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OK; that covers part of it.
But the files still must be actually written to disk *somewhere* in the process chain. It seems that what they were doing was storing the metadata in a RDBMS including the physical location of the file. Nothing in that appears to make it either impossible or unreasonable to have one or more file systems installed and running simultaneously. Unless it was written as an all-or-nothing sort of project.

Why not make a virtual directory entry just one more field in a metadata record. You could group files into views that would be indistinguishable from physical directories for those users (or applications) that need the hierarchical grouping while allowing the DBMS to retrieve files based on any combination of metadata fields whether or not the directory or path was specified as part off the selection criteria.

Besides, didn't MS scale the specs back from the DBMS (object or relational; it doesn't really matter because they haven't delivered it) to metadata management system on top of NTFS? That sounds like an achievable goal that wouldn't necessarily render the entire previous file/folder paradigm meaningless. Nor would it require you to make the all-or-nothing sort of choice alluded to earlier; the DBMS could be central and contain information on all the volumes it manages or each volume could store its own data in a local partition with a query engine that interrogates all of the volume db partitions as required...

Besides, has MS been bashfull about adding an entire new set of API for a new subsystem? Why couldn't the OS have had two sets of functions (where appropriate) with the same name - one for the NTFS volumes and one for the WinFS volumes? Couldn't the OS select the API from the pair based on the destination of the operation?

F'rinstance, doesn't ReiserFS provide a means of storing and querying basic metadata? Can't I have one part of my file system using ReiserFS and others using ext2, ext3, etc.?

I may not understand this whole topic well enough (and probably don't), but it looks like NTFS could have had a series of changes applied over the years (and versions) with the updated version installed on a voluntary basis by the users *if* MS had wanted to make improvements or additions.

The real problem appears to be that incremental change permits others to keep up while sudden radical change pulls the rug from under their feet. The MS view appears to be that *no* improvement at all is better than *any* improvement that competitors can keep up with.
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he, he, he  dg mh | 08/29/05
We'll see,,,  dprahn | 08/29/05
:\  nucrash | 08/29/05
Bwahahahahhaha!!! Yeah damnit!!!  Jeff Spicoli | 08/29/05
Re: We'll see  Otto_Delete | 08/29/05
Reiser4 will already outperform WinFS (wt)  Anti_Zealot | 08/29/05
Nothing wishful about it..  fmcgowan | 08/29/05
Started deploying it....  Mike Cox | 08/29/05
What a joke.  OldMarine | 08/29/05
Ok thats a 7  DemonX | 08/29/05
Mike Cox's Rep - R.I.P.  itanalyst | 08/29/05
that was beautiful...  wimbo_z | 08/29/05
Solid 8.5!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 08/29/05
Mike I question your judgement here  duclod | 08/29/05
Always fun to read about newbies  gagnon_pascal@... | 08/29/05
Fished in!!!! (NT)  James T. Kirk | 08/30/05
That's it....  theace18 | 08/29/05
8.0  in-DUH-vidual | 08/29/05
Mike - You're a Master of Satire...  IT Makes Sense | 08/30/05
re: Started deploying it....  justmeinok@... | 08/30/05
Now a MCSE for Mike!  gagnon_pascal@... | 08/30/05
WinFS (Real Soon Now)  Techscan | 08/29/05
And It will come with DRM integrated. (NT)  hal9000mx | 08/29/05
Man I sure hope so.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Is it a filesystem?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/29/05
Nope  Yensi717 | 08/29/05
Everything you've said is true, but  fmcgowan | 08/29/05
Because...  Yensi717 | 08/30/05
OK; that covers part of it.  fmcgowan | 08/30/05
Where do you draw the line tic?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/29/05
Not lines, cylinders  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/30/05
Bu tyou didn't answer the question...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Lines . . .  CobraA1 | 08/30/05
So, why not use Google Desktop?  jim_oflaherty | 08/30/05
That is of course a possiblity.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
This one is about API  FADS_z | 08/30/05
How can anyone say what WinFS provides?  fmcgowan | 08/30/05
Anyone still uses 20 year old software?  FADS_z | 08/31/05
Unless you are the MS product manager  fmcgowan | 08/31/05
Foolishness  Anti_Zealot | 08/31/05
Do I need any file system?  FirstNLastN | 08/29/05
I bet by tomorrow there will be a virus for the beta!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 08/29/05
Shooting themselves in the foot...  Yensi717 | 08/29/05
Not really, it may work in their favor.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/29/05
layering on top of the existing junk  Jeff Spicoli | 08/29/05
Well, that is the opinion of a tiny minority  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/29/05
I am curious.  fmcgowan | 08/30/05
An answer for you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/31/05
It was an attempt to answer, anyway. (NT)  fmcgowan | 08/31/05
WinFS - WINdowsFables&Stories  The Rifleman | 08/29/05
sick of lies  Linux Geek | 08/29/05
You lose  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/29/05
No, that's a BETA.  Zogg | 08/30/05
Second loser.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
People are seeing a BETA.  Zogg | 08/30/05
Fact is, someone has indeed seen it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/31/05
Writing code?  mds_z | 08/31/05
Microsoft, R.I.P.  Jeff Spicoli | 08/29/05
Gawd Jeff, get over yourself  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/29/05
Poor Jeff....  Scrat | 08/30/05
Sad isn't it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
I do often wonder...  rapson | 08/30/05
We can only hope...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
The problem is...  rapson | 08/30/05
Wait until Linus T. Dies, you'll see martyrs all day long.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Too bad...  Wolfie2K3 | 08/30/05
No, it won't  CobraA1 | 08/30/05
Searching?  CobraA1 | 08/30/05
Windows Sucks.  directx | 08/30/05
Not as badly as your posting.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Do we really need another file system?  IT Makes Sense | 08/30/05
You must first define "we".  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
WinFS is not a file system but yes, geeks do need this  marksashton | 08/30/05
Perhaps I didn't make my point clearly...  IT Makes Sense | 08/30/05
Becaue the existing systems are not working!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Joe Average should not be exposed to the file system...  IT Makes Sense | 08/30/05
Thank you for agreeing!!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
Uh....  Wolfie2K3 | 08/30/05
Yup, you got it in one.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/30/05
He isn't *really* even now.  fmcgowan | 08/31/05
OK; I hit a wrong key...  fmcgowan | 08/31/05
As usual, clulessness abounds on ZDNET Talkback  marksashton | 08/30/05
cluelessness  pigeonhead52 | 08/30/05
One question  CobraA1 | 08/30/05
Not sure how this will work, maybe .....  hipparchus2000 | 08/31/05
To: Linux Geek, No_Ax_to_Grind, Zog, and mds  The Rifleman | 08/31/05

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