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Big deal: My current TV supports all the analogy channels but I still need a stinking box to get cable TV. I need box to get Satalite too. No HDTV either, just a normal TV bought a 6 months ago.

Also I know a guy working for the Satalite co, Bell Express Vu. Anyways he figures this whole mandate thing will just add $100 to the price of TV and it won't do a thing because every cable company and satalite service out there has some proprietary set up that requires thier own tunners. I mean I can't take Shaw reciever from one city to the next and I'm still dealing with the same company.

So do you really think 1 tuner in the TV is going to do squat? And what about dual and triple tuners. You can be the set top box with them like that. Allows you to record one channel while watching another.

Now the thing with DRM as has been explained to you before is to view it you get the key. If you have the key you control the DRM. Simple isn't it? Now they don't tell you that you have the key, all part of that seemlessness, but it's there.

So what's this mean? Well it means I can put a copy on the net and if you don't have the key you can't play it unless I give you the key. Not so seemless. Better yet I could create a copy stripped of DRM and post that instead.

DRM works great if I want to send you a confidentail document that only you and I can read. Say lawyer client kind of stuff. A copy sent as an attachment stored in some SMTP cache somewhere would be useless to anyone but the myself and my client. This is true because niether of us would devulge the key.; Posted by: voska Posted on: 09/01/05 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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That and Obesity nucrash | 08/30/05

Still don't get it do you? ShadeTree | 08/30/05

You don't really think bjbrock | 08/30/05

You know I can see a new ENTERTAINMENT underground Laff | 08/30/05

There is already an independent film and music ... ShadeTree | 08/30/05

Yeah but the future you describe MIGHT make that Laff | 08/30/05

So what? ShadeTree | 08/30/05

That's pretty much an illusion Shade. Laff | 08/30/05

Collectability Spoon Jabber | 08/30/05

actually choose to purchase it just-me_z | 09/01/05

NO WAY IceTheNet@... | 08/31/05

So what... Patrick Jones | 08/30/05

DRM is already in your CE devices. ShadeTree | 08/30/05

I don't have an HDTV Patrick Jones | 08/30/05

Chances are the next one you buy will be HD. ShadeTree | 08/30/05

We will see Patrick Jones | 08/30/05

You're confusing a few things Shade tic swayback | 08/30/05

Not necessary Spoon Jabber | 08/30/05

Not confusing anything! ShadeTree | 08/30/05

Yes, you are confused tic swayback | 08/30/05

FCC Requirements Ardian Daka | 08/31/05

Big deal voska | 09/01/05

Its all catch 22 Nigel Johnstone | 08/30/05

Not a catch 22 at all ShadeTree | 08/30/05

So did DVD Nigel Johnstone | 08/30/05

You forget frgough@... | 08/30/05

Just because one format failed is no ... ShadeTree | 08/30/05

Government backing means nothing voska | 09/01/05

You clearly don't get it! ShadeTree | 09/01/05

There was a time when people got along just fine Laff | 09/01/05

Simple solution Jim Spoon Jabber | 09/01/05

Don't get it? Hell, I don't WANT it. gordon@... | 08/30/05

Anyone who would buy an OS bjbrock | 08/30/05

I agree, but... jimothy@... | 09/01/05

You missed the play entirely! ShadeTree | 09/01/05

OK...now for the 64 million dollar question. Laff | 08/30/05

You can keep and use your old system, ... ShadeTree | 08/30/05

Well even "IF" that proves to be true, and I doubt it Laff | 08/30/05

Entertainment Quality mbrierley | 08/31/05

Locking out the majority of customers is a bad business strategy tic swayback | 08/30/05

And who is this village IDIOT? jwschull@... | 08/31/05

Sure it will! Jeff Spicoli | 08/30/05

It is not the same content! ShadeTree | 09/01/05

Won't matter voska | 09/01/05

The whole point of Microsoft's trusted path strategy is ... ShadeTree | 09/01/05

don't think Vista is a good name for this OS....perhaps Tunnel ? Moradin | 08/30/05

