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OK...now for the 64 million dollar question.
So why get rid of your old system and purchase something like
this?

I mean I have a 1.8 ghz G5 right now and "IF" Apple's future OS's
and hardware include all this blank why buy one when I can keep
using what I have for many years to come?

And yes even though I am an Apple fan and have been for many
a year "IF" Apple goes down this same road why not look into
Linux? I would switch in a heart beat if it came to that.

I don't think Vista is a good name for this OS....perhaps Tunnel
would be better cause it would seem that you are being tunneled
in the direction that they want you to go. Not much of a Vista if
you ask me.

Pagan jim
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That and Obesity  nucrash | 08/30/05
Still don't get it do you?  ShadeTree | 08/30/05
You don't really think  bjbrock | 08/30/05
You know I can see a new ENTERTAINMENT underground  Laff | 08/30/05
There is already an independent film and music ...  ShadeTree | 08/30/05
Yeah but the future you describe MIGHT make that  Laff | 08/30/05
So what?  ShadeTree | 08/30/05
That's pretty much an illusion Shade.  Laff | 08/30/05
Collectability  Spoon Jabber | 08/30/05
actually choose to purchase it  just-me_z | 09/01/05
NO WAY  IceTheNet@... | 08/31/05
So what...  Patrick Jones | 08/30/05
DRM is already in your CE devices.  ShadeTree | 08/30/05
I don't have an HDTV  Patrick Jones | 08/30/05
Chances are the next one you buy will be HD.  ShadeTree | 08/30/05
We will see  Patrick Jones | 08/30/05
You're confusing a few things Shade  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Not necessary  Spoon Jabber | 08/30/05
Not confusing anything!  ShadeTree | 08/30/05
Yes, you are confused  tic swayback | 08/30/05
FCC Requirements  Ardian Daka | 08/31/05
Big deal  voska | 09/01/05
Its all catch 22  Nigel Johnstone | 08/30/05
Not a catch 22 at all  ShadeTree | 08/30/05
So did DVD  Nigel Johnstone | 08/30/05
You forget  frgough@... | 08/30/05
Just because one format failed is no ...  ShadeTree | 08/30/05
Government backing means nothing  voska | 09/01/05
You clearly don't get it!  ShadeTree | 09/01/05
There was a time when people got along just fine  Laff | 09/01/05
Simple solution Jim  Spoon Jabber | 09/01/05
Don't get it? Hell, I don't WANT it.  gordon@... | 08/30/05
Anyone who would buy an OS  bjbrock | 08/30/05
I agree, but...  jimothy@... | 09/01/05
You missed the play entirely!  ShadeTree | 09/01/05
OK...now for the 64 million dollar question.  Laff | 08/30/05
You can keep and use your old system, ...  ShadeTree | 08/30/05
Well even "IF" that proves to be true, and I doubt it  Laff | 08/30/05
Entertainment Quality  mbrierley | 08/31/05
Locking out the majority of customers is a bad business strategy  tic swayback | 08/30/05
And who is this village IDIOT?  jwschull@... | 08/31/05
Sure it will!  Jeff Spicoli | 08/30/05
It is not the same content!  ShadeTree | 09/01/05
Won't matter  voska | 09/01/05
The whole point of Microsoft's trusted path strategy is ...  ShadeTree | 09/01/05
don't think Vista is a good name for this OS....perhaps Tunnel ?  Moradin | 08/30/05
Or in other words  Otto_Delete | 08/30/05
Exactly!!!!  bjbrock | 08/30/05
Yes, it was all in the commercial!  Spoon Jabber | 08/30/05
Don't kid yourself.  ShadeTree | 09/01/05
Why upgrade ever ?  NotRichandFamous | 08/30/05
I disagree  Otto_Delete | 08/30/05
Hollywood, Microsoft align on new Windows  Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05
Stopping piracy - not even. Taking control  bjbrock | 08/30/05
Stopping piracy  Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05
It is?!  Spoon Jabber | 08/30/05
I agree!  James T. Kirk | 08/30/05
How do you figure that?  Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05
I'm all for someone like an artist getting paid for  Laff | 08/30/05
So who are these leeches your talking about?  ShadeTree | 08/30/05
A direct payment to the artist and those who make  Laff | 08/30/05
Not quite  osreinstall | 08/30/05
Not pirating myself just don't use/listen to/watch their  Laff | 08/30/05
Never said you were.  osreinstall | 08/30/05
I agree and artists should get paid  Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05
Learn about music contracts  tic swayback | 08/30/05
The web site is dedicated to anti-label along with alike websites in whois  osreinstall | 08/31/05
the band itself gets 15% of the music sales  Tommy Gun | 08/30/05
Read it again  James T. Kirk | 08/30/05
I disagree  Patrick Jones | 08/30/05
Loverock wake for once in your life  Can you hear me | 08/30/05
My eyes are open  Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05
