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This iniative can't start soon enough  Jeff Spicoli | 09/23/05
But not even...  ye | 09/23/05
It really..  Jeff Spicoli | 09/23/05
Your opinion...  ye | 09/23/05
Message has been deleted.  5th Limb in the Kisser | 09/23/05
umm dude, who are you  Jeff Spicoli | 09/23/05
Microsoft bashing  xyz10_z | 09/23/05
thanks  Jeff Spicoli | 09/23/05
Bashing  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
Not bashing ...  __howard__ | 09/25/05
Noticed the same phenomenon  IT_User | 09/26/05
No surprise here  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 09/23/05
Nice rant  baggins_z | 09/23/05
Thanks...that's precisely the point  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 09/23/05
Yeah  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
Irony  native alien | 09/23/05
Yeah, MA has a great democracy  John Zern | 09/24/05
The point is, it will save them tons of money to have everything in the  DonnieBoy | 09/25/05
The Power of the State  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
No one finds this chilling?  quietLee | 09/23/05
Not quite sure I get you  voska | 09/23/05
Bingo!  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 09/23/05
RE: Bingo!  nightshade0143 | 09/23/05
Exactly. This decsion is not by MA...  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Governments designing software.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/23/05
Re: Governments designing software  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
US Governemnt software  Bill4 | 09/23/05
very well put  ~doolittle~ | 09/23/05
Bull, it's just "pay back" for loosing the anti-trust thing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/23/05
No  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/23/05
And again I ask, why is it ONLY MS products?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/23/05
Time out!  IT_User | 09/23/05
Cos ONLY MS refused to play...  bthomasmo@... | 09/23/05
Because it's only Microsoft  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/23/05
Bit Byte asks, and he is answered.  none none | 09/23/05
You crack me up  Patrick Jones | 09/23/05
Two points.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
Could be interesting...  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
And there ya go again.  Cardinal_Bill | 09/23/05
Don't underestimate self-righteousness.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
You mean like they gave the Bush/Republicans...  MacCanuck | 09/26/05
Agree somewhat  osreinstall | 09/23/05
No different than the rest of your  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/23/05
They are not suppose to do that either.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
They do it all the time.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
Wrong!  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Oh, I get it.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
You don't get anything  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Damn right  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
Cute rant and chant kidding  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Hey OS dude  GrindinAxTaRupert | 09/25/05
Here it is GrindinRuppy  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Yes, whenever the majority is peremptorily...  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Where did you read that?  IT_User | 09/23/05
They setup a system to eliminate diversity.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Your nightmare scenario  IT_User | 09/23/05
It didn't affect the people  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Not according to the article  IT_User | 09/23/05
So you only believe ZDNet to be truthful when it suits you.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Aren't we straying here?  IT_User | 09/23/05
Software is not the greatest thing to the Western World  osreinstall | 09/23/05
"Please save me the enslavement speech"  IT_User | 09/23/05
No problem  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Re: Software is not the greatest thing to the Western World  none none | 09/23/05
Biggest threat to the West is Socialism.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Sorry but the biggest threat  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/23/05
Yes socialism is very arrogant and ignorant.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Oh now STOP that, osreinstall. Socialism as a threat, C'mon!  Judas I. | 09/23/05
Socialists end sum is death  osreinstall | 09/23/05
'Member what I said in that other thread, osreinstall?  Judas I. | 09/23/05
Nope! Not even close.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
What nonsense.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
You need a new circlip on your input shaft, Tranny  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Stay on the subject now, osreinstall  Judas I. | 09/24/05
Tranny sounds like he's running just fine to my ear, osreinstall  Judas I. | 09/24/05