Or in other words Otto_Delete | 08/30/05

Exactly!!!! bjbrock | 08/30/05

Yes, it was all in the commercial! Spoon Jabber | 08/30/05

Don't kid yourself. ShadeTree | 09/01/05

Why upgrade ever ? NotRichandFamous | 08/30/05

I disagree Otto_Delete | 08/30/05

Hollywood, Microsoft align on new Windows Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05

Stopping piracy - not even. Taking control bjbrock | 08/30/05

Stopping piracy Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05

It is?! Spoon Jabber | 08/30/05

I agree! James T. Kirk | 08/30/05

How do you figure that? Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05

I'm all for someone like an artist getting paid for Laff | 08/30/05

So who are these leeches your talking about? ShadeTree | 08/30/05

A direct payment to the artist and those who make Laff | 08/30/05

Not quite osreinstall | 08/30/05

Not pirating myself just don't use/listen to/watch their Laff | 08/30/05

Never said you were. osreinstall | 08/30/05

I agree and artists should get paid Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05

Learn about music contracts tic swayback | 08/30/05

The web site is dedicated to anti-label along with alike websites in whois osreinstall | 08/31/05

the band itself gets 15% of the music sales Tommy Gun | 08/30/05

Read it again James T. Kirk | 08/30/05

I disagree Patrick Jones | 08/30/05

Loverock wake for once in your life Can you hear me | 08/30/05

My eyes are open Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05

Bunk frgough@... | 08/30/05

Why? One two words: Greed and Monopoly (NT) hal9000mx | 08/30/05

Re: Hollywood, Microsoft align on new Windows Anti_Zealot | 08/30/05

No I'm not Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05

Actually, you don't produce anything valuable. (NT) hal9000mx | 08/30/05

in 1983... Tommy Gun | 08/30/05

My point exactly! (nt) Anti_Zealot | 08/30/05

What is this price decline you speak of? nucrash | 08/30/05

Funniest post every Loverock! tic swayback | 08/30/05

Control Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05

Obey your masters tic swayback | 08/30/05

Extremes Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05

Rose colored glasses tic swayback | 08/30/05

Perhaps you need to put the glasses on Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05

Stop drinking the kool-aid tic swayback | 08/30/05

Let me explain it again purple punch Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05

Keep on chugging tic swayback | 08/30/05

All your examples are dead wrong! ShadeTree | 09/01/05

9.2 linux_skynyrd | 08/30/05

Our fearless protectors dr praetorius | 08/30/05

Interesting tradeoff... jasonp@... | 08/30/05

Is there more to life than MS and Hollywood? tripolitan | 08/30/05

We The People tystoy1 | 08/30/05

Agree Nullifidian | 08/30/05

You may use my car, IF you keep it SECURE. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Bad Analogy Rick_K | 08/30/05

Perfect Analogy! No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Missing Persons tic swayback | 08/30/05

But they do have tic!!! No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

But consumers are asking for more, not less tic swayback | 08/30/05

Fact of life, you rarely get everything you want. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Sell out and lock out your customers and see how well that works tic swayback | 08/30/05

My opinion doesn't matter at all. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

We know that, but OUR opinion DOES matter Jeff Spicoli | 08/30/05

My opinion certainly matters tic swayback | 08/30/05

CobraA1 | 08/30/05

Your fact maybe voska | 09/01/05

Bwahahahaha!!! Jeff Spicoli | 08/30/05

Message has been deleted. Jeff Spicoli | 08/30/05

Sorry, I Don't Want To Borrow Your Yugo Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

Were you trying is some desperate way to make a point? No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

I understand where you're coming from Michael Kelly | 08/30/05

But I'm not using your car, I'm using MINE. James T. Kirk | 08/30/05

But what if the car is "secure" and **YOU** can't use it?! Jeff Spicoli | 08/30/05

But I own the car not you voska | 09/01/05

And someone walled off part of my house A.Sinic | 09/01/05

Wow. opensourcepro | 08/30/05

Shame on you Microsoft tic swayback | 08/30/05

Pure BS! No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Oh do they? Anti_Zealot | 08/30/05

Sure and here is the proof. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Nice virtual proof Anti_Zealot | 08/30/05

But you can't change the facts in front of you. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Crying about things... Anti_Zealot | 08/30/05

I have a media center PC Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

False proof CobraA1 | 08/30/05

That DVD player isn't used to play DVDs voska | 09/01/05

Consumers Don't Want This Crap Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