Bunk  frgough@... | 08/30/05
Why? One two words: Greed and Monopoly (NT)  hal9000mx | 08/30/05
Re: Hollywood, Microsoft align on new Windows  Anti_Zealot | 08/30/05
No I'm not  Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05
Actually, you don't produce anything valuable. (NT)  hal9000mx | 08/30/05
in 1983...  Tommy Gun | 08/30/05
My point exactly! (nt)  Anti_Zealot | 08/30/05
What is this price decline you speak of?  nucrash | 08/30/05
Funniest post every Loverock!  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Control  Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05
Obey your masters  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Extremes  Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05
Rose colored glasses  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Perhaps you need to put the glasses on  Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05
Stop drinking the kool-aid  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Let me explain it again purple punch  Loverock Davidson | 08/30/05
Keep on chugging  tic swayback | 08/30/05
All your examples are dead wrong!  ShadeTree | 09/01/05
9.2  linux_skynyrd | 08/30/05
Our fearless protectors  dr praetorius | 08/30/05
Interesting tradeoff...  jasonp@... | 08/30/05
Is there more to life than MS and Hollywood?  tripolitan | 08/30/05
We The People  tystoy1 | 08/30/05
Agree  Nullifidian | 08/30/05
You may use my car, IF you keep it SECURE.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Bad Analogy  Rick_K | 08/30/05
Perfect Analogy!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Missing Persons  tic swayback | 08/30/05
But they do have tic!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
But consumers are asking for more, not less  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Fact of life, you rarely get everything you want.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Sell out and lock out your customers and see how well that works  tic swayback | 08/30/05
My opinion doesn't matter at all.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
We know that, but OUR opinion DOES matter  Jeff Spicoli | 08/30/05
My opinion certainly matters  tic swayback | 08/30/05
sad  CobraA1 | 08/30/05
Your fact maybe  voska | 09/01/05
Bwahahahaha!!!  Jeff Spicoli | 08/30/05
Message has been deleted.  Jeff Spicoli | 08/30/05
Sorry, I Don't Want To Borrow Your Yugo  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
Were you trying is some desperate way to make a point?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
I understand where you're coming from  Michael Kelly | 08/30/05
But I'm not using your car, I'm using MINE.  James T. Kirk | 08/30/05
But what if the car is "secure" and **YOU** can't use it?!  Jeff Spicoli | 08/30/05
But I own the car not you  voska | 09/01/05
And someone walled off part of my house  A.Sinic | 09/01/05
Wow.  opensourcepro | 08/30/05
Shame on you Microsoft  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Pure BS!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Oh do they?  Anti_Zealot | 08/30/05
Sure and here is the proof.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Nice virtual proof  Anti_Zealot | 08/30/05
But you can't change the facts in front of you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Crying about things...  Anti_Zealot | 08/30/05
I have a media center PC  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
False proof  CobraA1 | 08/30/05
That DVD player isn't used to play DVDs  voska | 09/01/05
Consumers Don't Want This Crap  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
Impostor!  Anti_Zealot | 08/30/05
all the experts said...  Tommy Gun | 08/30/05
The same line of crap  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Another clueless poster.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
What are you talking about No Ax?  tic swayback | 08/30/05
The simple facts tic.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
When have consumers ever demanded this?  tic swayback | 08/30/05
GTee, how many downloads are made with P2P everyday?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
How much are they willing to pay for those downloads?  tic swayback | 08/30/05
so you're saying no_ax's customers are scum of the earth?  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
How many will pay?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
I'd say you're wrong  tic swayback | 08/30/05
How does this help?  Patrick Jones | 08/30/05
Go along with what?  Michael Kelly | 08/30/05
Working with Microsoft instead of against them.  Anton Philidor | 08/30/05
