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The zealots will be busy today!
Already heard from Anton. No_Ax, chrislovesdana, osreinstall, Loverock (yes, I mentioned you), well maybe there're just not up yet.

There will be this great thumping of chests, see, this won't work because the mystical forces of IT are aligned against Linux. Anybody who has not really experienced a major IT project (and by the way, more than 75% fail) can pontificate to their heart's content.

My last employer had two serious delays in the NT to 2000 migration, for exactly the factors mentioned here - test offline, not in production - and might not have completed the migration yet. Does this also auger for no 2000 deployment?
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Unwanted disruption(?)  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
No  Tim Patterson | 09/06/05
What you mean is  jorwell | 09/06/05
Try again  Tim Patterson | 09/06/05
Maybe they still are  jorwell | 09/06/05
If you were unavailable they would switch back.  osreinstall | 09/06/05
Support for Joe Average  SC-man | 09/06/05
No System Crash-man  osreinstall | 09/06/05
Linux did have its chance.  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
I don't fully agree...  thetargos | 09/06/05
How many people care...  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
No, you are wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
I don't have a problem  skeptic tank | 09/06/05
postponed frequently?  jtsdata@... | 09/10/05
It takes time to unwind the hairball, but they will do it.  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
A one city ecosystem?  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
May well be true  jorwell | 09/06/05
Novell bought SuSE.  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
yes, and...  doh123 | 09/06/05
Dead Wrong  yyuko@... | 09/06/05
Good.  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
14,000 computers in one city is not chicken feed  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
Munich is more an example than a bulwark  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
You guys are barking up the wrong tree!  IT_User | 09/06/05
German implementation  georgep_z | 09/06/05
You are misinformed!  ShadeTree | 09/06/05
You are correct on one thing.  libertyaikido | 09/06/05
IBM (and SuSE) advised on the deal...  Anton Philidor | 09/07/05
I am coming round to the idea  jorwell | 09/07/05
Consider, too:  Anton Philidor | 09/07/05
A one car ecosystem?  jtsdata@... | 09/10/05
A one car ecosystem?  jtsdata@... | 09/10/05
The zealots will be busy today!  Jay Cash | 09/06/05
No religion here, just a careful change over.  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
Yes, you did post.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
One so far  Jay Cash | 09/06/05
No, I'm second, you were the first.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
I only USE Microsoft  Jay Cash | 09/06/05
YAY!  Loverock Davidson | 09/06/05
Locked and Loaded!  osreinstall | 09/06/05
Oh My GOD!  Real World | 09/06/05
My Thinking Exactly  Whyaylooh | 09/06/05
Whoops! My Bad.  Whyaylooh | 09/06/05
This is big news any way you slice it. We are all watching.  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
My thoughts exactly  thetargos | 09/06/05
They'll take their time and do it right. The Windows hairball is a problem  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
Why is it a different story  jorwell | 09/06/05
Yes, Windows is the hairball, and getting worse all the time.  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
But Linux is monolithic too  jorwell | 09/06/05
We are only talking the kernel here, the most basic part.  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
Okay I back off here  jorwell | 09/06/05
Actually there is less in the Windows kernel then ...  ShadeTree | 09/06/05
Less in the Windows kernel that the Linux kernel???  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
Donnie.  LinuxHippie | 09/06/05
Good. Can you tell all of us the differences?  michael_t | 09/06/05
RE: Michael_t  ShadeTree | 09/06/05
Another goofball disclosing the same old kernel FUD  osreinstall | 09/06/05
Nope, monilithic only refers to the kernel, not the complete OS.  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
I love it DonnieBoy!  NonZealot | 09/06/05
RE: I love it DonnieBoy!  nightshade0143 | 09/06/05
Linux = monolithic kernel, MS = monolithic OS.  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
The office suite isn't monolithic?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
Quite true  Michael Kelly | 09/06/05
Well, with Microsoft, the office suite is monolithic.  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
Re: Well, with Microsoft, the office suite is monolithic.  Michael Kelly | 09/06/05
Can you let me know  michael_t | 09/06/05
That's funny  nucrash | 09/06/05
The market decided that modular monolithic is best.  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
Again you speak of that which you do not know  John Zern | 09/06/05
No matter what, do not question Donnieboy and expect an honest reply.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
And, what was your point?? If you have an argument, go for it.  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
Man, 2006 and 2006 working on Linux  Boot_Agnostic | 09/06/05
Its only a hairball to the stuanch windows hater  jimk_z | 09/07/05
Loses jobs for Munich  jorwell | 09/06/05
So you're saying..  Tim Patterson | 09/06/05
Not at all  jorwell | 09/06/05
Extortion is OK  specialk_z | 09/06/05
Where did I say that?  jorwell | 09/06/05
When you exercized your free will that disagreed with theirs.  osreinstall | 09/06/05
Munich's Linux migration slips to 2006  Loverock Davidson | 09/06/05
Troll  zkiwi | 09/06/05
250 machines is too much to handle?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
Meanwhile, in the real world  IT_User | 09/06/05
So...  zkiwi | 09/06/05
It's not the pilot program...  brble | 09/06/05
re: Munich's Linux migration slips to 2006  yyuko@... | 09/06/05
