It is their right
FirstNLastN | 10/10/05
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Just one more reason to use Open Source. You don't have these problems.
DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
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Open Source = No Support
Bud Man | 10/10/05
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And your point is ...
Taz_z | 10/10/05
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Re: Open Source = No Support
nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
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Free support?
java.user | 10/10/05
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Re: Free support?
nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
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Sometimes it pays to get attention
DevinAt3Sharp | 10/10/05
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Actually there is excellant free support out there for LINUX
maldain | 10/10/05
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So what's your point?
voska | 10/11/05
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Should be obvious
java.user | 10/11/05
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Phone support for free software is a joke
balsover | 10/10/05
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Oh, you never heard of this company called Red Hat??
DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
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MCSEs are incompetent to support open source
matrixdomain | 10/10/05
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Open source is best
Edward@... | 10/11/05
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You don't?
DevinAt3Sharp | 10/10/05
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MCSEs are incompetent to support open source
matrixdomain | 10/10/05
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That's kind of narrow thinking
java.user | 10/10/05
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MCSE is nothing more than a marketing scheme
matrixdomain | 10/10/05
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Great Point. UWI vs CAST (UTech)
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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Still unclear
java.user | 10/11/05
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Re: still unclear
matrixdomain | 10/11/05
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True
Edward@... | 10/11/05
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Faulty generalization
HiRezL | 10/11/05
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Looks like some are making the switch
platinumrat | 10/10/05
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Thanks for the link...
Colonel_Panic | 10/10/05
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LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX!
craig@... | 10/10/05
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Oracle already does this
al_broccoli | 10/10/05
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But....
Yensi717 | 10/10/05
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I've been running Windows for 13+
bjbrock | 10/10/05
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Expect to see some firings...
MmmBuddy | 10/10/05
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And the closed source shops spend 90% of their time on paper work.
DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
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Fact check?
java.user | 10/10/05
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Fact: You can develop and deploy without purchasing a license
DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
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Fact: You can do the same with closed source
java.user | 10/10/05
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If you work for a software dev company...
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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A few corrections
java.user | 10/11/05
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Listen to yourself.
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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Sigh, more corrections
java.user | 10/11/05
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Ooops
java.user | 10/11/05
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Java User, rejoice! This is my last post to you.
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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Yet more corrections
java.user | 10/11/05
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Oops
java.user | 10/11/05
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Licensing
Safemode196 | 10/13/05
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re: Licensing
java.user | 10/13/05
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Fact: You can develop and deploy without purchasing a license
dogman01@... | 10/11/05
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TCO
Yensi717 | 10/10/05
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Yes, there are a lot of TCO studies showing closed source is cheaper.
DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
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Seriously flawed logic
Yensi717 | 10/10/05
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You're Right!
Chad_z | 10/11/05
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Where do you guys work?
java.user | 10/11/05
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and they require tonnes of paperwork because...?
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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Such hostility
java.user | 10/11/05
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Yes, I have read the GPL & LGPL!
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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You should pay me for teaching you... 
java.user | 10/11/05
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I lied! That wasn't my last post.
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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Than enlighten me
IT Scion | 10/10/05
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Hmmm
FirstNLastN | 10/10/05
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Sounds like what I thought when I read it...
ajole | 10/10/05
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Actually, it costs the same
java.user | 10/10/05
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Why divide and not subtract?
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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LOL
java.user | 10/11/05
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Thanks for correcting my maths.
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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No prob, I can be your English tutor too
java.user | 10/11/05
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I Lied, again! Actuall you don't pay for 16.
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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more corrections
java.user | 10/11/05
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And . . .
HiRezL | 10/11/05
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You ought to be kidding me
toomuchgreeatea@... | 10/10/05
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RE: Than enlighten me
nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
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Not true
java.user | 10/10/05
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Re: Not true
nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
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Sure
java.user | 10/10/05
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Er,... TODAY? Does that mean december?
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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Hahahaa
java.user | 10/11/05
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RE:Hahaha
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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Oh man
java.user | 10/11/05
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Never again.
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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yet more corrections
java.user | 10/11/05
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BTW, not you specifically
java.user | 10/10/05
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Good for you
sykandtyed | 10/10/05
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SUSE 10
Tim Patterson | 10/10/05
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Read as...
