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>"have you even done this process that we're talking about? It's EASY."

Yes, assuming "we're talking about" Micro$oft's new "anti-piracy" measures.

It may be "easy" (for you), but it's time and resource consuming, especially for those who don't have "high-speed" internet connections.

Furthermore, what happens when M$'s buggy software decides that your LEGITIMATE copy is pirated? I've gone through this twice with them in the (thankfully distant) past. In each case, I spent hours on the telephone, finally proved that my copy was LEGITIMATE, and their buggy detection software was at fault, received an apology, and a "free" copy of some obsolete product as "compensation" for my inconvenience.

>"I guess so too, I've never had the problems you have supporting 60 Win2K/Win2003 servers in a datacenter environment."

I'm always suspicious of someone who claims that they have "never experienced problems" that thousands (if not millions) of others have experienced and documented; and which are acknowledged, documented, and (sometimes) eventually fixed by Micro$oft.

If you've never experienced the sort of problems I describe, you are either extraordinarily fortunate, ridiculously naive, or blatantly dishonest.

>"My servers at work and my pc at home all run FLAWLESS"

I'm not familiar with a product by that name.

Perhaps you mean to say "... run flawlessly", in which case I wonder how a product with myriads of documented design and program flaws can run flawlessly on your system?

Or do you design "flawless" to mean there were no major crashes, even if the software did not perform as expected or represented?
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Hmmm  toadlife | 07/25/05
Uh huh...  Wolfie2K3 | 07/26/05
Apparently  toadlife | 07/26/05
Well, Not quite...  mxyzyptylk@... | 07/27/05
What good are the add-ons anyhow?  ~doolittle~ | 07/25/05
DirectX or Direct3D, perhaps?  Zogg | 07/26/05
DirectX, definitely  node357 | 07/26/05
Used to be included with games -  klmmicro | 07/26/05
On the whole DirectX thing . . .  CobraA1 | 07/26/05
I said "optimized for" DirectX/Direct3D  Zogg | 07/27/05
The problem with DirectX  Michael Kelly | 07/26/05
add-ons  dcwester@... | 07/26/05
Good for them..  Patrick Jones | 07/26/05
Some of the 'power toys' are  Real World | 07/26/05
PowerToys  Otto_Delete | 07/26/05
Oh bull  Delmont | 07/26/05
Re: Oh bull  Otto_Delete | 07/26/05
Then get an open license agreement!  Delmont | 07/26/05
Re: Open license  Otto_Delete | 07/26/05
ARE you a thief?  cdgoldin | 07/26/05
HUH?  Delmont | 07/26/05
You'd be surprised...  ju1ce | 07/26/05
Huh? to your huh?  cdgoldin | 07/26/05
Flawlessly  Troll Hunter | 07/27/05
Let MS do whatever they want.....  hal9000mx | 07/26/05
Unlikely  tty0 | 07/26/05
Yeah, sure...  mxyzyptylk@... | 07/27/05
Genuine Advantage ?  BitTwiddler | 07/26/05
Yup no advantage, it's a pain  voska | 07/27/05
Yeah, just ask those companies who...  BitTwiddler | 07/26/05
And when M$ servers go belly up???  thetruth_z | 07/26/05
Clue for ya, if the server is down...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
I love the smell of FUD in the morning.(nt)  IT Scion | 07/26/05
Don't have a problem with this  Chad_z | 07/26/05
Exactly!  TheSickEmpire | 07/26/05
And.....  Delmont | 07/26/05
LEGAL - Nice word  Update victim | 07/26/05
All my MS software was legal  ebrke | 07/27/05
Chad, I agree...sorta...  blahblahblah | 07/26/05
the main problem people have with MS  OliverSeal | 07/26/05
Sorry, Try ethics  Update victim | 07/26/05
Sorry, Try Ethics???  gemartin | 07/27/05
I don't buy it if I can avoid it  Chad_z | 07/26/05
Well you better never use  Delmont | 07/26/05
Uh...  Linux User 147560 | 07/26/05