Nice try OB  osreinstall | 09/24/05
It wasn't a "try," osreinstall.  Judas I. | 09/24/05
Well if you need a simple answer  osreinstall | 09/24/05
"Corrupted version?" NOW you're being just as ...  Judas I. | 09/25/05
Mikey Moore logic  osreinstall | 09/25/05
What color is the sky  Rick_K | 09/25/05
Blue after the hurricane passed us by.  osreinstall | 09/25/05
C'mon OS dude, you're making a fool of yourself  GrindinAxTaRupert | 09/25/05
Wrong GrinderRuppy  osreinstall | 09/25/05
What's the problem here?  IT_User | 09/25/05
Open source is a special interest group.  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Re: Open Source is a special interest group  Root User | 09/25/05
The situation wouldn't even go there.  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Re: The situation wouldn't even go there.  Root User | 09/25/05
Guys!  IT_User | 09/25/05
osreinstall, what's the consequence?  IT_User | 09/25/05
Root User not quite  osreinstall | 09/25/05
osreinstall, RTA  IT_User | 09/25/05
That is correct IT_User  osreinstall | 09/25/05
I did RTA IT_User  osreinstall | 09/25/05
osreinstall, provocative post  IT_User | 09/25/05
Re: Root User not quite  Root User | 09/25/05
IT_User I can provoke at times.  osreinstall | 09/25/05
No, no, reinstall!  IT_User | 09/25/05
Yes you wouldn't see favoritism Root User  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Yes Yes IT_User  osreinstall | 09/25/05
A very sensible and necessary restriction  IT_User | 09/25/05
I agree with competentcy  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Pushing the concept to an extreme  IT_User | 09/25/05
The choice was an extreme  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Holly Hanna! This thread is way outta control!  Judas I. | 09/26/05
No problem OB  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Who says their designing for constituents?  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
Proprietory formats will not support it.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
OpenDocument is open  IT_User | 09/23/05
Those standards are open source's baby  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Maybe a circular definition  IT_User | 09/23/05
Proprietory software can support it  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
Standards are a measurement or quality comparitive  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Is Fellini in charge here?  IT_User | 09/23/05
System performance  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Can't get the blueprints?  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/23/05
Those parts were measured  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Nothing is stopping proprietary apps from opening Open Documents.  Zogg | 09/23/05
Re: Biggest threat to the West is Socialism.  none none | 09/23/05
Re: Nothing is stopping proprietary apps from opening Open Documents.  none none | 09/23/05
2 replies  osreinstall | 09/23/05
So why...  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
I don't think the rest of the voters needed Oracle either.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Re: 2 replies  none none | 09/23/05
I sleep just fine  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Re: 2 replies  Zogg | 09/24/05
Misleading reply on your part.  osreinstall | 09/24/05
It wasn't a "try," osreinstall.  Judas I. | 09/24/05
Oops, wrong thread, sorry folks.  Judas I. | 09/24/05
Too many tabs open  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Nothing misleading about my reply at all.  Zogg | 09/24/05
To answer some others  Mark Miller | 09/24/05
Very easy ZOG  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Finally an honest answer from Mark  osreinstall | 09/24/05
"There's none so deaf as those who will not hear."  Zogg | 09/25/05
Re: Finally an honest answer from Mark  none none | 09/25/05
Zog you are wrong as usual  osreinstall | 09/25/05
You are not too honest Mark  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Re: You are not too honest Mark  none none | 09/25/05
No I don't want to smoke what you have in mind.  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Re: No I don't want to smoke what you have in mind.  none none | 09/25/05
What's the matter competition tough?  osreinstall | 09/25/05
osreinstall, what;'s the consequence?  IT_User | 09/25/05
You already asked this question IT_User  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Yep, bad alignment  IT_User | 09/25/05
Irrelevant  xyz10_z | 09/24/05
Not So.  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Re: Not So.  none none | 09/25/05
You would get the module from MS  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Governement designed Open Doc?  ibabadur1 | 09/23/05
You're right; Monti does not work for MA.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Unreasonable demands  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
Governments are required to spend our money wisely.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
It seems to be working in Europe...  ju1ce | 09/23/05
