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And the closed source shops spend 90% of their time on paper work.
They spend months doing cost analysises to justify software purchases, and are constantly working to figure out how to run the jobs they have without purchasing any more licenses. They want to add functionality, but have to wait a year for the funding of licenses before they can start development. Then when they realize that the closed source package is lacking some key features, it is a six month process convincing the vender, and another six months to a year waiting for the new features. And, sometimes they never arrive and the project fails.

The open source shops can throw together some old desktops for pilot tests, and then when the management sees what they can do, it is easy to get funding for cheap x86 rack servers to run the workload. When the package does not do exactly what they need, they don't have to wait a year, they just do it. These teams are focused on making everything work, not bogged down with paper work and politics.
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It is their right  FirstNLastN | 10/10/05
Just one more reason to use Open Source. You don't have these problems.  DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
Open Source = No Support  Bud Man | 10/10/05
And your point is ...  Taz_z | 10/10/05
Re: Open Source = No Support  nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
Free support?  java.user | 10/10/05
Re: Free support?  nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
Sometimes it pays to get attention  DevinAt3Sharp | 10/10/05
Actually there is excellant free support out there for LINUX  maldain | 10/10/05
So what's your point?  voska | 10/11/05
Should be obvious  java.user | 10/11/05
Phone support for free software is a joke  balsover | 10/10/05
Oh, you never heard of this company called Red Hat??  DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
MCSEs are incompetent to support open source  matrixdomain | 10/10/05
Open source is best  Edward@... | 10/11/05
You don't?  DevinAt3Sharp | 10/10/05
MCSEs are incompetent to support open source  matrixdomain | 10/10/05
That's kind of narrow thinking  java.user | 10/10/05
MCSE is nothing more than a marketing scheme  matrixdomain | 10/10/05
Great Point. UWI vs CAST (UTech)  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
Still unclear  java.user | 10/11/05
Re: still unclear  matrixdomain | 10/11/05
True  Edward@... | 10/11/05
Faulty generalization  HiRezL | 10/11/05
Looks like some are making the switch  platinumrat | 10/10/05
Thanks for the link...  Colonel_Panic | 10/10/05
LINUX! LINUX! LINUX! LINUX!  craig@... | 10/10/05
Oracle already does this  al_broccoli | 10/10/05
But....  Yensi717 | 10/10/05
I've been running Windows for 13+  bjbrock | 10/10/05
Expect to see some firings...  MmmBuddy | 10/10/05
And the closed source shops spend 90% of their time on paper work.  DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
Fact check?  java.user | 10/10/05
Fact: You can develop and deploy without purchasing a license  DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
Fact: You can do the same with closed source  java.user | 10/10/05
If you work for a software dev company...  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
A few corrections  java.user | 10/11/05
Listen to yourself.  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
Sigh, more corrections  java.user | 10/11/05
Ooops  java.user | 10/11/05
Java User, rejoice! This is my last post to you.  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
Yet more corrections  java.user | 10/11/05
Oops  java.user | 10/11/05
Licensing  Safemode196 | 10/13/05
re: Licensing  java.user | 10/13/05
Fact: You can develop and deploy without purchasing a license  dogman01@... | 10/11/05
TCO  Yensi717 | 10/10/05
Yes, there are a lot of TCO studies showing closed source is cheaper.  DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
Seriously flawed logic  Yensi717 | 10/10/05
You're Right!  Chad_z | 10/11/05
Where do you guys work?  java.user | 10/11/05
and they require tonnes of paperwork because...?  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
Such hostility  java.user | 10/11/05
Yes, I have read the GPL & LGPL!  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
You should pay me for teaching you... happy  java.user | 10/11/05
I lied! That wasn't my last post.  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
Than enlighten me  IT Scion | 10/10/05
Hmmm  FirstNLastN | 10/10/05
Sounds like what I thought when I read it...  ajole | 10/10/05
Actually, it costs the same  java.user | 10/10/05
Why divide and not subtract?  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