better what U BOUGHT IT  sadko301@... | 07/27/05
The majority of Windows add-ons  Otto_Delete | 07/26/05
ROTFLMAO (nt)  Update victim | 07/26/05
ROTFLMAO (nt)  gemartin | 07/27/05
MS 3rd party add on's and Spyware  Nullifidian | 07/26/05
Read the EULA - M$ is NOT responsible for any problems (NT)  Update victim | 07/26/05
Truth?  Troll Hunter | 07/27/05
Truth?  fetter | 07/27/05
Easy Way Around This  itanalyst | 07/26/05
How many non-IT users  Real World | 07/26/05
Non-IT users  Otto_Delete | 07/26/05
RE: Non-IT users  sir_cheats_a_lot | 07/27/05
That assumes  Michael Kelly | 07/26/05
It's crap like that ...  I_am_hellion_z | 07/26/05
How myopic are you?  bkmsee | 07/26/05
re: How myopic are you?  sputnik_z | 07/27/05
RE: re: How myopic are you?  sir_cheats_a_lot | 07/27/05
So Sorry...  mxyzyptylk@... | 07/27/05
Excellent strategy!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
Or Perfect DVD Copies Like I Have  itanalyst | 07/26/05
It may convince the casual pirates  Michael Kelly | 07/26/05
Wait for it to move to the next level...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
However..  Patrick Jones | 07/26/05
Depneds if they allow activation.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
True..  Patrick Jones | 07/26/05
WRONG AGAIN  itanalyst | 07/26/05
Not entirely wrong  IT_Ops | 07/26/05
Not when cost you a months wages  voska | 07/27/05
I thought it already DID happen  Michael Kelly | 07/26/05
Genuine Advantage...  ju1ce | 07/26/05
1-800-Waaaaaaaaaaaa  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
Message has been deleted.  itanalyst | 07/26/05
"itanalyst", you have no clue. He is right.  jrbeaman | 07/26/05
No it's thieves like you ....  I_am_hellion_z | 07/26/05
Isn't it shocking....  Delmont | 07/26/05
No...  rapson | 07/26/05
Until it's something of theirs, then it's whining to high heaven.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
IP Can't Be Owned?  PMC-CON | 07/26/05
When will I learn?  rapson | 07/26/05
Tone  Dave F_z | 07/26/05
IP is an OXYMORON  Update victim | 07/26/05
Is it lonely over there all by yourself?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
I wholeheartedly agree  Zolar | 07/26/05
IP is wrong  voska | 07/27/05
IP the Definition  gemartin | 07/27/05
Even more interesting  bystander_z | 07/26/05
A few points  rapson | 07/26/05
Now look...  kneekoo@... | 07/27/05
I won't say piracy is the solution...  kneekoo@... | 07/27/05
you shouldn't have to format your drive....  JoeMama_z | 07/26/05
This is a big deal?  Qbt | 07/26/05
Only to bootleg users.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
BALONEY!  macbill | 07/26/05
You look like a perfect candidate...  vferrara | 07/26/05
Easy? Easy for whom? Not 80% of the users.  jrbeaman | 07/26/05
And of course you are a genuis...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
He's got a point  voska | 07/26/05
I wasn't referring to the "sheeple"  vferrara | 07/26/05
Oh come on!  Delmont | 07/26/05
Piracy is bad. But  bjbrock | 07/26/05
Absolutely  wresnick | 07/26/05
I agree about Windows  ju1ce | 07/26/05
Yep, it's all about greed  Zolar | 07/26/05
By the way...  Zolar | 07/26/05
RE: BTW  sir_cheats_a_lot | 07/27/05
Message has been deleted.  itanalyst | 07/26/05
LOL  tyrannosaur | 07/26/05
huh  Protector | 07/26/05
I'll take a stab at this one  vferrara | 07/26/05
Not really...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
Hi, No_Ax. I'm with that.  Grayson Peddie | 07/26/05
refer to No_axe's other comment  Monkey_MCSE | 07/26/05
Well, okay! Let's talk and make trash.  Grayson Peddie | 07/26/05
my neice whines less than you  Monkey_MCSE | 07/26/05
To Monkey_MSCE:  Grayson Peddie | 07/26/05
RE: To Monkey_MSCE:  Linux User 147560 | 07/26/05
