Microsoft takes stand on 'virtual' licensing

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Fact check?: >>And the closed source shops spend 90% of their time on paper work<<

Out of curiosity, is that an actual number? Also, what about support and service agreements? Don't they cost money? If a company were to use an open source program, wouldn't they also need to wait for funding to buy support agreements? I guess it's not a big deal for smaller companies, but I'm pretty sure any large corporation is going to require somebody to maintain the software they buy.; Posted by: java.user Posted on: 10/10/05 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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It is their right FirstNLastN | 10/10/05

Just one more reason to use Open Source. You don't have these problems. DonnieBoy | 10/10/05

Open Source = No Support Bud Man | 10/10/05

And your point is ... Taz_z | 10/10/05

Re: Open Source = No Support nightshade0143 | 10/10/05

Free support? java.user | 10/10/05

Re: Free support? nightshade0143 | 10/10/05

Sometimes it pays to get attention DevinAt3Sharp | 10/10/05

Actually there is excellant free support out there for LINUX maldain | 10/10/05

So what's your point? voska | 10/11/05

Should be obvious java.user | 10/11/05

Phone support for free software is a joke balsover | 10/10/05

Oh, you never heard of this company called Red Hat?? DonnieBoy | 10/10/05

MCSEs are incompetent to support open source matrixdomain | 10/10/05

Open source is best Edward@... | 10/11/05

You don't? DevinAt3Sharp | 10/10/05

MCSEs are incompetent to support open source matrixdomain | 10/10/05

That's kind of narrow thinking java.user | 10/10/05

MCSE is nothing more than a marketing scheme matrixdomain | 10/10/05

Great Point. UWI vs CAST (UTech) The King's Servant | 10/11/05

Still unclear java.user | 10/11/05

Re: still unclear matrixdomain | 10/11/05

True Edward@... | 10/11/05

Faulty generalization HiRezL | 10/11/05

Looks like some are making the switch platinumrat | 10/10/05

Thanks for the link... Colonel_Panic | 10/10/05

LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! craig@... | 10/10/05

Oracle already does this al_broccoli | 10/10/05

But.... Yensi717 | 10/10/05

I've been running Windows for 13+ bjbrock | 10/10/05

Expect to see some firings... MmmBuddy | 10/10/05

And the closed source shops spend 90% of their time on paper work. DonnieBoy | 10/10/05

Fact check? java.user | 10/10/05

Fact: You can develop and deploy without purchasing a license DonnieBoy | 10/10/05

Fact: You can do the same with closed source java.user | 10/10/05

If you work for a software dev company... The King's Servant | 10/11/05

A few corrections java.user | 10/11/05

Listen to yourself. The King's Servant | 10/11/05

Sigh, more corrections java.user | 10/11/05

Ooops java.user | 10/11/05

Java User, rejoice! This is my last post to you. The King's Servant | 10/11/05

Yet more corrections java.user | 10/11/05

Oops java.user | 10/11/05

Licensing Safemode196 | 10/13/05

re: Licensing java.user | 10/13/05

Fact: You can develop and deploy without purchasing a license dogman01@... | 10/11/05

TCO Yensi717 | 10/10/05

Yes, there are a lot of TCO studies showing closed source is cheaper. DonnieBoy | 10/10/05

