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"Oops, that's right, there isn't such a thing. True, it's a small issue at the moment, unless you happen to run Linux and want to stay legal of course. But the fact of the matter is that with out a LEGAL license to the technology there will never be a LEGAL open source DVD player."

And this is an issue in the corporate environment how?

In the home environment, sure. It's an issue. DVD players in Linux have NOT been declared illegal, nor do most of them specifically use deCSS, the program being attacked in the courts. But since the legal issues are still murky, all of the distributions currently do not ship a DVD player capable of playing encrypted DVDs, except for LindowsOS, which bought a license to do so.

I'm not sure what your issue with this is. The Linux sellers are acting perfectly responsibly in this matter. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they're erring on the side of caution, because none of the DVD players in Linux capable of playing encrypted DVDs are currently considered illegal. And it's doubtful the patents in question will stand. But even if they somehow do, I fail to see how this will stand in the way of Linux in the office.

"How about access to MS Office documents that have DRM enabled? To my knowledge there is absolutely no way for open source (OpenOffice) to import or use these documents. Note that other for profits can and do license the technology to build their interface with these documents."

This one's easy. The APIs for DRM are open. If you've got a Windows DRM server in your environment, it's trivial to implement a method for authenticating against it in Linux. And you don't need to violate a patent to do it, otherwise developers on Windows wouldn't be able to, either. Number two is shot down, I'm afraid.

But who uses DRM? No one wants it, no one uses it. So gee, if Open Office fails to implement a feature no one wants or uses, where's their loss?

"How about Windows WMA and WMV file formats for multimedia? Or even Apples QuickTime format. Again, many, many for profits license the technology for encoding and streaming, but open source can not."

If you're going to stream a Microsoft format, why would you choose to do so from a non-Microsoft server? And as far as playback is concerned, media players in Linux now support Quicktime, WMV, DivX, xvid, and dozens of other codecs. All without violating any related patents, because in the cases of WMV and Quicktime, freely distributed files from Microsoft and Apple are used for the playback. The media players just hook into them. The files that Microsoft and Apple created are doing the actual work.

The fact is, these days the playback experience on Linux is a heck of a lot better than on Windows. I've got one media player that handles ALL those codecs, no problem. That's number three.