LOL  java.user | 10/11/05
Thanks for correcting my maths.  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
No prob, I can be your English tutor too  java.user | 10/11/05
I Lied, again! Actuall you don't pay for 16.  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
more corrections  java.user | 10/11/05
And . . .  HiRezL | 10/11/05
You ought to be kidding me  toomuchgreeatea@... | 10/10/05
RE: Than enlighten me  nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
Not true  java.user | 10/10/05
Re: Not true  nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
Sure  java.user | 10/10/05
Er,... TODAY? Does that mean december?  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
Hahahaa  java.user | 10/11/05
RE:Hahaha  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
Oh man  java.user | 10/11/05
Never again.  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
yet more corrections  java.user | 10/11/05
BTW, not you specifically  java.user | 10/10/05
Good for you  sykandtyed | 10/10/05
SUSE 10  Tim Patterson | 10/10/05
Read as...  BitTwiddler | 10/10/05
one possibility  java.user | 10/10/05
Good and Bad  nucrash | 10/10/05
Yes, the pitfalls of proprietary software. With Open Source, you don't have  DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
Only criminal I see here is...  John Zern | 10/10/05
Seems to me, the ignorant ones make posts without an argument.  DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
Open Source isn't the endall though.  nucrash | 10/10/05
Sorry, your dead wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/10/05
I explained this already  Sabz5150 | 10/10/05
This is exactly why smart companies are moving to open source.  DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
Donnie, what ever gave you this FALSE concept.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/10/05
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!  Sabz5150 | 10/10/05
MCSEs don't know that  matrixdomain | 10/10/05
MCSEs don't know that  matrixdomain | 10/10/05
And you define "professional" as  Richard Flude | 10/10/05
aack, more inaccurate information  CobraA1 | 10/10/05
"emerging" into their revenue stream....  nottheusual1 | 10/10/05
It's "emerging" as a way for MS ...  Judas I. | 10/10/05
Exactly  WhoDaMan | 10/10/05
Re: aack, more inaccurate information  nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
inaccurate information about inaccurate information  bknittel | 10/10/05
Good Point - We've been running production VM servers for 25 years...  Plain Logic | 10/10/05
VMs have been around longer than 386  cmello | 10/10/05
even older than the 386  european | 10/11/05
Did You Linux Zealots Even Read the 2nd Page  jjworleyeoe | 10/10/05
Thank goodness for competition  Michael Kelly | 10/10/05
And when  IT Scion | 10/10/05
Absolutely  Michael Kelly | 10/10/05
following a very popular business model  jeasterl | 10/10/05
They drove prices down?  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
Historically  java.user | 10/11/05
So Igot all that and more...  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
Hmmm, and you still missed the point....  java.user | 10/11/05
Re: And when  nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
Amazing...  robradina@... | 10/10/05
MS's price was never an issue with me initially  Michael Kelly | 10/10/05
You will still have licensing problems. Imagine you want to  DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
Wouldn't that be the same  IT Scion | 10/10/05
With open source components, you do not have any of these problems.  DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
No, Smart Shops  Confused by religion | 10/10/05
Why would I want to run essentially a big iron app ...  Judas I. | 10/10/05
I'll Reply Just Once to Your Inaccuracy ...  PMC-CON | 10/10/05
Some implementations of Enterprise grade Linux are free (cost)  B.O.F.H. | 10/10/05
Oh, Yeah, TaoLinux is an Enterprise Distro  PMC-CON | 10/10/05
PMC-CON, they are RHEL clones!  B.O.F.H. | 10/10/05
Even now, PMC-CON, you still do not get it  Sabz5150 | 10/11/05
Okay, so where is the per CPu, per Core, per Virtual machine costs?  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
Inaccurate  java.user | 10/11/05
Yeah, all my friends have WinXP Home running on their servers!  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
Still more corrections  java.user | 10/11/05
Actually, that's not true either  java.user | 10/10/05
in other words....  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
Reading comprehension  java.user | 10/11/05
Which means that I stop using it on e one system...  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