Yes, when no one buys XP Null...  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Encumbered source and wise do not belong in same sentence.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/23/05
And they're not  IT_User | 09/23/05
Don  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/23/05
Don't worry  Sabz5150 | 09/23/05
No, PATENT ENCUMBERED and wise do not belong together  Sabz5150 | 09/23/05
So you agree?  Rick_K | 09/26/05
Y'all will haveta excuse Axey.  Judas I. | 09/23/05
they are upset because...  ~doolittle~ | 09/23/05
Good point.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Like other standards  xyz10_z | 09/24/05
I'll bring up an even BETTER point:  Judas I. | 09/24/05
You are locked in if you are not a problem solver.  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Oooo, poor, poor, Microsoft.  Judas I. | 09/24/05
Yes I will begrudge them  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Oh so NOW you want to subject SOFTWARE use ...  Judas I. | 09/25/05
Sorry OB. Software was not in the constitution  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Right, software ain't in the constitution ...  Judas I. | 09/26/05
I didn't put it up for vote for an amendment. They could poll.  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Poor (MS) OS Reinstall  Rick_K | 09/26/05
More like this Ricky  osreinstall | 09/26/05
osreinstall, if that is right, the majority rules on ALL ...  Judas I. | 09/26/05
The thing is MS never asked for the gov't help  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Competing on the merits  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
So the jockey would never get credit, ...  Judas I. | 09/25/05
Clarity  Anton Philidor | 09/25/05
Re: Clarity  none none | 09/25/05
I think the problem you are having understanding ...  Judas I. | 09/26/05
Are you really that dense?  Rick_K | 09/26/05
The data was never held hostage.  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Now yer gittin' it, osreinstall:  Judas I. | 09/26/05
The bidding process is the only way.  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Re: The bidding process is the only way.  Root User | 09/26/05
Because it isn't fair for all  osreinstall | 09/27/05
Re: Because it isn't fair at all  Root User | 09/27/05
How ironic. A monoculture in open source.  osreinstall | 09/27/05
You are absolutely right about Darwin  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Boy, do I know all about "outside help!"  Judas I. | 09/24/05
I am sure the opendoc spec had a little graft in it.  osreinstall | 09/24/05
So, as long as the knife cuts only Microsoft's way, ...  Judas I. | 09/24/05
It should cut the neutral way  osreinstall | 09/24/05
But we're talkin' the REAL WORLD here, osreinstall.  Judas I. | 09/25/05
So you will make Mass the monopoly to make it fair.  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Boy, if Massachusetts did this to protect some from competition.  DonnieBoy | 09/25/05
Not quite Donnieboy  osreinstall | 09/25/05
osreinstall, read my response to Anton, above.  Judas I. | 09/26/05
So you gave the open source horses a head start.  osreinstall | 09/26/05
The MS horses ALREADY have the head start, osreinstall.  Judas I. | 09/26/05
I think Mass tied a rope around MS's tail.  osreinstall | 09/26/05
You're right...  ju1ce | 09/26/05
New here sailor?  IT_User | 09/23/05
You're right, of course  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
One State contract is insignificant, yes.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
arbitrary, even damaging exercize of governmen  IT_User | 09/25/05
Question, Don  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
Try this on for size  Patrick Jones | 09/23/05
Who's talking about IP  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
Read the article's last paragraph  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 09/23/05
Apparently you don't know what was said?  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
MS needs to up the "campaign contributions" in MA.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/23/05
Re: MS needs to up the "campaign contributions" in MA.  none none | 09/23/05
Congratulations: a new Low.  Zogg | 09/23/05
Is that how they do business?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
But the rest of the article doesn't support it  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
I find the behavior of the IP crowd far more chilling...  Root User | 09/23/05
Attaboy!  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
it is as if MA is obligated to MS for some reason  ~doolittle~ | 09/23/05
This is about letting a contract...  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Re: This is about letting a contract...  Root User | 09/24/05
Totalitarian state  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Re: Property Rights  Root User | 09/25/05
Untangling the discussion.  Anton Philidor | 09/25/05
Re: Untangling the discussion.  Root User | 09/25/05
Picking the good guys.  Anton Philidor | 09/25/05