Then this would become a "subscription" only access column  Ken E | 07/26/05
Message has been deleted.  itanalyst | 07/26/05
you came out?  JoeMama_z | 07/26/05
Message has been deleted.  itanalyst | 07/26/05
wah! wah!  ejhonda | 07/26/05
You know...  rapson | 07/26/05
Watch your mouth itanalyst.  Grayson Peddie | 07/26/05
And what are you going to do if he does?  Linux User 147560 | 07/26/05
Lover's?  monolith | 07/26/05
Me?  Loverock Davidson | 07/26/05
I was going to suggest they get a room.  SherryCan | 07/26/05
Piracy-check mandatory for Windows add-ons  Loverock Davidson | 07/26/05
Yes, good comment  Delmont | 07/26/05
A true story about users and software  PMC-CON | 07/26/05
That's just wrong (NT)  Loverock Davidson | 07/26/05
Shareware..  Patrick Jones | 07/26/05
I like windows but.....................  Protector | 07/26/05
LMBO at Microsoft  pipercub1941 | 07/26/05
Solution to Piracy!?  njan | 07/26/05
Microsoft may be power hungry  koelsh | 07/26/05
Huh? Thay already do that.  jrbeaman | 07/26/05
Not really  wresnick | 07/26/05
brainwashed?  jib_z | 07/26/05
You just born yesterday?  jrbeaman | 07/26/05
Solution to Piracy!?  assole | 07/26/05
Like Bill needs to save money!  Linux User 147560 | 07/26/05
This time...  Fleeb | 07/26/05
Fine but make OEM Disks mandatory too!  wolf5370 | 07/26/05
OEM CD's have been reported as "grey-market"  Raymond Danner | 07/26/05
Re: Fine but make OEM Disks mandatory too!  jaghine | 07/26/05
OEM cd  ritalee_98 | 07/26/05
OEM CD - Demands...  wolf5370 | 07/27/05
OEM Disks Mandatory  tycase@... | 07/27/05
I now PITY the Indians and Chinese.  HypnoToad | 07/26/05
Your point being?  markflax | 07/26/05
here here  wolf5370 | 07/26/05
Guilty til proven innocent right?  STDog | 07/26/05
Over priced MicroSoft software  nmaclennan | 07/26/05
So, by your logic...  Confused by religion | 07/26/05
Please, no more car analogies.  Patrick Jones | 07/26/05
True. cant copy a car with 20 cents in materials  JaiMnemonic | 07/27/05
the moral fabric of Microsoft isn't so different  gatherdust | 07/26/05
Re: moral fabric  STDog | 07/26/05
Overstated & One-sided - Too Bad Your Morality Is Not ...  PMC-CON | 07/26/05
Except you copy brand X not stead it  voska | 07/26/05
They can actually lower their prices  Fleeb | 07/26/05
Fleeb == Newb? Fleeb == Dumb??  PMC-CON | 07/26/05
No need to do even that  voska | 07/26/05
Hear, hear...  jaghine | 07/26/05
Pricing  tycase@... | 07/27/05
I don't see this as a problem - for legtimate OS  kjguillemette | 07/26/05
What do they consider legal?  kuau | 07/26/05
Switch to Linux  Kezzerdrix | 07/26/05
That is a brainless/off topic answer.  jrbeaman | 07/26/05
+1 Mepis  gary_edwards | 07/26/05
Lycoris is also nice  Airwolph | 07/26/05
Switching to Linux won't help  Loverock Davidson | 07/26/05
re  Kezzerdrix | 07/26/05
re:  Loverock Davidson | 07/26/05
re:re  Kezzerdrix | 07/28/05
shut FvCk up man  toxicfreak | 07/26/05
Linux and Mac  padib | 07/27/05
Define Free  tycase@... | 07/27/05
RE: Define Free  sir_cheats_a_lot | 07/27/05
re:define Free  Kezzerdrix | 07/28/05
Tried Linux  wconrad@... | 07/27/05
Hang in there  Kezzerdrix | 07/28/05
Down load once, apply many time?  Boot_Agnostic | 07/26/05
Piracy  Peterdiver1@... | 07/26/05
1/3 of all Windows users are crooks???  jrbeaman | 07/26/05
Every crook has an excuse....  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
that's usually the reason  voska | 07/27/05
GREED!  terrym0021 | 07/26/05
That is clear  Trevor_G | 07/26/05
Real world?  gatherdust | 07/26/05
No  uno@... | 07/26/05
Then use something else!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
It never ceases to amaze me  vferrara | 07/26/05
Well, a combination of greed and stupidity.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
