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Correcting some java history.
Microsoft has kept java in the basic Windows install, and is removing its own obsolete version, with expected (and assisted) replacement by Sun's most recent version.

So the public has always had access to Java through Windows. The problem has been more with using java than with having it available.

You wrote:
Then the feud broke out between MSFT and Sun (part, a really an interesting technological philosophy debate, and part MSFT trying to maintain some control over their empire), and MSFT threw their hands up and walked away from Java.
Well, this was really a damning move to Java's evolution on the Consumer side as it required average user the extra complexity of installing the JRE in order to run applets or WebStart clients.

As recorded in Court cases, Microsoft improved on java, but the improvements were unique to Microsoft, violating the java philosophy. Microsoft also made intentionally erroneous statements to developers, misrepresenting how unique their version was.

In an out-of-Court settlement demanded by Sun, Microsoft was allowed to license only an obsolete version of java for a period of time. I'm not certain why Sun demanded having a less than optimal version of java in Windows, but whatever the strategy, it appears not to have worked.


You also wrote:
So, the point of today's partnership, is less about a toolbar and more about the possible likelihood of more and more average users being exposed to, and installing the Java JRE. Which, in theory, brings Java back as a possible option for Consumer products, and thus in more direct competition with MSFT?s desktop applications.

Microsoft has already promised to assist in the transition to more up-tpo-date java, as mentioned above.

And I'm not certain why Google, a search company would be well positioned to persuade people to install java even if the situation were different.


In these circumstances, I'm confused about the point you're trying to make.
Posted by: Anton Philidor   Posted on: 10/05/05 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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