But what other systems DO accept DRM?  Michael Kelly | 08/30/05
Attention is to new features...  Anton Philidor | 08/30/05
Actually my major beef isn't with MS  Michael Kelly | 08/30/05
Yes...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
What good is it  Michael Kelly | 08/30/05
The reason...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
But it has to be done right  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Right for who?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Right for the consumer  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Re: Right for who?  Michael Kelly | 08/30/05
Does it matter?  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Oh?  tslocum7 | 08/30/05
They are all customers.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
And one is clearly easier to milk  tic swayback | 08/30/05
I think MS had a choice  A.Sinic | 09/01/05
MS Proving It Is Secure  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
Shame on us....  nucrash | 08/30/05
Good News!  bmgoodman | 08/30/05
Still not understanding the market.  Anton Philidor | 08/30/05
Smart, balanced post Anton  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Ummm, I have to disagree in part.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Not a disagreement at all.  Anton Philidor | 08/30/05
I agree with you...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
If I buy it, I own it  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Very limited ownership...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Complete ownership  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Re: If I buy it, I own it  none none | 08/30/05
Do the benefits outweigh the losses?  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Content companies wouldn't mind losing downloads  Anton Philidor | 08/30/05
You're probably right  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Which is it?  Patrick Jones | 08/30/05
Simple, see how many P2P downloads there are.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Call me when they have to pay for it  tic swayback | 08/30/05
So then your second statement was the false one?  Patrick Jones | 08/30/05
Let me break it into small steps for you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Successful software offers something better  tic swayback | 08/30/05
No need tic...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
My stereo is over 10 years old  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Mine stereo is over 10 years old, too.  Patrick Jones | 08/30/05
That's not true anymore Tic  voska | 09/01/05
I agree but  bka1959 | 08/31/05
Linux Better Get The Video Thing Straight  nikoli | 08/30/05
If Linux wants the content companies' products...  Anton Philidor | 08/30/05
Think about embedded Linux  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Embedded Linux with DRM...  Anton Philidor | 08/30/05
Think of it as a second chance  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Who says the content companies want...  Anton Philidor | 08/30/05
Because they want to make money  tic swayback | 08/30/05
I don't think the MPAA or RIAA cares about the 3%  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
I'm talking about something different  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Naw, MS is getting he cost of embbed low enough no one cares.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Either way  tic swayback | 08/30/05
If the protections work...  Anton Philidor | 08/30/05
Sorry tic, the Media Center PC is already a success.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Is it really a success?  tic swayback | 08/30/05
How low can Microsoft go?  voska | 09/01/05
Why would the stuidos agree to it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Care to back up "no security"?  CobraA1 | 08/30/05
Reference re Theft of IP  Anton Philidor | 08/30/05
Contrary cases  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Hardly different  Anton Philidor | 08/30/05
Awfully vague  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Yes, theft is a metaphor.  Anton Philidor | 08/30/05
Metaphor is not the law  tic swayback | 08/30/05
The threat of lawyers.  Anton Philidor | 08/30/05
Mixed Bag  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Metahors are meaingless in law  voska | 09/01/05
Typical M$  tslocum7 | 08/30/05
This Won't Stop Pirating At All  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
You need to read up on TPC...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Oh, so I'll buy a new processor?  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
Nothing lasts forever....  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