Good move  uno@... | 07/26/05
Mom and Pop? Ha ha ha  jrbeaman | 07/26/05
More BS  jag11727 | 07/26/05
"XP out, Linux in" for who? Not the 80%  jrbeaman | 07/26/05
Message has been deleted.  Gonna_Snap | 07/26/05
The 80% - -  Not*A*Clue | 07/26/05
Actually, I was thinking 92%  gary_edwards | 07/26/05
Thanks that was the most informative note I've seen on this log  opatzg@... | 07/26/05
Somehow I Doubt It ...  PMC-CON | 07/26/05
try pclinuxos  toxicfreak | 07/26/05
Disgraceful!!  rkarlberg | 07/26/05
SWITCH?  jrbeaman | 07/26/05
Keep it up mouthpiece ....  I_am_hellion_z | 07/26/05
Ugh...okay  IT Scion | 07/26/05
Then switch and go away.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
XP and further versions need only apply  Airwolph | 07/26/05
Problem is....  ju1ce | 07/26/05
NO FOREIGN COMPUTERS ON MY NET!  Airwolph | 07/26/05
Don't take offence to this...  ju1ce | 07/26/05
So everything Microsoft says is a lie?  Delmont | 07/26/05
I wouldnt go that far  Airwolph | 07/26/05
You know Win2k?  Delmont | 07/26/05
Who's the real thief?  Raymond Danner | 07/26/05
Wow  IT Scion | 07/26/05
Waa....  ju1ce | 07/26/05
No confirmed false positives? Not So!  fatrat | 07/26/05
Straight out lie and you know it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
Where did he say "shut down?"  Patrick Jones | 07/26/05
My mistake  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
We all make mistakes.  Patrick Jones | 07/26/05
Possible, but there are safe guards.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
Ax_to_Grind  WilBen_z | 07/27/05
Simple  voska | 07/27/05
ON PRICING  Airwolph | 07/26/05
Ummm.  IT Scion | 07/26/05
that is assuming they can afford it  Airwolph | 07/26/05
But  IT Scion | 07/26/05
You Are Actually Hopeless But ...  PMC-CON | 07/26/05
I Did mention I was in europe  Airwolph | 07/26/05
Think this through  MSStormTrooper | 07/26/05
Financial concerns only go so far  Airwolph | 07/26/05
MS think this through  WilBen_z | 07/27/05
A couple of improvements could be made  glester_z | 07/26/05
Is MS using bogus numbers ...  rrascal | 07/26/05
What about ghosting software?  Monkey_MCSE | 07/26/05
Not to mention mass rollouts.  Airwolph | 07/26/05
Corporate license is handled differently.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
this is not a corporate license  Monkey_MCSE | 07/26/05
HAs nothing to do with W2K...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
Have to Type in A Key Manually (nt)  PMC-CON | 07/26/05
you go ahead and do that  Monkey_MCSE | 07/26/05
Since you're the monkey, you do the typing  PMC-CON | 07/26/05
apparently you've never done consultancy work  Monkey_MCSE | 07/26/05
Argh, there be no pirating here...  Carrion | 07/26/05
Some obvious points...  zkiwi | 07/26/05
Obvipously you haven't a clue on how it works.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
Reading is still your problem  zkiwi | 07/26/05
How many? ZERO  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
*burp*  zkiwi | 07/26/05
And also...  zkiwi | 07/26/05
toll free number?  sir_cheats_a_lot | 07/27/05
Actually, No_Axe, OEM Machines Are Harder  PMC-CON | 07/26/05
Ummm, so?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
No_Ax is A Bit of a Bore, Yes?  PMC-CON | 07/26/05
You're right - and it gets worse  bkmsee | 07/26/05
Ouch. Those are the rules, but ...  PMC-CON | 07/26/05
I had to pipe in  tycase@... | 07/27/05
Well...  zkiwi | 07/27/05
got an ERROR when i tried to confirm LOL  tenpin | 07/26/05
Windows XP Pro Supplied With Dell Says Invalid  John_LI_IT_Guy | 07/26/05
And you were given instructions to correct it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
You shouldn't have to  DarthRidiculous | 07/26/05
