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"I didn't expect you to believe me. You are a linux fanboy.
Life must be difficult in the linux world where you show off
your non-impressive white collar heroic knowledge and
90% of the people don't care."

Funny I'm not really out to impress anyone, not looking
good for you however it that was your goal (maybe in the
windows world being wrong it an asset?).

"It was one of them. You claimed earlier that breaking QT
or Real doesn't constitute a full functioning version of XP
client."

And my position was right (X Edition N should not break QT
or RP).

"What did you expect when the EC ordered all of WMP out
of the client including registry settings. Out means out!
Cannot have it both ways."

No they didn't, do you think but keep repeating it someone
might believe you're right? You've failed to produce any
evidence that the EC ordered "all of WMP out", actually the
evidence is the opposite which can be demonstrated by the
upcoming version of XP Edition N APPROVED by the EC. NB
The ruling has never changed!

On the topic of interoperability:

"You claim open source doesn't have access. They do. They
just cannot get it for free and this is what is holding the
whole thing up right now."

Then you provide a link to an [url=http://www.eweek.com/
article2/0,1759,1754344,00.asp]eweek[/url] that says
exactly the opposite to your position and supports mine:

[quote]
"Microsoft has proposed a licensing agreement blatantly
tailored to exclude free software from accessing it," he
said.
[/quote]

It's not about affordability, the terms EXCLUDE IT BEING
USED IN GPL PROJECTS (hello? hello?).

Then to really make yourself look like a real goose you link
to another [url=http://uk.builder.com/manage/business/
0,39026582,39242538,00.htm]article[/url] that says:

[quote]
Microsoft has responded to some of the concerns about its
proposed server interoperability licence, but has not yet
worked out how to stop disadvantaging open source
vendors.

Last month the European Commission (EC) rejected
Microsoft's proposed server interoperability licence, saying
it contained a number of serious flaws including
unjustifiably high royalty fees and the exclusion of open
source vendors.
[/quote]

Did you even read the articles before linking?

"They didn't even start fining MS."

What? A new low - you must know [url=http://
news.com.com/Microsoft+pays+EU+in+full/2100-
1014_3-5255715.html]MS HAS PAID THE FINE
ALREADY[/url] into an escrow account didn't you?

"As for code, I believe Samba will pay something for
interoperability. You will have free Samba and Commercial
Samba. Just like AdAware."

Do you know anything about the GPL? You can't have a free
and commercial version of a co-operatively developed piece
of software unless all of the contributors were to assign
their copyrights over to a new group - and with MS involved
you can be sure this ain't going to happen.

"I showed you that you were wrong. Must not like the link
from MS. They were ordered out. You are in denial."

They weren't ordered out. MS was order to come back with
a solution and they did (with a little help of the EC). The
link supports 100% the original ruling and my position, just
where does it prove that they were told to remove libraries
breaking QT or Real (ie your claim)?

"Remember MS EU pays more in taxes than those non-
profits or Nix service companies combined. They are not
going to punish them hard. You are the delusional one."

Ah showing your true colours, IT ABOUT THE MONEY. MS
should be able to do what it likes because Billy has cash?

Well I hope it isn't the case, and that the EC actually cares
about competition in the EEA. So far I like what I'm seeing.

