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No different than the rest of your
government local, state and federal. They make decisions all the time that do not jive with what the masses want. How is this any different?
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This iniative can't start soon enough  Jeff Spicoli | 09/23/05
But not even...  ye | 09/23/05
It really..  Jeff Spicoli | 09/23/05
Your opinion...  ye | 09/23/05
Message has been deleted.  5th Limb in the Kisser | 09/23/05
umm dude, who are you  Jeff Spicoli | 09/23/05
Microsoft bashing  xyz10_z | 09/23/05
thanks  Jeff Spicoli | 09/23/05
Bashing  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
Not bashing ...  __howard__ | 09/25/05
Noticed the same phenomenon  IT_User | 09/26/05
No surprise here  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 09/23/05
Nice rant  baggins_z | 09/23/05
Thanks...that's precisely the point  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 09/23/05
Yeah  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
Irony  native alien | 09/23/05
Yeah, MA has a great democracy  John Zern | 09/24/05
The point is, it will save them tons of money to have everything in the  DonnieBoy | 09/25/05
The Power of the State  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
No one finds this chilling?  quietLee | 09/23/05
Not quite sure I get you  voska | 09/23/05
Bingo!  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 09/23/05
RE: Bingo!  nightshade0143 | 09/23/05
Exactly. This decsion is not by MA...  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Governments designing software.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/23/05
Re: Governments designing software  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
US Governemnt software  Bill4 | 09/23/05
very well put  ~doolittle~ | 09/23/05
Bull, it's just "pay back" for loosing the anti-trust thing.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/23/05
No  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/23/05
And again I ask, why is it ONLY MS products?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/23/05
Time out!  IT_User | 09/23/05
Cos ONLY MS refused to play...  bthomasmo@... | 09/23/05
Because it's only Microsoft  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/23/05
Bit Byte asks, and he is answered.  none none | 09/23/05
You crack me up  Patrick Jones | 09/23/05
Two points.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
Could be interesting...  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
And there ya go again.  Cardinal_Bill | 09/23/05
Don't underestimate self-righteousness.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
You mean like they gave the Bush/Republicans...  MacCanuck | 09/26/05
Agree somewhat  osreinstall | 09/23/05
No different than the rest of your  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/23/05
They are not suppose to do that either.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
They do it all the time.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
Wrong!  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Oh, I get it.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
You don't get anything  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Damn right  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
Cute rant and chant kidding  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Hey OS dude  GrindinAxTaRupert | 09/25/05
Here it is GrindinRuppy  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Yes, whenever the majority is peremptorily...  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Where did you read that?  IT_User | 09/23/05
They setup a system to eliminate diversity.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Your nightmare scenario  IT_User | 09/23/05
It didn't affect the people  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Not according to the article  IT_User | 09/23/05
So you only believe ZDNet to be truthful when it suits you.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Aren't we straying here?  IT_User | 09/23/05
Software is not the greatest thing to the Western World  osreinstall | 09/23/05
"Please save me the enslavement speech"  IT_User | 09/23/05
No problem  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Re: Software is not the greatest thing to the Western World  none none | 09/23/05
Biggest threat to the West is Socialism.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Sorry but the biggest threat  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/23/05
Yes socialism is very arrogant and ignorant.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Oh now STOP that, osreinstall. Socialism as a threat, C'mon!  Judas I. | 09/23/05
Socialists end sum is death  osreinstall | 09/23/05
'Member what I said in that other thread, osreinstall?  Judas I. | 09/23/05
Nope! Not even close.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
What nonsense.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