Also...  Root User | 09/25/05
Re: Picking the good guys.  Root User | 09/25/05
Whiz-Bang stuff  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
What about federal mandates and 14th Amendment?  Mark Miller | 09/24/05
Re: What about federal mandates and the 14th amendment  Root User | 09/24/05
Re: Re: What about federal mandates and the 14th amendment  none none | 09/25/05
NOT EVEN VAGUELY  IT_User | 09/23/05
Closing Boston office...  Mike Cox | 09/23/05
Attaboy....9.5!  bugmenotznet | 09/23/05
you shoudl have went to MA commonwealth  ~doolittle~ | 09/23/05
News Flash: Ted Kennedy Runs Over Mike Cox's Rep  itanalyst | 09/23/05
Hey Mike...  olePigeon | 09/23/05
Umm, new here, much?  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
In Mike's honor...  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Hook, line, sinker. (nt)  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
Looks like simply have to learn the hard way.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/23/05
fools always learn the hard way. So  michael_t | 09/23/05
And should this succeed...  Sabz5150 | 09/23/05
true.....  JoeMama_z | 09/23/05
Wasn't their choice  Sabz5150 | 09/23/05
And if their software were cheap enough NT  Mark Miller | 09/24/05
How are they going to learn the hard way?  ju1ce | 09/23/05
Looks like MS will have to learn the hard way.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
Who's the "they" in your post?  IT_User | 09/23/05
the poor consumers of Massachusetts  5th Limb in the Kisser | 09/23/05
I like that. The HARD way  5th Limb in the Kisser | 09/23/05
Are you saying that the customer is not always right?  B.O.F.H. | 09/23/05
"No solution at all"?  CobraA1 | 09/24/05
It's about 'Who owns documents'  cuboctahedron2004 | 09/23/05
As usual the right answers get no responses wink  Feldon | 09/24/05
They have already done it indirectly  DarthRidiculous | 09/25/05
Open Standard?  davcrock@... | 09/23/05
There will also be costs to retrain for Office 12 and Vista.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
It's shortform is called "PDF" (NT)  ju1ce | 09/23/05
This was all addressed at the meeting. Download the MP3.  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
i am curious  eLurker | 09/23/05
Remember the limitation therein...  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
State currencies didn't go away...  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
I didn't say immediately, did I, Anton?  John Le'Brecage | 09/25/05
Not your accuracy but my implication.  Anton Philidor | 09/26/05
Your opinion is not supported by facts  Fred Fredrickson | 09/24/05
Agree  Mark Miller | 09/24/05
What the customer wants.......  thelemite | 09/23/05
The start of the end of proprietary file formats, APIs, protocols.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
Wow, what a bunch of B.S.  JoeMama_z | 09/23/05
No BS, MS just needs to open their format, or save in OpenDocument format.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
Um..  Patrick Jones | 09/23/05
Yeah, right! Right on, joemama!  Judas I. | 09/23/05
BAM!!  5th Limb in the Kisser | 09/23/05
You still ranting about Dubya  osreinstall | 09/23/05
That wouldn't be..  Jeff Spicoli | 09/23/05
Or the river Hister  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Religion?  voska | 09/26/05
Convenient Christianity.  osreinstall | 09/26/05
I'll quit talking about him ...  Judas I. | 09/24/05
Nothing like to extremists dragging their people into it.  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Dang, could only find one thing wrong with yer post, osreinstall;  Judas I. | 09/26/05
Don't want to see you in the news OB  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Good point, osreinstall.  Judas I. | 09/26/05
Don't worry about me  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Microsoft fails the tests. Adobe did not.  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
Distinction without a difference.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Straining at gnats  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
You're arguing a different point.  Anton Philidor | 09/25/05
You wish to change the subject, Anton? So be it.  John Le'Brecage | 09/26/05
So a standards committee is "peer review"?  Anton Philidor | 09/26/05
Interesting semantic Anton...  John Le'Brecage | 09/26/05
Well said  Rick_K | 09/26/05
No-one's fault except Microsoft's.  John Le'Brecage | 09/26/05
Whom to blame?  Anton Philidor | 09/26/05
I disagree  IT_User | 09/26/05
Microsoft or the Committee?  John Le'Brecage | 09/26/05
Microsoft or the Committee? (Sorry, bad markup in previous)  John Le'Brecage | 09/26/05
not true  CobraA1 | 09/24/05
Corporations should do it too  Nigel Johnstone | 09/23/05
how would a patent  JoeMama_z | 09/23/05
If the format of the word doc is patented  Zinoron | 09/23/05
Exactly.. Avoid it by not being a part of it..  ju1ce | 09/23/05
Wow, closing a office... isn't that extreme !  redtrain65 | 09/23/05
You're New Here, Aren't You?  Whyaylooh | 09/23/05