BitTwiddler | 10/10/05
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one possibility
java.user | 10/10/05
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Good and Bad
nucrash | 10/10/05
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Yes, the pitfalls of proprietary software. With Open Source, you don't have
DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
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Only criminal I see here is...
John Zern | 10/10/05
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Seems to me, the ignorant ones make posts without an argument.
DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
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Open Source isn't the endall though.
nucrash | 10/10/05
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Sorry, your dead wrong.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/10/05
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I explained this already
Sabz5150 | 10/10/05
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This is exactly why smart companies are moving to open source.
DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
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Donnie, what ever gave you this FALSE concept.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/10/05
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Sabz5150 | 10/10/05
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MCSEs don't know that
matrixdomain | 10/10/05
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MCSEs don't know that
matrixdomain | 10/10/05
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And you define "professional" as
Richard Flude | 10/10/05
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aack, more inaccurate information
CobraA1 | 10/10/05
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"emerging" into their revenue stream....
nottheusual1 | 10/10/05
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It's "emerging" as a way for MS ...
Judas I. | 10/10/05
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Exactly
WhoDaMan | 10/10/05
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Re: aack, more inaccurate information
nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
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inaccurate information about inaccurate information
bknittel | 10/10/05
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Good Point - We've been running production VM servers for 25 years...
Plain Logic | 10/10/05
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VMs have been around longer than 386
cmello | 10/10/05
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even older than the 386
european | 10/11/05
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Did You Linux Zealots Even Read the 2nd Page
jjworleyeoe | 10/10/05
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Thank goodness for competition
Michael Kelly | 10/10/05
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And when
IT Scion | 10/10/05
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Absolutely
Michael Kelly | 10/10/05
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following a very popular business model
jeasterl | 10/10/05
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They drove prices down?
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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Historically
java.user | 10/11/05
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So Igot all that and more...
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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Hmmm, and you still missed the point....
java.user | 10/11/05
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Re: And when
nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
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Amazing...
robradina@... | 10/10/05
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MS's price was never an issue with me initially
Michael Kelly | 10/10/05
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You will still have licensing problems. Imagine you want to
DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
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Wouldn't that be the same
IT Scion | 10/10/05
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With open source components, you do not have any of these problems.
DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
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No, Smart Shops
Confused by religion | 10/10/05
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Why would I want to run essentially a big iron app ...
Judas I. | 10/10/05
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I'll Reply Just Once to Your Inaccuracy ...
PMC-CON | 10/10/05
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Some implementations of Enterprise grade Linux are free (cost)
B.O.F.H. | 10/10/05
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Oh, Yeah, TaoLinux is an Enterprise Distro
PMC-CON | 10/10/05
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PMC-CON, they are RHEL clones!
B.O.F.H. | 10/10/05
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Even now, PMC-CON, you still do not get it
Sabz5150 | 10/11/05
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Okay, so where is the per CPu, per Core, per Virtual machine costs?
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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Inaccurate
java.user | 10/11/05
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Yeah, all my friends have WinXP Home running on their servers!
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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Still more corrections
java.user | 10/11/05
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Actually, that's not true either
java.user | 10/10/05
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in other words....
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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Reading comprehension
java.user | 10/11/05
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Which means that I stop using it on e one system...
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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You should take your own advice 
java.user | 10/11/05
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hehehe
IT Scion | 10/10/05
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The solutions offered by MS do not solve all of your licesing headaches
DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
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Re: The solutions offered by MS do not solve all of your licesing headaches
nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
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For servers...
Michael Kelly | 10/10/05
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For desktops...
java.user | 10/10/05
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Windows limited user accounts - limited use
Olorin_z | 10/10/05
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Are you sure you set it up correctly?
java.user | 10/10/05
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Account setup correctly?
Olorin_z | 10/10/05
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Found the answer!
java.user | 10/10/05
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Limited user acount answer didn't work 
Olorin_z | 10/11/05
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Why blame MS?
java.user | 10/11/05
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Oh, one another thing you could try: runas
java.user | 10/11/05
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What does "backward Compatible" mean? (NT)
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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Awww, King's servant
java.user | 10/11/05
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RE: Why blame Microsoft
Olorin_z | 10/11/05
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Awww, Java User...