Impostor! Anti_Zealot | 08/30/05

all the experts said... Tommy Gun | 08/30/05

The same line of crap tic swayback | 08/30/05

Another clueless poster. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

What are you talking about No Ax? tic swayback | 08/30/05

The simple facts tic. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

When have consumers ever demanded this? tic swayback | 08/30/05

GTee, how many downloads are made with P2P everyday? No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

How much are they willing to pay for those downloads? tic swayback | 08/30/05

so you're saying no_ax's customers are scum of the earth? Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

How many will pay? No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

I'd say you're wrong tic swayback | 08/30/05

How does this help? Patrick Jones | 08/30/05

Go along with what? Michael Kelly | 08/30/05

Working with Microsoft instead of against them. Anton Philidor | 08/30/05

But what other systems DO accept DRM? Michael Kelly | 08/30/05

Attention is to new features... Anton Philidor | 08/30/05

Actually my major beef isn't with MS Michael Kelly | 08/30/05

Yes... No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

What good is it Michael Kelly | 08/30/05

The reason... No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

But it has to be done right tic swayback | 08/30/05

Right for who? No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Right for the consumer tic swayback | 08/30/05

Re: Right for who? Michael Kelly | 08/30/05

Does it matter? tic swayback | 08/30/05

Oh? tslocum7 | 08/30/05

They are all customers. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

And one is clearly easier to milk tic swayback | 08/30/05

I think MS had a choice A.Sinic | 09/01/05

MS Proving It Is Secure Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

Shame on us.... nucrash | 08/30/05

Good News! bmgoodman | 08/30/05

Still not understanding the market. Anton Philidor | 08/30/05

Smart, balanced post Anton tic swayback | 08/30/05

Ummm, I have to disagree in part. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Not a disagreement at all. Anton Philidor | 08/30/05

I agree with you... No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

If I buy it, I own it tic swayback | 08/30/05

Very limited ownership... No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Complete ownership tic swayback | 08/30/05

Re: If I buy it, I own it none none | 08/30/05

Do the benefits outweigh the losses? tic swayback | 08/30/05

Content companies wouldn't mind losing downloads Anton Philidor | 08/30/05

You're probably right tic swayback | 08/30/05

Which is it? Patrick Jones | 08/30/05

Simple, see how many P2P downloads there are. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Call me when they have to pay for it tic swayback | 08/30/05

So then your second statement was the false one? Patrick Jones | 08/30/05

Let me break it into small steps for you. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Successful software offers something better tic swayback | 08/30/05

No need tic... No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

My stereo is over 10 years old tic swayback | 08/30/05

Mine stereo is over 10 years old, too. Patrick Jones | 08/30/05

That's not true anymore Tic voska | 09/01/05

I agree but bka1959 | 08/31/05

Linux Better Get The Video Thing Straight nikoli | 08/30/05

If Linux wants the content companies' products... Anton Philidor | 08/30/05

Think about embedded Linux tic swayback | 08/30/05

Embedded Linux with DRM... Anton Philidor | 08/30/05

Think of it as a second chance tic swayback | 08/30/05

Who says the content companies want... Anton Philidor | 08/30/05

Because they want to make money tic swayback | 08/30/05

I don't think the MPAA or RIAA cares about the 3% No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

I'm talking about something different tic swayback | 08/30/05

Naw, MS is getting he cost of embbed low enough no one cares. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Either way tic swayback | 08/30/05

If the protections work... Anton Philidor | 08/30/05

Sorry tic, the Media Center PC is already a success. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Is it really a success? tic swayback | 08/30/05

How low can Microsoft go? voska | 09/01/05

Why would the stuidos agree to it? No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Care to back up "no security"? CobraA1 | 08/30/05

Reference re Theft of IP Anton Philidor | 08/30/05

Contrary cases tic swayback | 08/30/05

Hardly different Anton Philidor | 08/30/05

Awfully vague tic swayback | 08/30/05

Yes, theft is a metaphor. Anton Philidor | 08/30/05

Metaphor is not the law tic swayback | 08/30/05

The threat of lawyers. Anton Philidor | 08/30/05

Mixed Bag tic swayback | 08/30/05

Metahors are meaingless in law voska | 09/01/05

Typical M$ tslocum7 | 08/30/05

This Won't Stop Pirating At All Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