You should take your own advice wink  java.user | 10/11/05
hehehe  IT Scion | 10/10/05
The solutions offered by MS do not solve all of your licesing headaches  DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
Re: The solutions offered by MS do not solve all of your licesing headaches  nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
For servers...  Michael Kelly | 10/10/05
For desktops...  java.user | 10/10/05
Windows limited user accounts - limited use  Olorin_z | 10/10/05
Are you sure you set it up correctly?  java.user | 10/10/05
Account setup correctly?  Olorin_z | 10/10/05
Found the answer!  java.user | 10/10/05
Limited user acount answer didn't work sad  Olorin_z | 10/11/05
Why blame MS?  java.user | 10/11/05
Oh, one another thing you could try: runas  java.user | 10/11/05
What does "backward Compatible" mean? (NT)  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
Awww, King's servant  java.user | 10/11/05
RE: Why blame Microsoft  Olorin_z | 10/11/05
Awww, Java User...  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
Go for it TKS  java.user | 10/11/05
Really...  ArtMac | 10/10/05
Not to quibble, but...  zztong | 10/10/05
Nothing about time forces M$ to do anything  ajole | 10/10/05
only 4 VMs?  cmello | 10/10/05
Multiple VM's on one cpu is very common  spiv | 10/11/05
Only 4 VMs on a 2 way server?  adeangelis | 10/11/05
wonder how Sun does it  Boot_Agnostic | 10/10/05
Companies can use Open Solaris and forget licensing problems.  DonnieBoy | 10/10/05
Thank you  Boot_Agnostic | 10/10/05
STOP the FUD.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/10/05
Re: wonder how Sun does it  nightshade0143 | 10/10/05
Well, Sun and its partners care  Boot_Agnostic | 10/10/05
Who cares?  balsover | 10/10/05
Did You Guys Read the 2nd Page?  jjworleyeoe | 10/10/05
No...  ArtMac | 10/10/05
And what of running 64 virtual servers on a two-way system?  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
lol  java.user | 10/11/05
Logic  FirstNLastN | 10/10/05
MS is going to TRUST their customers?!?!  Judas I. | 10/10/05
I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw a Steinway, OB!  osreinstall | 10/10/05
Shucks, ya really hurt me, osreinstall.  Judas I. | 10/10/05
Nope, can't remember it, do you recall it, osreinstall?  Judas I. | 10/10/05
See if this works  osreinstall | 10/10/05
Last chance OB then it is a mystery  osreinstall | 10/10/05
Aha! Yes! It was that first one!  Judas I. | 10/11/05
It was the square rhside bracket  osreinstall | 10/11/05
Okay, lemme see here ...  Judas I. | 10/11/05
Got it! Cool! Guess what this number is:  Judas I. | 10/11/05
So we have the pleasure...  Anton Philidor | 10/11/05
Well, if you, ...  Judas I. | 10/11/05
This is your number OB!  osreinstall | 10/11/05
What's the big deal?  IT Scion | 10/10/05
Yeah, MS marketing DOES kinda remind you of ...  Judas I. | 10/10/05
I believe that is the Ganja dealer.  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
the grabbing hand, grabs all it can.  crabbywindowsguy | 10/10/05
Not true  java.user | 10/10/05
You must be talking about Red Hat and Novell.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/10/05
Ya mean THESE terms, Axey:  Judas I. | 10/10/05
Free copies.  Anton Philidor | 10/11/05
You're right on one point ... sorta.  Judas I. | 10/11/05
Risky  Anton Philidor | 10/11/05
Boy, are you right about a BUNCH of things here.  Judas I. | 10/11/05
Lions Share ...  preacherx | 10/10/05
VMs on Linux  Otto_Delete | 10/10/05
My Rep  jimlascola | 10/10/05
Well then...  ArtMac | 10/10/05
Ok, Question?  raymarc001 | 10/10/05
you don't run VMs on crap hw  cmello | 10/10/05
'Cept that you can run Windows on THE ...  Judas I. | 10/10/05
Anything to make Microsoft seem like the good guy  tomam | 10/10/05
Microsoft and "Virtual" Licensing  LeelandWebster@... | 10/10/05
VIRTUAL Server = REAL Software Costs  jonv | 10/10/05
COUNTERFEITERS  wirelessmyke@... | 10/10/05
Dell notebooks and OpenGL  The King's Servant | 10/11/05
New Virtual Licensing Policy  briancoppola@... | 10/10/05
Microsoft lowering prices?  An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/11/05
This is a report about licensing costs.  Anton Philidor | 10/11/05
Not entirely in best interests of M$ customers  IT Makes Sense | 10/11/05
Good observation!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 10/11/05
Re: still unclear: MCSEs & IT Head Hunters  matrixdomain | 10/11/05
You are blathering again!  osreinstall | 10/11/05
In fact that's increase of cost for MS OS  PhilippeV | 10/16/05
You have not understood the story  PhilippeV | 10/16/05
Licensing woes are almost as old as computing  wresnick | 11/01/05

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