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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Go for it TKS
java.user | 10/11/05
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Really...
ArtMac | 10/10/05
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Not to quibble, but...
zztong | 10/10/05
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Nothing about time forces M$ to do anything
ajole | 10/10/05
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only 4 VMs?
cmello | 10/10/05
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Multiple VM's on one cpu is very common
spiv | 10/11/05
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Only 4 VMs on a 2 way server?
adeangelis | 10/11/05
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wonder how Sun does it
Boot_Agnostic | 10/10/05
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Companies can use Open Solaris and forget licensing problems.
DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
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Thank you
Boot_Agnostic | 10/10/05
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STOP the FUD.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/10/05
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Re: wonder how Sun does it
nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
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Well, Sun and its partners care
Boot_Agnostic | 10/10/05
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Who cares?
balsover | 10/10/05
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Did You Guys Read the 2nd Page?
jjworleyeoe | 10/10/05
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No...
ArtMac | 10/10/05
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And what of running 64 virtual servers on a two-way system?
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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lol
java.user | 10/11/05
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Logic
FirstNLastN | 10/10/05
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MS is going to TRUST their customers?!?!
Judas I. | 10/10/05
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I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw a Steinway, OB!
osreinstall | 10/10/05
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Shucks, ya really hurt me, osreinstall.
Judas I. | 10/10/05
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Nope, can't remember it, do you recall it, osreinstall?
Judas I. | 10/10/05
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See if this works
osreinstall | 10/10/05
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Last chance OB then it is a mystery
osreinstall | 10/10/05
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Aha! Yes! It was that first one!
Judas I. | 10/11/05
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It was the square rhside bracket
osreinstall | 10/11/05
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Okay, lemme see here ...
Judas I. | 10/11/05
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Got it! Cool! Guess what this number is:
Judas I. | 10/11/05
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So we have the pleasure...
Anton Philidor | 10/11/05
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Well, if you, ...
Judas I. | 10/11/05
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This is your number OB!
osreinstall | 10/11/05
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What's the big deal?
IT Scion | 10/10/05
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Yeah, MS marketing DOES kinda remind you of ...
Judas I. | 10/10/05
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I believe that is the Ganja dealer.
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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the grabbing hand, grabs all it can.
crabbywindowsguy | 10/10/05
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Not true
java.user | 10/10/05
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You must be talking about Red Hat and Novell.
No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/10/05
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Ya mean THESE terms, Axey:
Judas I. | 10/10/05
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Free copies.
Anton Philidor | 10/11/05
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You're right on one point ... sorta.
Judas I. | 10/11/05
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Risky
Anton Philidor | 10/11/05
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Boy, are you right about a BUNCH of things here.
Judas I. | 10/11/05
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Lions Share ...
preacherx | 10/10/05
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VMs on Linux
Otto_Delete | 10/10/05
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My Rep
jimlascola | 10/10/05
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Well then...
ArtMac | 10/10/05
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Ok, Question?
raymarc001 | 10/10/05
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you don't run VMs on crap hw
cmello | 10/10/05
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'Cept that you can run Windows on THE ...
Judas I. | 10/10/05
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Anything to make Microsoft seem like the good guy
tomam | 10/10/05
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Microsoft and "Virtual" Licensing
LeelandWebster@... | 10/10/05
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VIRTUAL Server = REAL Software Costs
jonv | 10/10/05
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COUNTERFEITERS
wirelessmyke@... | 10/10/05
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Dell notebooks and OpenGL
The King's Servant | 10/11/05
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New Virtual Licensing Policy
briancoppola@... | 10/10/05
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Microsoft lowering prices?
An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/11/05
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This is a report about licensing costs.
Anton Philidor | 10/11/05
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Not entirely in best interests of M$ customers
IT Makes Sense | 10/11/05
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Good observation!
An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/11/05
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Re: still unclear: MCSEs & IT Head Hunters
matrixdomain | 10/11/05
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You are blathering again!
osreinstall | 10/11/05
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In fact that's increase of cost for MS OS
PhilippeV | 10/16/05
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You have not understood the story
PhilippeV | 10/16/05
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Licensing woes are almost as old as computing
wresnick | 11/01/05
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