You need a new circlip on your input shaft, Tranny  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Stay on the subject now, osreinstall  Judas I. | 09/24/05
Tranny sounds like he's running just fine to my ear, osreinstall  Judas I. | 09/24/05
Nice try OB  osreinstall | 09/24/05
It wasn't a "try," osreinstall.  Judas I. | 09/24/05
Well if you need a simple answer  osreinstall | 09/24/05
"Corrupted version?" NOW you're being just as ...  Judas I. | 09/25/05
Mikey Moore logic  osreinstall | 09/25/05
What color is the sky  Rick_K | 09/25/05
Blue after the hurricane passed us by.  osreinstall | 09/25/05
C'mon OS dude, you're making a fool of yourself  GrindinAxTaRupert | 09/25/05
Wrong GrinderRuppy  osreinstall | 09/25/05
What's the problem here?  IT_User | 09/25/05
Open source is a special interest group.  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Re: Open Source is a special interest group  Root User | 09/25/05
The situation wouldn't even go there.  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Re: The situation wouldn't even go there.  Root User | 09/25/05
Guys!  IT_User | 09/25/05
osreinstall, what's the consequence?  IT_User | 09/25/05
Root User not quite  osreinstall | 09/25/05
osreinstall, RTA  IT_User | 09/25/05
That is correct IT_User  osreinstall | 09/25/05
I did RTA IT_User  osreinstall | 09/25/05
osreinstall, provocative post  IT_User | 09/25/05
Re: Root User not quite  Root User | 09/25/05
IT_User I can provoke at times.  osreinstall | 09/25/05
No, no, reinstall!  IT_User | 09/25/05
Yes you wouldn't see favoritism Root User  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Yes Yes IT_User  osreinstall | 09/25/05
A very sensible and necessary restriction  IT_User | 09/25/05
I agree with competentcy  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Pushing the concept to an extreme  IT_User | 09/25/05
The choice was an extreme  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Holly Hanna! This thread is way outta control!  Judas I. | 09/26/05
No problem OB  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Who says their designing for constituents?  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
Proprietory formats will not support it.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
OpenDocument is open  IT_User | 09/23/05
Those standards are open source's baby  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Maybe a circular definition  IT_User | 09/23/05
Proprietory software can support it  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
Standards are a measurement or quality comparitive  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Is Fellini in charge here?  IT_User | 09/23/05
System performance  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Can't get the blueprints?  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/23/05
Those parts were measured  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Nothing is stopping proprietary apps from opening Open Documents.  Zogg | 09/23/05
Re: Biggest threat to the West is Socialism.  none none | 09/23/05
Re: Nothing is stopping proprietary apps from opening Open Documents.  none none | 09/23/05
2 replies  osreinstall | 09/23/05
So why...  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
I don't think the rest of the voters needed Oracle either.  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Re: 2 replies  none none | 09/23/05
I sleep just fine  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Re: 2 replies  Zogg | 09/24/05
Misleading reply on your part.  osreinstall | 09/24/05
It wasn't a "try," osreinstall.  Judas I. | 09/24/05
Oops, wrong thread, sorry folks.  Judas I. | 09/24/05
Too many tabs open  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Nothing misleading about my reply at all.  Zogg | 09/24/05
To answer some others  Mark Miller | 09/24/05
Very easy ZOG  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Finally an honest answer from Mark  osreinstall | 09/24/05
"There's none so deaf as those who will not hear."  Zogg | 09/25/05
Re: Finally an honest answer from Mark  none none | 09/25/05
Zog you are wrong as usual  osreinstall | 09/25/05
You are not too honest Mark  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Re: You are not too honest Mark  none none | 09/25/05
No I don't want to smoke what you have in mind.  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Re: No I don't want to smoke what you have in mind.  none none | 09/25/05
What's the matter competition tough?  osreinstall | 09/25/05
osreinstall, what;'s the consequence?  IT_User | 09/25/05
You already asked this question IT_User  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Yep, bad alignment  IT_User | 09/25/05
Irrelevant  xyz10_z | 09/24/05
Not So.  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Re: Not So.  none none | 09/25/05
You would get the module from MS  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Governement designed Open Doc?  ibabadur1 | 09/23/05
