus2001 | 11/28/05
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If you had followed the saga...
Physco Dude | 11/30/05
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Not yet
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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can other tools author the MSXML now?
hipparchus2001 | 11/28/05
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can other tools author the MSXML now?
hipparchus2001 | 11/28/05
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YOu bet they can, all they need do is accept the GPL license...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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which one (they are all different)
hipparchus2001 | 11/28/05
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There is no value in using MSXML anyway
hipparchus2001 | 11/28/05
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Not fair reporting
TomM_z | 11/28/05
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Good point (nt)
el1jones | 11/28/05
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High profile ODF users?
Quiet_Type | 11/29/05
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Extend and extinguish
tero_t_vaananen@... | 11/28/05
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WRONG!
vdraken | 11/28/05
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How many
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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embrace, extend, extinguish
JDThompson | 11/29/05
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Patent encumbered?
Nigel Johnstone | 11/28/05
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True, open source (Linux) is gathering and using patents.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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I congradulate both sides
Michael Kelly | 11/28/05
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me too, but technically MSXML is lousy
hipparchus2001 | 11/28/05
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Hmmm, how does ODF handle rights management?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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Of course if MS had given their input when given the chance
Michael Kelly | 11/28/05
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Don must be happy indeed
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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Don must be happy indeed
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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Don must be happy indeed
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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Don must be happy indeed
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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OASIS Has Different Specs For Rights Management
Edward Meyers | 11/28/05
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file formats can't manage copyright
hipparchus2001 | 11/28/05
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file formats can't manage copyright
hipparchus2001 | 11/28/05
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And a red herring...
John Le'Brecage | 11/28/05
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How does MSO XML handle rights management?
Physco Dude | 11/29/05
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Formats don't handle rights, programs do.
mosborne | 11/29/05
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What I find interesting is ...
George Jay | 11/28/05
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Huh? What is unproven?
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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Unproven
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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YBK, Office has had XML for years.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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Office 2003 Is Not Office 12/OPEN XML
Edward Meyers | 11/28/05
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And the beat goes on...
Physco Dude | 11/28/05
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Penalties for non-compliance needed
Sxooter_z | 11/28/05
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Only if it works both ways...
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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Orwell
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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Maybe you should read what I wrote again.
Sxooter_z | 11/29/05
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Validation
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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GReat idea, Especially the reversion to Public Domain. -NT
Update victim | 11/29/05
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Alas, it only works the other way.
blu_z | 12/01/05
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I.E, Microsoft Came In And Threatened Mass.
itanalyst | 11/28/05
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So, do I say "I Told You So" yet??/
No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/28/05
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Of course you do
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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just as well microsoft didnt resort to dirty tricks
hipparchus2001 | 11/28/05
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Improving customer goodwill
Michael Kelly | 11/28/05
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Small world
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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Small world
Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/28/05
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No, you get to eat crow.
John Le'Brecage | 11/28/05
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right when I'm gone totally cold about it:- it's junk
hipparchus2001 | 11/28/05
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Schemas # Format
mosborne | 11/28/05
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Interesting...
John Le'Brecage | 11/28/05
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Sure
mosborne | 11/30/05
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Why IP owners should fret
vampares | 11/28/05
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