Now, none of this should imply that I feel software patents are a good thing. I think the patent office needs a serious overhaul and needs to stop handing out software patents completely until it's been fixed.
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MS should fight this  Nigel Johnstone | 12/26/03
Change that to "MS should've fought this"  Nigel Johnstone | 12/26/03
your right, this patent is a joke.  RoyTyrellFl | 12/26/03
there's more  stephen732@... | 12/27/03
$60 million is a joke to you?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/27/03
Grow up Bittie...  GRindinAxTaRupy | 12/27/03
It is a joke IF  AbsolutelyNot | 12/30/03
Hey, 60 million is nothing, now they have a license.  DonnieBoy | 12/26/03
this is ms  JWatson77 | 12/26/03
re : ms should fight this  JWatson77 | 12/26/03
nah...MS needs to resolve this fluff and move on  jimk_z | 12/27/03
You believe that rot?  in-DUH-vidual | 12/27/03
What truth is this?  IT_User | 12/27/03
whatever  gcoller | 12/30/03
No...  Martin Marvinski | 12/29/03
MS just invest money in your competition and industry  FilledOut | 12/26/03
Good Job MS  Kamakazii | 12/26/03
excellent spin  tic swayback | 12/29/03
how come  JWatson77 | 12/27/03
nice link to patent  snsh | 12/27/03
Open source is getting squeezed  Anton Philidor | 12/27/03
You are right...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/27/03
You are right...Nope  nite_w0lf | 12/27/03
What does that have to do with MS patents?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/27/03
Can you point to one example?...  GRindinAxTaRupy | 12/27/03
How about a LEGAL open source DVD player?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/28/03
Well?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/28/03
PLenty oF LegaLstuFf  GRindinAxTaRupy | 12/28/03
I'll tackle these.  Damon K | 12/28/03
Bitties blinkered FUD  jellyclock | 12/29/03
Gee, not a single honest answer in the bunch.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/29/03
To Bit above: Not a single honest answer?  Damon K | 12/29/03
Damon K. come on in...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/29/03
The referee appears to be biased.  Anton Philidor | 12/29/03
Didn't realize I was playing doubles.  Anton Philidor | 12/29/03
There are Legal DVD players for Linux  voska | 12/29/03
XP DOES NOT HAVE DVD PLAYER BUILT IN!  voska | 12/29/03
I love this guy  tic swayback | 12/29/03
I had no idea...  Damon K | 12/29/03
Confirmation! Thanks Anton  IT_User | 12/29/03
Required Payments for Office DRM software from Microsoft  Anton Philidor | 12/29/03
Before I go ballistic...  IT_User | 12/29/03
Open Source DVD player at work?  AbsolutelyNot | 12/30/03
To TechDiva above...  Damon K | 12/30/03
You are getting sqeezed!  GRindinAxTaRupy | 12/28/03
Poor little fellow.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/29/03
Token Title  Martin Marvinski | 12/29/03
You missed the point completely.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/29/03
Why not?  Spoon Jabber | 12/29/03
Spoon Jabber... Why Not.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/29/03
Simple question.  Damon K | 12/29/03
Okay, I'll bite  IT_User | 12/27/03
Legal problems from violating patents.  Anton Philidor | 12/27/03
You're right - anything can be patented  IT_User | 12/28/03
And you cite the very problem I see.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/28/03
Submarine patents?  IT_User | 12/28/03
What would you call this patent?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/29/03
Provide more information  IT_User | 12/29/03
Oops, sorry  IT_User | 12/29/03
Three candidate labels  IT_User | 12/30/03
No open source community? No projects?  Anton Philidor | 12/28/03
So why didn't it happen?  IT_User | 12/28/03
Tougher in the big leagues  Anton Philidor | 12/28/03
So business is complacent?  IT_User | 12/28/03
Yes, business is being complacent, for now.  Anton Philidor | 12/29/03
Your vision of the future?  IT_User | 12/29/03
Because it wasn't a competitor.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/29/03
Prudence good, paranoia not  IT_User | 12/29/03
Patents to be ignored?  Anton Philidor | 12/29/03
Got me buffaloed here  IT_User | 12/29/03
Close enough.  Anton Philidor | 12/29/03
Require MS server also?  IT_User | 12/29/03
How do you find vetted software?  IT_User | 12/30/03
I don't understand why  michael-t | 12/27/03
(nt): How much money has m$ paid you so far?  stephen732@... | 12/27/03
I don't understand why!!  nite_w0lf | 12/27/03
Um, accounting isn't your strong suit is it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/27/03
Thank you for my laugh of the day!  AbsolutelyNot | 12/30/03
when windows include lcds  JWatson77 | 12/27/03
(NT) MS again Proves it's etter to STEAL IP and Pay Suits than to Innovate.  Plain Logic | 12/27/03
(NT) (OOPS) Previous post should read "Better" - not "etter".  Plain Logic | 12/27/03
MS just do what Sun, IBM, etc etc do  FilledOut | 12/27/03
This is not a Patent - it's legacy work - reread computer text 202  lbrader | 12/28/03
Good question, why did MS pay? A possible answer.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/28/03
Not a great answer...  Anton Philidor | 12/28/03
Or maybe  nite_w0lf | 12/29/03
or maybe, just maybe  K B | 12/29/03
Why they paid  voska | 12/29/03
Strange Settlement  Emperor_shrub | 12/29/03
The U.S. Patent Laws need to be completely re-written  pinhchen@... | 12/28/03
Amen  Update victim | 12/29/03
Swing patent was meant as a joke  tic swayback | 12/29/03
Joke maybe, but enforceble  AbsolutelyNot | 12/30/03
Important message for No_Ax !!!  NT Admin | 12/29/03
What was 'important' in your post?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/29/03
It was important to make explicit your deliberate lies  jellyclock | 12/29/03
Such a poor atttempt, I expected better.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/29/03
This is a serious issue  NT Admin | 12/29/03
Trust me, lot better men than you have tried.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/29/03
My final comment  NT Admin | 12/29/03
Wonder why...  who_cares | 12/30/03
DOS  Misterecs | 01/01/04

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