My 2 cents.  redtrain65 | 09/06/05
Snake Oil vs. the Real World  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
Ignorance?  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
Promices of pie in the sky.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
More like tradeoffs  IT_User | 09/06/05
All vendors promise Pie In the Sky  voska | 09/06/05
Absolutely agree  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
No kidding  voska | 09/06/05
So True  John Zern | 09/06/05
Munich govt was willing to pay more...  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
What losses would you have them cut?  IT_User | 09/06/05
No difference between migrating...  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
This is not easy, MS has been building this hairball for a long time.  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
Unfortunately...  nucrash | 09/06/05
Explain what you are talking about!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
They want the documents formated in an open format.  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
Again I ask, are they that stupid?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
why though??  Monkey_MCSE | 09/06/05
Same reason you have to download Acrobat Reader  osreinstall | 09/06/05
Oh you mean like a browser when Office is saved as HTML.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
They are smart, they only want one format.  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
There comes a time when enough is enough  voska | 09/06/05
HTML works for me  osreinstall | 09/06/05
Perhaps they were tired of the upgrade mill.  B.O.F.H. | 09/06/05
Why did they NEED to upgrade?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
why buy a house instead of lease?  maxo_z | 09/06/05
Best reason I've seen  voska | 09/06/05
Perhaps you do not understand the Microsoft business model?  B.O.F.H. | 09/06/05
No answer BOFH? Yeah, I thought so...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
Sorry No_Ax, some of us have lives away from ZDNet talkbacks.  B.O.F.H. | 09/06/05
Nice try at changin gthe subject, but as ALWAYS you have no answer.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
You shoulc choose your words a little better!  B.O.F.H. | 09/06/05
And they will be locked in with Linux.  osreinstall | 09/06/05
A distribution of Linux.  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
Please lay down the crack pipe  nucrash | 09/06/05
As soon as you close the Meth lab!  osreinstall | 09/06/05
Only thing I can say about Microsoft is ...  voska | 09/06/05
You are right mostly. The leadership goes in cycles.  osreinstall | 09/06/05
Get off it Donnie, your beating a dead horse.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
Switching is very hard, costlly. They did it because of MS dirty tricks.  DonnieBoy | 09/06/05
Car Analogy!  osreinstall | 09/06/05
Why does any zealot do something?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
Donnie the all seeing all knowing  John Zern | 09/06/05
Want to know what I find odd?  voska | 09/06/05
Canadians are polite people...  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
Yup  voska | 09/06/05
Kiosks browsing in the fairgrounds?  osreinstall | 09/06/05
Have they completed the conversion?  ShadeTree | 09/08/05
First hand experience Point of View  nucrash | 09/06/05
Never give up hope or the "This is the year of Linux"  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
Release of Vista...  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
Linux will never be big here first  voska | 09/06/05
Don't see Mac next year  nucrash | 09/06/05
Why couldn't Mac on Intel...  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
Distro Level is nothing  nucrash | 09/06/05
Just doesn't look as promising.  nucrash | 09/06/05
Apple has been through this at least once...  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
Don't you find it funny that ...  ShadeTree | 09/06/05
Good move on the part of Munich ...  George Mitchell | 09/06/05
Linux on servers.  Anton Philidor | 09/06/05
Thats Possible  John Zern | 09/06/05
Success lies in ignoring the extremists!  George Mitchell | 09/06/05
Thank you.  Anton Philidor | 09/07/05
Next month they will be singing:  osreinstall | 09/06/05
going for that troll look eh?  Monkey_MCSE | 09/06/05
You bit on!  osreinstall | 09/06/05
simply pointed out  Monkey_MCSE | 09/06/05
It's how you do it.  osreinstall | 09/06/05
i sometimes wonder about people here.  Monkey_MCSE | 09/06/05
RE:Same reason you have to download Acrobat Reader  Monkey_MCSE | 09/06/05
You are manufacturing a problem  osreinstall | 09/06/05
i think we're perceiving each other in the wrong context...  Monkey_MCSE | 09/06/05
Price is not bad if you need it.  osreinstall | 09/06/05
It was May 28, 2003 when the news broke that ...  ShadeTree | 09/06/05
nice assumption, baseless, yet a nice one  Monkey_MCSE | 09/06/05
Is 2 to 3 years the bar they should be measured against.  ShadeTree | 09/06/05
Oh, I don't know, about about longhorn?  nucrash | 09/06/05
Surely you are not trying to compare the ...  ShadeTree | 09/06/05
I don't know about that  nucrash | 09/06/05
It took that long to figure out they needed a *pilot* program.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/06/05
They rebuilt Berlin in less time than this migration.  osreinstall | 09/06/05
When Linux is delayed  John Zern | 09/06/05
Where was Linux delayed"  Richard Flude | 09/06/05
I'm Glad!  tystoy1 | 09/07/05
You should be. There are no performance clauses in the contract.  osreinstall | 09/08/05
Remember that Munich is the customer here ...  George Mitchell | 09/06/05
Don't get me wrong!  ShadeTree | 09/07/05
For those that want information on the migration  Richard Flude | 09/06/05
Not that important in the scheme of things  jorwell | 09/07/05
The beer is so good, it's a wonder anything gets done!  ejhonda | 09/07/05
No problem  jorwell | 09/07/05
Ouch.... Penguin is starting to stagger  john.gruber@... | 09/07/05

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