You're right; Monti does not work for MA.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Unreasonable demands  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
Governments are required to spend our money wisely.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
It seems to be working in Europe...  ju1ce | 09/23/05
Yes, when no one buys XP Null...  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Encumbered source and wise do not belong in same sentence.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/23/05
And they're not  IT_User | 09/23/05
Don  Linux Guy 1000 | 09/23/05
Don't worry  Sabz5150 | 09/23/05
No, PATENT ENCUMBERED and wise do not belong together  Sabz5150 | 09/23/05
So you agree?  Rick_K | 09/26/05
Y'all will haveta excuse Axey.  Judas I. | 09/23/05
they are upset because...  ~doolittle~ | 09/23/05
Good point.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Like other standards  xyz10_z | 09/24/05
I'll bring up an even BETTER point:  Judas I. | 09/24/05
You are locked in if you are not a problem solver.  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Oooo, poor, poor, Microsoft.  Judas I. | 09/24/05
Yes I will begrudge them  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Oh so NOW you want to subject SOFTWARE use ...  Judas I. | 09/25/05
Sorry OB. Software was not in the constitution  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Right, software ain't in the constitution ...  Judas I. | 09/26/05
I didn't put it up for vote for an amendment. They could poll.  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Poor (MS) OS Reinstall  Rick_K | 09/26/05
More like this Ricky  osreinstall | 09/26/05
osreinstall, if that is right, the majority rules on ALL ...  Judas I. | 09/26/05
The thing is MS never asked for the gov't help  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Competing on the merits  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
So the jockey would never get credit, ...  Judas I. | 09/25/05
Clarity  Anton Philidor | 09/25/05
Re: Clarity  none none | 09/25/05
I think the problem you are having understanding ...  Judas I. | 09/26/05
Are you really that dense?  Rick_K | 09/26/05
The data was never held hostage.  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Now yer gittin' it, osreinstall:  Judas I. | 09/26/05
The bidding process is the only way.  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Re: The bidding process is the only way.  Root User | 09/26/05
Because it isn't fair for all  osreinstall | 09/27/05
Re: Because it isn't fair at all  Root User | 09/27/05
How ironic. A monoculture in open source.  osreinstall | 09/27/05
You are absolutely right about Darwin  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Boy, do I know all about "outside help!"  Judas I. | 09/24/05
I am sure the opendoc spec had a little graft in it.  osreinstall | 09/24/05
So, as long as the knife cuts only Microsoft's way, ...  Judas I. | 09/24/05
It should cut the neutral way  osreinstall | 09/24/05
But we're talkin' the REAL WORLD here, osreinstall.  Judas I. | 09/25/05
So you will make Mass the monopoly to make it fair.  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Boy, if Massachusetts did this to protect some from competition.  DonnieBoy | 09/25/05
Not quite Donnieboy  osreinstall | 09/25/05
osreinstall, read my response to Anton, above.  Judas I. | 09/26/05
So you gave the open source horses a head start.  osreinstall | 09/26/05
The MS horses ALREADY have the head start, osreinstall.  Judas I. | 09/26/05
I think Mass tied a rope around MS's tail.  osreinstall | 09/26/05
You're right...  ju1ce | 09/26/05
New here sailor?  IT_User | 09/23/05
You're right, of course  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
One State contract is insignificant, yes.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
arbitrary, even damaging exercize of governmen  IT_User | 09/25/05
Question, Don  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
Try this on for size  Patrick Jones | 09/23/05
Who's talking about IP  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
Read the article's last paragraph  slingzenarrowzuvowtrayjissforchin | 09/23/05
Apparently you don't know what was said?  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
MS needs to up the "campaign contributions" in MA.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/23/05
Re: MS needs to up the "campaign contributions" in MA.  none none | 09/23/05
Congratulations: a new Low.  Zogg | 09/23/05
Is that how they do business?  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
But the rest of the article doesn't support it  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
I find the behavior of the IP crowd far more chilling...  Root User | 09/23/05
Attaboy!  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
it is as if MA is obligated to MS for some reason  ~doolittle~ | 09/23/05
This is about letting a contract...  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Re: This is about letting a contract...  Root User | 09/24/05