Seriously flawed logic Yensi717 | 10/10/05

You're Right! Chad_z | 10/11/05

Where do you guys work? java.user | 10/11/05

and they require tonnes of paperwork because...? The King's Servant | 10/11/05

Such hostility java.user | 10/11/05

Yes, I have read the GPL & LGPL! The King's Servant | 10/11/05

You should pay me for teaching you... happy

java.user | 10/11/05

I lied! That wasn't my last post. The King's Servant | 10/11/05

Than enlighten me IT Scion | 10/10/05

Hmmm FirstNLastN | 10/10/05

Sounds like what I thought when I read it... ajole | 10/10/05

Actually, it costs the same java.user | 10/10/05

Why divide and not subtract? The King's Servant | 10/11/05

LOL java.user | 10/11/05

Thanks for correcting my maths. The King's Servant | 10/11/05

No prob, I can be your English tutor too java.user | 10/11/05

I Lied, again! Actuall you don't pay for 16. The King's Servant | 10/11/05

more corrections java.user | 10/11/05

And . . . HiRezL | 10/11/05

You ought to be kidding me toomuchgreeatea@... | 10/10/05

RE: Than enlighten me nightshade0143 | 10/10/05

Not true java.user | 10/10/05

Re: Not true nightshade0143 | 10/10/05

Sure java.user | 10/10/05

Er,... TODAY? Does that mean december? The King's Servant | 10/11/05

Hahahaa java.user | 10/11/05

RE:Hahaha The King's Servant | 10/11/05

Oh man java.user | 10/11/05

Never again. The King's Servant | 10/11/05

yet more corrections java.user | 10/11/05

BTW, not you specifically java.user | 10/10/05

Good for you sykandtyed | 10/10/05

SUSE 10 Tim Patterson | 10/10/05

Read as... BitTwiddler | 10/10/05

one possibility java.user | 10/10/05

Good and Bad nucrash | 10/10/05

Yes, the pitfalls of proprietary software. With Open Source, you don't have DonnieBoy | 10/10/05

Only criminal I see here is... John Zern | 10/10/05

Seems to me, the ignorant ones make posts without an argument. DonnieBoy | 10/10/05

Open Source isn't the endall though. nucrash | 10/10/05

Sorry, your dead wrong. No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/10/05

I explained this already Sabz5150 | 10/10/05

This is exactly why smart companies are moving to open source. DonnieBoy | 10/10/05

Donnie, what ever gave you this FALSE concept. No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/10/05

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Sabz5150 | 10/10/05

MCSEs don't know that matrixdomain | 10/10/05

And you define "professional" as Richard Flude | 10/10/05

aack, more inaccurate information CobraA1 | 10/10/05

"emerging" into their revenue stream.... nottheusual1 | 10/10/05

It's "emerging" as a way for MS ... Judas I. | 10/10/05

Exactly WhoDaMan | 10/10/05

Re: aack, more inaccurate information nightshade0143 | 10/10/05

inaccurate information about inaccurate information bknittel | 10/10/05

Good Point - We've been running production VM servers for 25 years... Plain Logic | 10/10/05

VMs have been around longer than 386 cmello | 10/10/05

even older than the 386 european | 10/11/05

Did You Linux Zealots Even Read the 2nd Page jjworleyeoe | 10/10/05

Thank goodness for competition Michael Kelly | 10/10/05

And when IT Scion | 10/10/05

Absolutely Michael Kelly | 10/10/05

following a very popular business model jeasterl | 10/10/05

They drove prices down? The King's Servant | 10/11/05

Historically java.user | 10/11/05

So Igot all that and more... The King's Servant | 10/11/05

Hmmm, and you still missed the point.... java.user | 10/11/05

Re: And when nightshade0143 | 10/10/05

Amazing... robradina@... | 10/10/05

MS's price was never an issue with me initially Michael Kelly | 10/10/05

You will still have licensing problems. Imagine you want to DonnieBoy | 10/10/05

Wouldn't that be the same IT Scion | 10/10/05

With open source components, you do not have any of these problems. DonnieBoy | 10/10/05

No, Smart Shops Confused by religion | 10/10/05

Why would I want to run essentially a big iron app ... Judas I. | 10/10/05

I'll Reply Just Once to Your Inaccuracy ... PMC-CON | 10/10/05

Some implementations of Enterprise grade Linux are free (cost) B.O.F.H. | 10/10/05

Oh, Yeah, TaoLinux is an Enterprise Distro PMC-CON | 10/10/05

PMC-CON, they are RHEL clones! B.O.F.H. | 10/10/05

Even now, PMC-CON, you still do not get it Sabz5150 | 10/11/05

Okay, so where is the per CPu, per Core, per Virtual machine costs? The King's Servant | 10/11/05

Inaccurate java.user | 10/11/05

Yeah, all my friends have WinXP Home running on their servers! The King's Servant | 10/11/05

Still more corrections java.user | 10/11/05

Actually, that's not true either java.user | 10/10/05

in other words.... The King's Servant | 10/11/05

Reading comprehension java.user | 10/11/05

Which means that I stop using it on e one system... The King's Servant | 10/11/05

You should take your own advice wink

java.user | 10/11/05

hehehe IT Scion | 10/10/05

The solutions offered by MS do not solve all of your licesing headaches DonnieBoy | 10/10/05

Re: The solutions offered by MS do not solve all of your licesing headaches nightshade0143 | 10/10/05

