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100% legal way to get mp3's "free"
Subscribe to cable with digital music channels.

Digitize the songs as they play to mp3's.

You can pick up 15 songs an hour this way with no legal exposure.

Why is it I can record these songs to my dvdr recorder or vcr tape to replay or use as I see fit but they are having a cow via other paths?

You can do this with FM radio but they talk over the start and end of half the songs. As far as an MP3 goes, the quality is the same. "Good enough".

Why can I digitize tons of songs off radio and my cable/satellite TV service and use them ethically and legally yet downloading them is not?

RiAA and lots of other people are trying to change to a basis where you pay for every play.

IMHO- they charge to much. I would pay 50 cents plus a penny a year per song to maintain my status if it ment I could for the rest of my life download the song to whatever media I chose to.

I.e. I pay 50 cents for "Love Stinks" The record "Maxo has licensed this music". Then I pay 1 penny each year (minimum of say 3 bucks- maybe a maximum of 40 bucks) to maintain the fact that I have licensed certain songs. I understand they have to pay for electricity, bandwidth, new hard drives and a few employees to store my licensing information each year.

Now- I have a hard drive crash and my burned CD copy of the song "love stinks" is lost.

So I sign on to their site with my music i.d. and I see my catalog of songs I have paid for.
I select "love stinks" and redownload it. I then reburn it to CD. I'm happy- they are happy.

I'm only allowed to download my song a couple times a year to hold down their bandwidth costs and to prevent piracy and to make giving out my ID pointless but if my ID does get out, they can invalidate it and issue me a new one. If it happens to often they can stop doing business with me or invalidate my id for a longer period of time (say the rest of a given year).

It does not stop me from downloading a song and then giving a copy to a friend or offering it up for p2p downloading. But it does give me reasonable value for my money. Some times it can be hard to get certain songs off p2p in a timely fashion and it might be clipped at the start or end or it might be some random song renamed. They offer me a convenient way to get to my music and a reasonable price and make it a life time license with reasonable fees to store my license and I would support them.

Right now it is just all goofy.
I record off the radio- it's legal for me to have it and burn it to CD.
I record it off an internet radio station is it?
I record it off my friend's CD- it is not.
I record it off my sattelite digital music station- legal again.
My friend gives me his CD- now it's legal.
I download a song off p2p that I own- legal.
I download a song off p2p that I don't own- illegal.
I download a song off p2p that I recorded off the radio illegal???? Why? I have a legal copy of it.
I download a song off p2p that I recorded off digital cable music station- illegal???? Why? I have a legal copy of it.

The cost of obtaining the songs via these different methods is WILDLY different.

One thing is True- Every time Riaa sues someone else- I have less interest in purchasing a CD. I just don't want to support that kind of thuggery.
Posted by: maxo_z   Posted on: 01/21/04 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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Note to self  nucrash | 01/21/04
Note to self  FreeBSD | 01/21/04
ahh yes...  ryusen | 01/21/04
I noticed that too...:)  cjules13 | 01/21/04
To diss or not to diss...  X Marks The Spot | 01/21/04
Hmm, careful what you ask for...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/21/04
It wasn't about asking or demanding...  cjules13 | 01/21/04
But What About Those  PottHead | 01/21/04
Shhh..  Patrick Jones | 01/21/04
Quite happy, thank you  tic swayback | 01/21/04
RIAA Police  X Marks The Spot | 01/21/04
I read the RIAA does exactly that  voska | 01/22/04
They do!  AbsolutelyNot | 01/22/04
Re: Hmm, careful what you ask for...  none none | 01/21/04
RIAA is missing the point of the argument  cliath@... | 01/21/04
LMAO!  toadlife | 01/21/04
Too true  tic swayback | 01/21/04
Buying used supports the RIAA  voska | 01/21/04
circular argument  tic swayback | 01/21/04
Not saying take away used CDs here  voska | 01/22/04
When artists will care about their profits (not RIAA)? (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/21/04
RE: LMAO  brian ansorge | 01/21/04
ouch - what a burn  RedHat9User | 01/21/04
532 down, 59,999,468 to go!  tic swayback | 01/21/04
Or: when you downloaded 113,000 songs - beware RIAA (NT)  Vily Clay | 01/21/04
Risk to be caught by RIAA is much higher a car-accident.  Vily Clay | 01/21/04
Wow, and still not inciting me to shop for music  FilledOut | 01/21/04
100% legal way to get mp3's "free"  maxo_z | 01/21/04
Thank you  Bill4 | 01/21/04
Ditto  SublimeDaze | 01/21/04
comments  tic swayback | 01/21/04
Not only that, but  none none | 01/21/04
Because of replacement.  maxo_z | 01/22/04
convinience...  ryusen | 01/22/04
my understanding;  ryusen | 01/22/04
Thuggery, not me it's just too damned confusing  voska | 01/22/04
and with dynamic IP addresses?  jfalknor | 01/21/04
The IP is still in the same range...  cjules13 | 01/21/04
ISPs Retaining Dynamic IP Logs  Scapularius | 01/21/04
They can and do purge logs quickly  voska | 01/22/04
Is the RIAA stalking 12-year olds on the Internet again ???  Plain Logic | 01/21/04
more like tossing a net and see what they get...  buxxmaster | 01/21/04
yes...  nograin | 01/21/04
(NT) I continue my boycott of purchased CD's - as do my friends.  Plain Logic | 01/21/04
um...yeah right  nograin | 01/21/04
indeed  tic swayback | 01/21/04
but...  ryusen | 01/22/04
RIAA has misread alot of consumers minds I think  Icingdeath | 01/21/04
Running scared from new technlology.  Uncoveror | 01/21/04
THE PIRATES HAVE MISSED REALITY !  realitycheck101 | 01/21/04
YEAHRIGHT needs to learn English  tic swayback | 01/21/04
This is not stealing anything  X Marks The Spot | 01/21/04
Is that you, bitty?  NoB$ | 01/21/04
Yup, it's itty bitty!! getting smaller everyday  cybershoplifter | 01/22/04
Whatever...  AbsolutelyNot | 01/21/04
You are narrowing the focus too much  Icingdeath | 01/22/04
I've downloaded hundreds of songs  voska | 01/22/04
Me to voska  cybershoplifter | 01/22/04
even metalica  ryusen | 01/22/04
These guys  ParadigmOdyssey | 01/21/04
?????????????????  Grastar | 01/22/04
There is a free  ParadigmOdyssey | 01/22/04
Actually, it was ALMOST coherent  AbsolutelyNot | 01/22/04
I think paradigm just likes to mess with our heads  buxxmaster | 01/22/04
If you like  ParadigmOdyssey | 01/24/04
millionaire on back of 1 record!!!!  zededd | 01/22/04
*sign.. sue and we keep downloading happy  M_c | 01/22/04
I did a Visualroute trace on the first IP and....  cybershoplifter | 01/22/04
Tracing the IPs and traffic volume  AbsolutelyNot | 01/22/04
good point especially upload volume  buxxmaster | 01/22/04
random inspirational solution  ryusen | 01/22/04
Another good solution  AbsolutelyNot | 01/22/04
Drat these talkbacks!  AbsolutelyNot | 01/22/04
Where the real piracy is!  AbsolutelyNot | 01/23/04
another idea  terracell | 11/13/04

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