You need to read up on TPC... No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Oh, so I'll buy a new processor? Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

Nothing lasts forever.... No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

And that will happen how? Patrick Jones | 08/30/05

Lots of ways to do it. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Copy protection Anti_Zealot | 08/31/05

And no one has hacked Halo. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/31/05

Unhackable games Anti_Zealot | 08/31/05

No_Ax, you are just wrong.. Patrick Jones | 08/31/05

I know people who have copied Halo and Halo 2 voska | 09/01/05

It'll be cracked... lawryll@... | 08/30/05

I doubt it... No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Even if the hardware proection works... Anton Philidor | 08/30/05

Yup, Locks Only Keep Honest People Honest nikoli | 08/30/05

Huh? lawryll@... | 08/30/05

Easy Way Around It, Use An Older CPU Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

Not when the encoding checks the CPU. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

uh-huh... lawryll@... | 08/30/05

Gee, do you read anything at all? No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Keep Trying, I Still Have Yet To Be Stopped Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

Please contiue to believe that... No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

It will still fail voska | 09/01/05

yup Jeff Spicoli | 08/30/05

It's not like emulators don't exist woot! | 08/31/05

I have no doubts tic swayback | 08/30/05

And that is what? .00000001 of the users? No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Now you're backpedaling tic swayback | 08/30/05

Tic, are you kidding? He won't admit to anything Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

I want one! Patrick Jones | 08/30/05

Hmmm, let me explain it to you. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

So you were wrong earlier? tic swayback | 08/30/05

Like I said tic, if you wanna build a CPU... No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Intel's microcode worked real well for OSX tic swayback | 08/30/05

Also Tic voska | 09/01/05

Maybe thats what Apple wanted jforjan@... | 09/01/05

Sure... Patrick Jones | 08/30/05

Read the article again... No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Oooh, that will stop them - not. Patrick Jones | 08/30/05

Casual user is the ones to stop first. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

We will see.. Patrick Jones | 08/31/05

Easily defeated... lawryll@... | 08/30/05

We will see... No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Yep, we're crooks bitty Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

Yes indeed you are. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

So if we do our pirating with linux will that shut you up? Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

Take chill pill Mike-Whatever... No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Mind like a crook? lawryll@... | 08/30/05

to beat a crook think like one voska | 09/01/05

Re: Read the article again... none none | 08/30/05

RTFA A.Sinic | 09/01/05

Last Virus jforjan@... | 09/01/05

We'll see about that CobraA1 | 08/30/05

Where there is an output .. there is a way. Been_Done_Before | 09/01/05

Not likely osreinstall | 08/30/05

This Is Gonna Die Faster Than The DAT Tapes Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

Here's a concept...if MPAA/RIA/Microsuck want to own my machine Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

Tehy don't give a dang about your machine, just their content. No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05

Sorry, I was ripping cds and copying DVDs... Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

they don't even care about the content voska | 09/01/05

TOP FIVE REASONS NOT TO RUN LINUX Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

I have a good reason not to run linux osreinstall | 08/30/05

Message has been deleted. Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05

Just another reason to stay clear of Vista(NT) DarthRidiculous | 08/30/05

ROFL! This is going to be great Chad_z | 08/30/05

In not worried... DragonBRockin | 08/30/05

Goodbye Joe User none none | 08/30/05

oh really X41 | 08/30/05

it might give a few people a reason to sue if... Arm A. Geddon | 08/30/05

Let's add more features.... dzash2000 | 08/31/05

What about service packs and updates sdf3@... | 08/31/05

So who wants to raise some VC ... mujadaddy | 08/31/05

longhorn/vista. ie security and pirating ddbpack@... | 08/31/05

Sure doc_cotton | 08/31/05

$5 is all its worth! jobert48@... | 09/01/05

Microsoft Coding vickiecars@... | 09/01/05

Change of Trust jforjan@... | 09/01/05

HA! Naivete In Action mujadaddy | 09/01/05

Simple Solution svasutin | 09/01/05

Let's LIVE robinbare | 10/21/05

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