For servers... Michael Kelly | 10/10/05

For desktops... java.user | 10/10/05

Windows limited user accounts - limited use Olorin_z | 10/10/05

Are you sure you set it up correctly? java.user | 10/10/05

Account setup correctly? Olorin_z | 10/10/05

Found the answer! java.user | 10/10/05

Limited user acount answer didn't work sad

Olorin_z | 10/11/05

Why blame MS? java.user | 10/11/05

Oh, one another thing you could try: runas java.user | 10/11/05

What does "backward Compatible" mean? (NT) The King's Servant | 10/11/05

Awww, King's servant java.user | 10/11/05

RE: Why blame Microsoft Olorin_z | 10/11/05

Awww, Java User... The King's Servant | 10/11/05

Go for it TKS java.user | 10/11/05

Really... ArtMac | 10/10/05

Not to quibble, but... zztong | 10/10/05

Nothing about time forces M$ to do anything ajole | 10/10/05

only 4 VMs? cmello | 10/10/05

Multiple VM's on one cpu is very common spiv | 10/11/05

Only 4 VMs on a 2 way server? adeangelis | 10/11/05

wonder how Sun does it Boot_Agnostic | 10/10/05

Companies can use Open Solaris and forget licensing problems. DonnieBoy | 10/10/05

Thank you Boot_Agnostic | 10/10/05

STOP the FUD. No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/10/05

Re: wonder how Sun does it nightshade0143 | 10/10/05

Well, Sun and its partners care Boot_Agnostic | 10/10/05

Who cares? balsover | 10/10/05

Did You Guys Read the 2nd Page? jjworleyeoe | 10/10/05

No... ArtMac | 10/10/05

And what of running 64 virtual servers on a two-way system? The King's Servant | 10/11/05

lol java.user | 10/11/05

Logic FirstNLastN | 10/10/05

MS is going to TRUST their customers?!?! Judas I. | 10/10/05

I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw a Steinway, OB! osreinstall | 10/10/05

Shucks, ya really hurt me, osreinstall. Judas I. | 10/10/05

Nope, can't remember it, do you recall it, osreinstall? Judas I. | 10/10/05

See if this works osreinstall | 10/10/05

Last chance OB then it is a mystery osreinstall | 10/10/05

Aha! Yes! It was that first one! Judas I. | 10/11/05

It was the square rhside bracket osreinstall | 10/11/05

Okay, lemme see here ... Judas I. | 10/11/05

Got it! Cool! Guess what this number is: Judas I. | 10/11/05

So we have the pleasure... Anton Philidor | 10/11/05

Well, if you, ... Judas I. | 10/11/05

This is your number OB! osreinstall | 10/11/05

What's the big deal? IT Scion | 10/10/05

Yeah, MS marketing DOES kinda remind you of ... Judas I. | 10/10/05

I believe that is the Ganja dealer. The King's Servant | 10/11/05

the grabbing hand, grabs all it can. crabbywindowsguy | 10/10/05

Not true java.user | 10/10/05

You must be talking about Red Hat and Novell. No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/10/05

Ya mean THESE terms, Axey: Judas I. | 10/10/05

Free copies. Anton Philidor | 10/11/05

You're right on one point ... sorta. Judas I. | 10/11/05

Risky Anton Philidor | 10/11/05

Boy, are you right about a BUNCH of things here. Judas I. | 10/11/05

Lions Share ... preacherx | 10/10/05

VMs on Linux Otto_Delete | 10/10/05

My Rep jimlascola | 10/10/05

Well then... ArtMac | 10/10/05

Ok, Question? raymarc001 | 10/10/05

you don't run VMs on crap hw cmello | 10/10/05

'Cept that you can run Windows on THE ... Judas I. | 10/10/05

Anything to make Microsoft seem like the good guy tomam | 10/10/05

Microsoft and "Virtual" Licensing LeelandWebster@... | 10/10/05

VIRTUAL Server = REAL Software Costs jonv | 10/10/05

COUNTERFEITERS wirelessmyke@... | 10/10/05

Dell notebooks and OpenGL The King's Servant | 10/11/05

New Virtual Licensing Policy briancoppola@... | 10/10/05

Microsoft lowering prices? An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/11/05

This is a report about licensing costs. Anton Philidor | 10/11/05

Not entirely in best interests of M$ customers IT Makes Sense | 10/11/05

Good observation! An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/11/05

Re: still unclear: MCSEs & IT Head Hunters matrixdomain | 10/11/05

You are blathering again! osreinstall | 10/11/05

In fact that's increase of cost for MS OS PhilippeV | 10/16/05

You have not understood the story PhilippeV | 10/16/05

Licensing woes are almost as old as computing wresnick | 11/01/05

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