Too bad, everyone does the same.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
What does proof of purchase have to do with it?  DarthRidiculous | 07/26/05
Never had a problem returning things without a receipt  Patrick Jones | 07/27/05
everyone doesn't do the same  voska | 07/27/05
Have to Type in A Key Manually (nt) Seazeus  PMC-CON | 07/26/05
I know 2 people with Dells  ebrke | 07/27/05
overpriced software  smileyface522 | 07/26/05
If Caddilacs were cheaper...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/26/05
Come on No_Ax ......  I_am_hellion_z | 07/26/05
They would still be at the bottom of the maintenance reliability listings!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 07/26/05
If Caddilacs were cheaper I still would buy them  voska | 07/27/05
Really?  IT Scion | 07/26/05
dial-up user problem  Krista Maki | 07/26/05
No_Axe would say get DSL  Airwolph | 07/26/05
I thought you  IT Scion | 07/26/05
Please don't dowload that crap on your Mac!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 07/26/05
I do understand the piracy thing  gibby6923 | 07/26/05
A Great Day for Open Source!  gary_edwards | 07/26/05
So, if we just WANT updates and no upgrades?  EDinNY | 07/26/05
POT - KETTLE  fortran_works | 07/26/05
Right point, wrong details  Airwolph | 07/26/05
Actually  IT Scion | 07/26/05
**BOWS** I did not know that  Airwolph | 07/26/05
Imagine  IT Scion | 07/26/05
Sneer!  An_Axe_to_Grind | 07/26/05
I think Axe's acccount was hacked  Airwolph | 07/26/05
Still having difficulties reading. . .  Marc@... | 07/26/05
Option 3  DarthRidiculous | 07/26/05
Hopefully they'll start making games for linux natively  GreatInca | 07/26/05
There are some games direct to Linux  Airwolph | 07/26/05
Free games or free windows  Boot_Agnostic | 07/26/05
Crap, what next  Boot_Agnostic | 07/26/05
Surely MS could have done better.  Gravitas@... | 07/26/05
Never had a legit copy of windows  bystander_z | 07/26/05
MS Piracy-check  Bad Buoy | 07/26/05
How well this is received will all depend ...  mwagner@... | 07/26/05
This won't help at all  jmvelazquezr@... | 07/26/05
Piracy-check mandatory for Windows add-ons  Ed_Lassota | 07/26/05
There are 4 types of user, not 2  LeeC | 07/26/05
Enough is enough..  purwin@... | 07/26/05
Windows mandatory checks  texasphoneman@... | 07/26/05
I'M STILL ANGRY BUT I MISTYPED!!!!!!!  mtn.brk@... | 07/26/05
Piracy checking.....  ron711 | 07/26/05
I am puzzled..... no windows XP cd  deafyharv | 07/26/05
keyfinder  july22_m | 07/27/05
Realistic  tycase@... | 07/27/05
Another little Rip Off  Aaron A Baker | 07/27/05
Micro Soft  mtitu11@... | 07/26/05
before anything think  toxicfreak | 07/26/05
If Bill really wantsto curb the "piracy problem"  Dodo Egg | 07/27/05
Really  tycase@... | 07/27/05
Linux must be a bigger threat than I thought  george.p.keele@... | 07/27/05
I welcome the repercussions of Linux  tycase@... | 07/27/05
link?  Kezzerdrix | 07/28/05
Invasion ? Maybe, Maybe Not  Aaron A Baker | 07/27/05
"Ohh ... the IRONY!"  Neospazzy | 07/27/05
Piracy Impact  edjcox@... | 07/27/05
Microsoft  carl@... | 07/27/05
Piracy check Mandatory for Windows  chevybat@... | 07/27/05
stealing is stealing...  jeanjaz | 07/27/05
Re: Activation Blues  jack@... | 07/27/05
As usual, with MS, the  James Dean_z | 07/27/05
Will piracy stop!  dennisling@... | 07/27/05
Yeah, right  Englesos | 07/27/05
Mac or Linux?  sir_cheats_a_lot | 07/27/05
Message has been deleted.  Kezzerdrix | 07/28/05
Piracy-check  mountsnow | 07/30/05
Tiger OS  filacb@... | 08/01/05
piracy check  duboisconrad | 08/10/05
Genuine-only updates are already on emule  GreatInca | 02/16/06
RE: Piracy-check mandatory for Windows add-ons  MajorGeek | 04/11/08

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