And that will happen how?  Patrick Jones | 08/30/05
Lots of ways to do it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Copy protection  Anti_Zealot | 08/31/05
And no one has hacked Halo.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/31/05
Unhackable games  Anti_Zealot | 08/31/05
No_Ax, you are just wrong..  Patrick Jones | 08/31/05
I know people who have copied Halo and Halo 2  voska | 09/01/05
It'll be cracked...  lawryll@... | 08/30/05
I doubt it...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Even if the hardware proection works...  Anton Philidor | 08/30/05
Yup, Locks Only Keep Honest People Honest  nikoli | 08/30/05
Huh?  lawryll@... | 08/30/05
Easy Way Around It, Use An Older CPU  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
Not when the encoding checks the CPU.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
uh-huh...  lawryll@... | 08/30/05
Gee, do you read anything at all?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Keep Trying, I Still Have Yet To Be Stopped  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
Please contiue to believe that...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
It will still fail  voska | 09/01/05
yup  Jeff Spicoli | 08/30/05
It's not like emulators don't exist  woot! | 08/31/05
I have no doubts  tic swayback | 08/30/05
And that is what? .00000001 of the users?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Now you're backpedaling  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Tic, are you kidding? He won't admit to anything  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
I want one!  Patrick Jones | 08/30/05
Hmmm, let me explain it to you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
So you were wrong earlier?  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Like I said tic, if you wanna build a CPU...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Intel's microcode worked real well for OSX  tic swayback | 08/30/05
Also Tic  voska | 09/01/05
Maybe thats what Apple wanted  jforjan@... | 09/01/05
Sure...  Patrick Jones | 08/30/05
Read the article again...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Oooh, that will stop them - not.  Patrick Jones | 08/30/05
Casual user is the ones to stop first.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
We will see..  Patrick Jones | 08/31/05
Easily defeated...  lawryll@... | 08/30/05
We will see...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Yep, we're crooks bitty  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
Yes indeed you are.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
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Take chill pill Mike-Whatever...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Mind like a crook?  lawryll@... | 08/30/05
to beat a crook think like one  voska | 09/01/05
Re: Read the article again...  none none | 08/30/05
RTFA  A.Sinic | 09/01/05
Last Virus  jforjan@... | 09/01/05
We'll see about that  CobraA1 | 08/30/05
Where there is an output .. there is a way.  Been_Done_Before | 09/01/05
Not likely  osreinstall | 08/30/05
This Is Gonna Die Faster Than The DAT Tapes  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
Here's a concept...if MPAA/RIA/Microsuck want to own my machine  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
Tehy don't give a dang about your machine, just their content.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Sorry, I was ripping cds and copying DVDs...  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
they don't even care about the content  voska | 09/01/05
TOP FIVE REASONS NOT TO RUN LINUX  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
I have a good reason not to run linux  osreinstall | 08/30/05
Message has been deleted.  Mike_Coxs_Rep | 08/30/05
Just another reason to stay clear of Vista(NT)  DarthRidiculous | 08/30/05
ROFL! This is going to be great  Chad_z | 08/30/05
In not worried...  DragonBRockin | 08/30/05
Goodbye Joe User  none none | 08/30/05
oh really  X41 | 08/30/05
it might give a few people a reason to sue if...  Arm A. Geddon | 08/30/05
Let's add more features....  dzash2000 | 08/31/05
What about service packs and updates  sdf3@... | 08/31/05
So who wants to raise some VC ...  mujadaddy | 08/31/05
longhorn/vista. ie security and pirating  ddbpack@... | 08/31/05
Sure  doc_cotton | 08/31/05
$5 is all its worth!  jobert48@... | 09/01/05
Microsoft Coding  vickiecars@... | 09/01/05
Change of Trust  jforjan@... | 09/01/05
HA! Naivete In Action  mujadaddy | 09/01/05
Simple Solution  svasutin | 09/01/05
Let's LIVE  robinbare | 10/21/05

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