C-Net doesn't want you to hear the truth...  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
newsforge had what I thought was the best write-up on this matter.  Arm A. Geddon | 09/23/05
Thanks Arm...  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
your welcome!!  Arm A. Geddon | 09/23/05
oops  Arm A. Geddon | 09/23/05
One point I haven't seen discussed yet.  Letophoro | 09/23/05
yup  5th Limb in the Kisser | 09/23/05
I was thinking it might impede adoption of Vista.  Zogg | 09/23/05
relax  hipparchus2000 | 09/23/05
Right, but as Microsoft knows, filters are not perfect.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
MS know filters are perfect, you, troll, once again  John Zern | 09/24/05
So, if filters are PERFECT, why is MS whining??  DonnieBoy | 09/25/05
I am relaxed  Letophoro | 09/23/05
a start to saving more taxpayer dollars  ~doolittle~ | 09/23/05
South Korea expects to save $300M a year..  glocks out | 09/23/05
MS Apologists  glocks out | 09/23/05
Just curious??  Confused by religion | 09/23/05
Milly, you need to broaden your horizons.  Zogg | 09/23/05
M$ will lobby until they crush MA  Jeff Spicoli | 09/23/05
avoid the questions?  glocks out | 09/26/05
Not even close  osreinstall | 09/26/05
you don't understand  glocks out | 09/27/05
Oh, I understand this quite well.  osreinstall | 09/27/05
Why is it news when people use COMMON SENSE to  michael_t | 09/23/05
Doesn't word pad read Office Doc?  John Zern | 09/24/05
Which version MacOS or Linux etc does WordPad run on?  Zogg | 09/25/05
what about other file types?  glocks out | 09/26/05
Great for Adobes big fat wallet...Acrobat licenses  jimk_z | 09/23/05
try solidcoverter pdf $29.99  hipparchus2000 | 09/23/05
Or better yet...  Anton Philidor | 09/25/05
But...  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
That is a good reason they should also adopt OpenOffice.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
The point is, ANYBODY can read and write PDF.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
Badly premised post, JimK  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
you overlook something  glocks out | 09/26/05
Please check your facts  Rick_K | 09/26/05
Gee no changes here...  Linux User 147560 | 09/24/05
Welcome back Komrade!  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Changes?  John Le'Brecage | 09/24/05
Wondered where you'd betaken yourself.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
New Zealand  Linux User 147560 | 09/24/05
Must be like a small town...  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Very unbalanced report  Fred Fredrickson | 09/24/05
The state has decided what fits its needs  CobraA1 | 09/24/05
Something about this stinks  Mark Miller | 09/24/05
They ignored Software features because they're beside the point  Feldon | 09/24/05
Interesting point.  Anton Philidor | 09/25/05
the format is what's really at stake here  glocks out | 09/26/05
Not True  John Zern | 09/24/05
The Mass government didn't assert their power randomly  Feldon | 09/24/05
One thing everyone missed  osreinstall | 09/24/05
They're already vendor independent  IT_User | 09/25/05
For the record I checked  IT_User | 09/25/05
You will need more than one format anyway  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Ways and means  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
irrelevant  glocks out | 09/26/05
OButterballs misses osreinstal's point  John Zern | 09/24/05
Options and limitations  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
You are leaving out something  osreinstall | 09/26/05
This "urban legend" stuff is getting out of hand  IT_User | 09/26/05
Not really IT_User  osreinstall | 09/26/05
that's entirely incorrect  glocks out | 09/26/05
Not at all  osreinstall | 09/26/05
See, that's what I meant  IT_User | 09/26/05
You twisted my reason a little  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Keep drinking that kool-aid  Rick_K | 09/26/05
Ricky you are a liar  osreinstall | 09/27/05
More F.U.D. From OS Reinstall  Rick_K | 09/26/05
More lying from openFUD inc.  osreinstall | 09/27/05
please provide sources  glocks out | 09/27/05
Don't have to. It's common sense.  osreinstall | 09/27/05
50,000 desktops x $300/desk = $15,000,000  George Jay | 09/25/05
Could cost more than $15M  __howard__ | 09/25/05
The actual number was/is  Rick_K | 09/26/05
I listened to the MA state meeting  Mark Miller | 09/25/05
Interesting read.  __howard__ | 09/25/05
Archiving media is a serious issue  Mark Miller | 09/26/05
Tape has relatively short shelf life  __howard__ | 10/02/05
Slight correction  j.m.galvin | 09/26/05
It looks like it depends on where you look  Mark Miller | 09/26/05
Revised suggestions  Mark Miller | 09/26/05
Something Mass and you could have done long ago  Boot_Agnostic | 09/26/05
Government Required Formats  WhoDaMan | 09/26/05
In 5 years they'll switch  marksashton | 09/26/05
please extrapolate  glocks out | 09/26/05
Ain't a thing wrong with it  Boot_Agnostic | 09/28/05

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