Totalitarian state  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Re: Property Rights  Root User | 09/25/05
Untangling the discussion.  Anton Philidor | 09/25/05
Re: Untangling the discussion.  Root User | 09/25/05
Picking the good guys.  Anton Philidor | 09/25/05
Also...  Root User | 09/25/05
Re: Picking the good guys.  Root User | 09/25/05
Whiz-Bang stuff  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
What about federal mandates and 14th Amendment?  Mark Miller | 09/24/05
Re: What about federal mandates and the 14th amendment  Root User | 09/24/05
Re: Re: What about federal mandates and the 14th amendment  none none | 09/25/05
NOT EVEN VAGUELY  IT_User | 09/23/05
Closing Boston office...  Mike Cox | 09/23/05
Attaboy....9.5!  bugmenotznet | 09/23/05
you shoudl have went to MA commonwealth  ~doolittle~ | 09/23/05
News Flash: Ted Kennedy Runs Over Mike Cox's Rep  itanalyst | 09/23/05
Hey Mike...  olePigeon | 09/23/05
Umm, new here, much?  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
In Mike's honor...  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Hook, line, sinker. (nt)  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 09/24/05
Looks like simply have to learn the hard way.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/23/05
fools always learn the hard way. So  michael_t | 09/23/05
And should this succeed...  Sabz5150 | 09/23/05
true.....  JoeMama_z | 09/23/05
Wasn't their choice  Sabz5150 | 09/23/05
And if their software were cheap enough NT  Mark Miller | 09/24/05
How are they going to learn the hard way?  ju1ce | 09/23/05
Looks like MS will have to learn the hard way.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
Who's the "they" in your post?  IT_User | 09/23/05
the poor consumers of Massachusetts  5th Limb in the Kisser | 09/23/05
I like that. The HARD way  5th Limb in the Kisser | 09/23/05
Are you saying that the customer is not always right?  B.O.F.H. | 09/23/05
"No solution at all"?  CobraA1 | 09/24/05
It's about 'Who owns documents'  cuboctahedron2004 | 09/23/05
As usual the right answers get no responses wink  Feldon | 09/24/05
They have already done it indirectly  DarthRidiculous | 09/25/05
Open Standard?  davcrock@... | 09/23/05
There will also be costs to retrain for Office 12 and Vista.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
It's shortform is called "PDF" (NT)  ju1ce | 09/23/05
This was all addressed at the meeting. Download the MP3.  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
i am curious  eLurker | 09/23/05
Remember the limitation therein...  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
State currencies didn't go away...  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
I didn't say immediately, did I, Anton?  John Le'Brecage | 09/25/05
Not your accuracy but my implication.  Anton Philidor | 09/26/05
Your opinion is not supported by facts  Fred Fredrickson | 09/24/05
Agree  Mark Miller | 09/24/05
What the customer wants.......  thelemite | 09/23/05
The start of the end of proprietary file formats, APIs, protocols.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
Wow, what a bunch of B.S.  JoeMama_z | 09/23/05
No BS, MS just needs to open their format, or save in OpenDocument format.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
Um..  Patrick Jones | 09/23/05
Yeah, right! Right on, joemama!  Judas I. | 09/23/05
BAM!!  5th Limb in the Kisser | 09/23/05
You still ranting about Dubya  osreinstall | 09/23/05
That wouldn't be..  Jeff Spicoli | 09/23/05
Or the river Hister  osreinstall | 09/23/05
Religion?  voska | 09/26/05
Convenient Christianity.  osreinstall | 09/26/05
I'll quit talking about him ...  Judas I. | 09/24/05
Nothing like to extremists dragging their people into it.  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Dang, could only find one thing wrong with yer post, osreinstall;  Judas I. | 09/26/05
Don't want to see you in the news OB  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Good point, osreinstall.  Judas I. | 09/26/05
Don't worry about me  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Microsoft fails the tests. Adobe did not.  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
Distinction without a difference.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Straining at gnats  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
You're arguing a different point.  Anton Philidor | 09/25/05
You wish to change the subject, Anton? So be it.  John Le'Brecage | 09/26/05
So a standards committee is "peer review"?  Anton Philidor | 09/26/05
Interesting semantic Anton...  John Le'Brecage | 09/26/05
Well said  Rick_K | 09/26/05
No-one's fault except Microsoft's.  John Le'Brecage | 09/26/05
Whom to blame?  Anton Philidor | 09/26/05
I disagree  IT_User | 09/26/05
Microsoft or the Committee?  John Le'Brecage | 09/26/05
Microsoft or the Committee? (Sorry, bad markup in previous)  John Le'Brecage | 09/26/05
not true  CobraA1 | 09/24/05
Corporations should do it too  Nigel Johnstone | 09/23/05
how would a patent  JoeMama_z | 09/23/05
