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so, want an ( idiot ) sysadmin? try webmin.
well, if u have 2 pay for a server setup to a not-so idiot IT pro, then ask him/her to install webmin, afterwards, any idiot can play sysadmin.

'but the M$ battling LAMP thing, well, i find out that ms developing tools are for idiots, but when the vsstudio cra*p translates to web-app, it turns to insert alot of code by itself, M$ says it's secure, but.. if there's a security flaw ( wich happens to occur every time i read the news ) in that particular piece of code, how in the hell will i be aware of that?
a) updating my VS-sh*t and then rebuilding and then redeploying?
b) living in the ilusion that updating my ISS will do it? updating .net framework on server will do it?

i'm not an M$ techie but, since the code was compiled with a aversion that was (in?)secure, patching servers wont do it, -i may be wrong as i say i'm not a m$ enthusiast -, so only option a is a viable choice.

in the other hand , competition always lend to better products, even if M$ doesen't know the exact meaning of that word.
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Free  windozefreak | 06/15/05
True...But...  Cardinal_Bill | 06/15/05
Business 101  bunkie21 | 06/15/05
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He's got a point  el1jones | 06/15/05
i do it myself...  linuxoverwindows | 06/15/05
PS vs. GiMP?  unoriginal_sin | 06/15/05
free = better  linuxoverwindows | 06/16/05
The point and click idiots don't have a clue how to make things work -  DonnieBoy | 06/15/05
Insults are often seen cohabitating with weak arguments  bunkie21 | 06/15/05
thats what this forum is for  linuxoverwindows | 06/16/05
so, want an ( idiot ) sysadmin? try webmin.  ARyKaXaN | 06/15/05
webmin = linux admin for dummies...  linuxoverwindows | 06/15/05
That's why...  Omch'Ar | 06/15/05
Sounds exactly like LAMP  CobraA1 | 06/15/05
4 years' experience?  Twey | 08/24/05
So, the only thing MS can claim is cost of development and maintenance.  DonnieBoy | 06/15/05
Not BS  John Zern | 06/15/05
Windows costs more to administer, just look what ISPs charge for Windows.  DonnieBoy | 06/15/05
LAMP is cheaper (for some)  Richard Flude | 06/15/05
Microsoft continues to drive nails  bjbrock | 06/15/05
LAMP shouldn't run on Windows 2000  nucrash | 06/15/05
Touche.  bjbrock | 06/15/05
Nonsense  NemesisNL | 06/15/05
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runs like clockwork  NemesisNL | 06/15/05
For now.  Immanuel Tranz-Mischen | 06/15/05
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why should a system have to be...  linuxoverwindows | 06/15/05
Why should the system...  Loverock Davidson | 06/15/05
fresh clear memory?  linuxoverwindows | 06/15/05
Maintain *what* system?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/15/05
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Re: In theory, you are correct..  Colonel_Panic | 06/15/05
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Describe shoddy..  widge_z | 06/15/05
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/dev/null  linuxoverwindows | 06/16/05
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See above comment  Loverock Davidson | 06/15/05
subsystem  linuxoverwindows | 06/15/05
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There go's our conversation  Loverock Davidson | 06/15/05
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resolution  Anton Philidor | 06/15/05
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Growth Stocks  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/15/05
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Yes that's right  toadlife | 06/16/05
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Solution  Richard Flude | 06/15/05
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...  toadlife | 06/15/05
whoops - errata  toadlife | 06/15/05
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You missed the point  daver_z | 06/15/05
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linuxoverwindows  toadlife | 06/16/05
Commercially...  Anton Philidor | 06/15/05
More than you!!!!  nucrash | 06/15/05
I didn't ask you  toadlife | 06/15/05
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so they can introduce the new...  linuxoverwindows | 06/16/05
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(nt) Sorry, there is not a big enough supply right now  toadlife | 06/15/05
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correction  toadlife | 06/15/05
You tell'um, boy!  Regman999 | 06/16/05
well said  kelliman | 06/15/05
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This article doesn't make sense...  morgande | 06/15/05
Buy a Mac!  Reverend MacFellow | 06/15/05
Subscription Concept, please read  FoxFord | 06/15/05
do they have amp for mac?  linuxoverwindows | 06/16/05
M$oft is in denial  kelliman | 06/15/05
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History for Anton and Hiroshima  falk-larsen | 06/15/05
History or your assertion?  Anton Philidor | 06/15/05
Did you get LOST in the "Blogosphere"?  pundamentalist | 06/15/05
lamps  falk-larsen | 06/16/05
assertion land  falk-larsen | 06/16/05
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All hail the new name for the...  Colonel_Panic | 06/15/05
TCO?  CobraA1 | 06/15/05
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We use LAMP, and not because its "free"  springerj | 06/15/05
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Well that's ok for MS, LAMP is looking to extinguish MS  Boot_Agnostic | 06/16/05
Gandhi was right  bidemytime | 06/16/05
As soon as it is extinguished, then we pay!  csburris | 06/16/05
why I chose to program in LAMP, not Windows  cfortune | 06/16/05
Here we go again Stuart Smalley wanna-be's  Dantemo0823 | 06/17/05
That's the problem with Microsoft after Big money  sueconcord | 06/17/05
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Better alternative?  jim456 | 06/22/05

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