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Hahahaha, moving on to argumentum ad hominem already? wink
You seem intent on personally committing every fallacy you accuse No_Ax of happy

[quote]I suggest that you look up "argumentum ad ignorantium." It doesn' mean what you apparently think it does.[/quote]

Actually, you are the one who evidently doesn't know what it means. here, I'll [url=http://www.luc.edu/faculty/avande1/logic/defs-chap6.htm]help you out[/url] wink I'll even quote the source for you:

"In this type of argument the arguer claims that the conclusion is correct because no one has proved that it is wrong"

You have precisely done that. You concluded that Office routinely corrupts shared docs by asserting this through anecdotal evidence. You have formed your belief and stand by it simply because you haven't been shown proof to the contrary. You rest your case on, what do you call it? Ah yes "post-traumatic counseling".

[quote]That's "staffs," and the conjecture is Don's stock response when an MS application doesn't work in someone's system: blame the user or admins[/quote]

So really you're arguing a non-existent argument?

[quote]Maybe Tsu Dho Nimh will show up on this one and add more details.[/quote]

I'm sure this is what passes for a witty reply. It's perhaps more telling that you still rely on anecdotal references and not fact or evidence.

[quote]I'm sure that's nice. So are many other products, with much longer track records (e.g. CVS) As the question goes, though, "but will they come when you call them?"[/quote]

Um....you are comparing Office to CVS? Ok....you do understand there is a difference between document collaboration and shared source/version control? MS offers many other products that compete with CVS (as just one example, consider VSS). Office is not one of them.

[quote]I'm sure that the people who thought that they lost work because their documents went divergent will feel much better knowing that it was all imaginary.[/quote]

Back to argumentum ad ignorantiam are we? I show you proof, you reject it. Ok. I'm not saying document corruption doesn't exist, I'm giving you a real world example that it's perhaps more rare than you think.

[quote] I know I've done a lot of gratis file repair over the years, but maybe that was also imaginary.[/quote]

Again, you are confusing personal anecdotal evidence with a logical argument. Perhaps this is the argumentum ad populum you liked to accuse other people of?

[quote]Stephen's Guide might help you avoid future embarassment.[/quote]

Judging by your other comments, you must have just recently finished reading it huh? =P It's ok, you may want to re-read it one more time. Slower this time maybe? wink
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Downloading as I type...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/16/05
Yeah - I started about 45 minutes ago...  Confused by religion | 11/16/05
I would say your right.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/16/05
Wants Vs. Needs  jasonp@... | 11/17/05
And that is as it should be.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
OpenOffice 2.0  IT-sys | 11/16/05
And I hope one day someone downloads it too.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/16/05
Done  IT_User | 11/17/05
Done  IT_User | 11/17/05
Done (some time ago)  BanjoPaterson | 11/17/05
Done, Done, Done, and Done.  nucrash | 11/17/05
Done x5  Chad_z | 11/17/05
Not done.  A_Pickle | 11/17/05
SO! Proprietary - Good; Proprietary - BAD; But OSS is COMPATIBLE (NT)  Update victim | 11/17/05
Done  Dave P. | 11/17/05
Looks good?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 11/20/05
Looks good?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 11/20/05
Done - for both desktop and laptop  CobraA1 | 11/17/05
And I hope  Anti_Zealot | 11/19/05
And I hope  Anti_Zealot | 11/19/05
Spreadsheet?  KTLA | 11/16/05
No, it's not a spreadsheet  IT_User | 11/17/05
"Calc" is a complete joke.  KTLA | 11/17/05
A complete joke  IT_User | 11/17/05
KTLA?  IT_User | 11/17/05
Serious spreadsheet application  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 11/20/05
Not quite  Jay Cash | 11/17/05
Be nice  Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/17/05
Works fine for me  CobraA1 | 11/17/05
Apples and Onions...  Confused by religion | 11/17/05
With what Mail...  nucrash | 11/17/05
If you're a Microsoft only shop, perhaps  mosborne | 11/17/05
Really?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
Automatons  Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/17/05
I've never had a corrupted <ocument. Do you need lessons?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
Argumentum ad Ignorantiam  Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/17/05
LOL Yagotta, you definitely have got to be kidding me =P  java.user | 11/17/05
RE: LOL  Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/17/05
Hahahaha, moving on to argumentum ad hominem already? wink  java.user | 11/17/05
Ad hominem?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 11/21/05
export and import xml  MIS Master | 11/17/05
And this matters how?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/17/05
Ah, Yagotta  java.user | 11/17/05
Using OpenOffice for last 2 Years and HAPPY  BanjoPaterson | 11/17/05
Apples and Onions...  Confused by religion | 11/17/05
figured reading this story...  Monkey_MCSE | 11/16/05
Dude, get a grip.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/16/05
you really need to learn reading comprehension as of late  Monkey_MCSE | 11/16/05
You said...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
hmmm as I said, you need comprehensions skills  Monkey_MCSE | 11/17/05
Actually, I'd suggest a remedial class in sentence construction  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
The only person  Monkey_MCSE | 11/17/05
No, no one else cared about your silly posts is all.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
such witty retort you have  Monkey_MCSE | 11/17/05
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initials betas...  Monkey_MCSE | 11/16/05
Actually...  Confused by religion | 11/17/05
Monkey is very confused, don't listen  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
it's official  Monkey_MCSE | 11/17/05
Explain your self here...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
I see YOUR mistake...  Monkey_MCSE | 11/17/05
No, that is a direct quote from your post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
so in fact, you do see where you  Monkey_MCSE | 11/17/05
I have to agree  Confused by religion | 11/17/05
Read it again Milly  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
read my reply to your former  Monkey_MCSE | 11/17/05
Read your first post, maybe you can figure it out.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
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Is There A Summary Site?  Doc Farmer | 11/17/05
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Bummer  Doc Farmer | 11/17/05
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  Confused by religion | 11/17/05
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  Confused by religion | 11/17/05
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  Confused by religion | 11/17/05
Corel Office Suite  nucrash | 11/17/05
Yet another version of Office...I'm so excited, NOT!  Laff | 11/17/05
Great non-issue of the Western World  IT_User | 11/17/05
That may be true if your needs are minimal and simple.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
Your point was?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/17/05
Did you have a point other than to rant uselessly?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
Flies?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 11/17/05
True, getting down to your level of ranting is hard.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
Where do you get your statistics?  IT_User | 11/17/05
Straight from MS sales stats.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
Great source!  IT_User | 11/17/05
Certainly  IT_User | 11/17/05
Of an ability to read..  Seenidog | 11/17/05
lmao  IT Scion | 11/18/05
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Some people just like to upgrade things.  B.O.F.H. | 11/17/05
You are simply wrong  No_Ax_to_Grind | 11/17/05
I know exactly why they change.  B.O.F.H. | 11/17/05
It's not exactly 'like'  IT_User | 11/17/05
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