If the format of the word doc is patented  Zinoron | 09/23/05
Exactly.. Avoid it by not being a part of it..  ju1ce | 09/23/05
Wow, closing a office... isn't that extreme !  redtrain65 | 09/23/05
You're New Here, Aren't You?  Whyaylooh | 09/23/05
C-Net doesn't want you to hear the truth...  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
newsforge had what I thought was the best write-up on this matter.  Arm A. Geddon | 09/23/05
Thanks Arm...  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
your welcome!!  Arm A. Geddon | 09/23/05
oops  Arm A. Geddon | 09/23/05
One point I haven't seen discussed yet.  Letophoro | 09/23/05
yup  5th Limb in the Kisser | 09/23/05
I was thinking it might impede adoption of Vista.  Zogg | 09/23/05
relax  hipparchus2000 | 09/23/05
Right, but as Microsoft knows, filters are not perfect.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
MS know filters are perfect, you, troll, once again  John Zern | 09/24/05
So, if filters are PERFECT, why is MS whining??  DonnieBoy | 09/25/05
I am relaxed  Letophoro | 09/23/05
a start to saving more taxpayer dollars  ~doolittle~ | 09/23/05
South Korea expects to save $300M a year..  glocks out | 09/23/05
MS Apologists  glocks out | 09/23/05
Just curious??  Confused by religion | 09/23/05
Milly, you need to broaden your horizons.  Zogg | 09/23/05
M$ will lobby until they crush MA  Jeff Spicoli | 09/23/05
avoid the questions?  glocks out | 09/26/05
Not even close  osreinstall | 09/26/05
you don't understand  glocks out | 09/27/05
Oh, I understand this quite well.  osreinstall | 09/27/05
Why is it news when people use COMMON SENSE to  michael_t | 09/23/05
Doesn't word pad read Office Doc?  John Zern | 09/24/05
Which version MacOS or Linux etc does WordPad run on?  Zogg | 09/25/05
what about other file types?  glocks out | 09/26/05
Great for Adobes big fat wallet...Acrobat licenses  jimk_z | 09/23/05
try solidcoverter pdf $29.99  hipparchus2000 | 09/23/05
Or better yet...  Anton Philidor | 09/25/05
But...  John L. Ries | 09/23/05
That is a good reason they should also adopt OpenOffice.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
The point is, ANYBODY can read and write PDF.  DonnieBoy | 09/23/05
Badly premised post, JimK  John Le'Brecage | 09/23/05
you overlook something  glocks out | 09/26/05
Please check your facts  Rick_K | 09/26/05
Gee no changes here...  Linux User 147560 | 09/24/05
Welcome back Komrade!  osreinstall | 09/24/05
Changes?  John Le'Brecage | 09/24/05
Wondered where you'd betaken yourself.  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
New Zealand  Linux User 147560 | 09/24/05
Must be like a small town...  Anton Philidor | 09/24/05
Very unbalanced report  Fred Fredrickson | 09/24/05
The state has decided what fits its needs  CobraA1 | 09/24/05
Something about this stinks  Mark Miller | 09/24/05
They ignored Software features because they're beside the point  Feldon | 09/24/05
Interesting point.  Anton Philidor | 09/25/05
the format is what's really at stake here  glocks out | 09/26/05
Not True  John Zern | 09/24/05
The Mass government didn't assert their power randomly  Feldon | 09/24/05
One thing everyone missed  osreinstall | 09/24/05
They're already vendor independent  IT_User | 09/25/05
For the record I checked  IT_User | 09/25/05
You will need more than one format anyway  osreinstall | 09/25/05
Ways and means  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
irrelevant  glocks out | 09/26/05
OButterballs misses osreinstal's point  John Zern | 09/24/05
Options and limitations  Yagotta B. Kidding | 09/25/05
You are leaving out something  osreinstall | 09/26/05
This "urban legend" stuff is getting out of hand  IT_User | 09/26/05
Not really IT_User  osreinstall | 09/26/05
that's entirely incorrect  glocks out | 09/26/05
Not at all  osreinstall | 09/26/05
See, that's what I meant  IT_User | 09/26/05
You twisted my reason a little  osreinstall | 09/26/05
Keep drinking that kool-aid  Rick_K | 09/26/05
Ricky you are a liar  osreinstall | 09/27/05
More F.U.D. From OS Reinstall  Rick_K | 09/26/05
More lying from openFUD inc.  osreinstall | 09/27/05
please provide sources  glocks out | 09/27/05
Don't have to. It's common sense.  osreinstall | 09/27/05
50,000 desktops x $300/desk = $15,000,000  George Jay | 09/25/05
Could cost more than $15M  __howard__ | 09/25/05
The actual number was/is  Rick_K | 09/26/05
I listened to the MA state meeting  Mark Miller | 09/25/05
Interesting read.  __howard__ | 09/25/05
Archiving media is a serious issue  Mark Miller | 09/26/05
Tape has relatively short shelf life  __howard__ | 10/02/05
Slight correction  j.m.galvin | 09/26/05
It looks like it depends on where you look  Mark Miller | 09/26/05
Revised suggestions  Mark Miller | 09/26/05
Something Mass and you could have done long ago  Boot_Agnostic | 09/26/05
Government Required Formats  WhoDaMan | 09/26/05
In 5 years they'll switch  marksashton | 09/26/05
please extrapolate  glocks out | 09/26/05
Ain't a thing wrong with it  Boot_Agnostic | 09/28/05

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