It's almost dizzying that you can keep introducing more
and more material and yet you keep getting more an more
wrong. Maybe you should start with a clean slate?
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This make MS look like the village idiot.  DonnieBoy | 05/11/05
And your point is?  BXLE | 05/11/05
And your point is?  stormdoor | 05/11/05
And your point is?  FilledOut | 05/12/05
Microsoft is shooting themeselves in the foot. Do you have an argument??  DonnieBoy | 05/11/05
Dude, you think everything makes MS look like the village idiot (NT)  Loverock Davidson | 05/11/05
Dude, you don't have an argument. Tell why it's smart to flaunt the ruling  DonnieBoy | 05/11/05
Instead  Loverock Davidson | 05/11/05
The real village idiot is....  stormdoor | 05/11/05
Did you think of that all by yourself?  Loverock Davidson | 05/11/05
Darn, I need to try harder..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/11/05
And you think all what M$ does is alright.  thetargos | 05/11/05
And, he hasn't posted an opinion on this yet.  DonnieBoy | 05/11/05
Probably because  Loverock Davidson | 05/11/05
Your use  Loverock Davidson | 05/11/05
and your opinion means....  stormdoor | 05/11/05
Just like yours (NT)  Loverock Davidson | 05/11/05
The problem, the EU keeps chaning the "ruling".  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/11/05
Get the facts, Don  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/11/05
Sorry but you are wrong...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/11/05
Yes, it did  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/11/05
Great strategy, tell the Europeans they are stupid. You are brilliant.  DonnieBoy | 05/11/05
If the shoe fits...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/11/05
So what is the point of your jiberish. You seem to hate Europeans.  DonnieBoy | 05/11/05
and you seem  eLurker | 05/12/05
Well, my opinions of our President aside, MS needs to work with the EU  DonnieBoy | 05/12/05
Wrong again  Richard Flude | 05/11/05
A no win situation for MS  osreinstall | 05/12/05
They NEVER said to delete the "Library"  Pyvent | 05/12/05
EC didn't want MS to remove the executable only  osreinstall | 05/12/05
Exactly  Richard Flude | 05/12/05
Wrong Ricky  osreinstall | 05/12/05
Show me!  Richard Flude | 05/13/05
You still ain't right  osreinstall | 05/13/05
right adj.  Richard Flude | 05/13/05
Your counter argument is disingenuous  osreinstall | 05/13/05
So you have nothing?  Richard Flude | 05/13/05
You still want to argue or manipulate  osreinstall | 05/13/05
right adj.  Richard Flude | 05/14/05
This is getting embarrassing!  Richard Flude | 05/14/05
Ok Embarassed  osreinstall | 05/14/05
Speaking of sad  Richard Flude | 05/15/05
Flude is in denial  osreinstall | 05/15/05
Classic  Richard Flude | 05/16/05
You are really delusional  osreinstall | 05/16/05
And another win - pow!  Richard Flude | 05/16/05
You are a waste of time  osreinstall | 05/16/05
Call your bluff  Richard Flude | 05/17/05
You can believe in what you want  osreinstall | 05/17/05
Actually, it should  rapson | 05/12/05
Two parts  Richard Flude | 05/12/05
Advice to MS  Prognosticator | 05/11/05
Short sighted  Henaway | 05/11/05
Excellent advice... I agree..  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/11/05
Personal Jurisdiction  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/11/05
Jolly Roger  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/11/05
What's really going on here. (My Theory)  shmeep | 05/11/05
Yes, it is very true there is anti-US sentiment in Europe right now.  DonnieBoy | 05/11/05
Which ruling should the abide by?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/11/05
Examples, Don?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/11/05
Common sense kid...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/11/05
In other words  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/11/05
Ok you wanna play word games, fine.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/11/05
Common sense would tell one ...  George Mitchell | 05/11/05
Hey I tell ya what...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/11/05
re: Examples, Don?  Iain_Peters | 05/11/05
Haven't seen a link from you either  osreinstall | 05/11/05
What word?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/11/05
Be serious Yagotta  osreinstall | 05/11/05
Man, you are brilliant, you should work for Microsoft.  DonnieBoy | 05/11/05
It's not the EU...  Anton Philidor | 05/12/05
More than Microsoft, they are trying to rape Boeing too.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/11/05
It would be nice if you attacked the message  mlindl | 05/12/05
Racist?  rapson | 05/12/05
Rape Boeing? How and where did you hear this?  Pyvent | 05/12/05
go to google  eLurker | 05/12/05
sorry  eLurker | 05/12/05
Wrong - it's the money  mlindl | 05/12/05
the parties that started this were mostly American companies.  B.O.F.H. | 05/12/05
You might add that Real...  Anton Philidor | 05/12/05
Add Apple too...  PhilippeV | 05/13/05
This is getting interesting ...  George Mitchell | 05/11/05
If you have any good information...  Anton Philidor | 05/12/05
Microsoft  miler528@... | 05/11/05
I hope they charge back pay..!  Xunil_Sierutuf | 05/11/05
I hope they triple the cost to EU consumers...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/11/05
Yes, And Then The Government Goes To Linux  itanalyst | 05/11/05
Oh Suuure Thing  osreinstall | 05/11/05
start naming some crucial drivers and software without equivalent for Linux  hipparchus2000 | 05/11/05
Your wrong on a lot of stuff  osreinstall | 05/11/05
2 things you ned to update, sorta  Monkey_MCSE | 05/11/05
So Wrong on so many accounts  Ed_Myer | 05/11/05
OK you 2  osreinstall | 05/11/05
Missing the point  Ed_Myer | 05/11/05
You must be looking at a different site  osreinstall | 05/12/05
oh really  hipparchus2000 | 05/12/05
Looking at the right site  Ed_Myer | 05/12/05
Linux timing is awful.  osreinstall | 05/12/05
Me too!  michael-t | 05/11/05
Just how much do you hate Microsoft?  B.O.F.H. | 05/11/05
who knows  Monkey_MCSE | 05/11/05
Yes, a large portion of Microsoft revenues...  Anton Philidor | 05/12/05
No_Ax_to_Grind ...  Pyvent | 05/12/05
youre new here, right? (nt)  eLurker | 05/12/05
Fine, schmine  Yagotta B. Kidding | 05/11/05
RE: Fine, schmine  Iain_Peters | 05/11/05
Right right ....  michael-t | 05/11/05
Pull the plug  KRF | 05/11/05
That's a  michael-t | 05/11/05
Sure. Apple would love the sales  ITGuy04 | 05/11/05
Just to confirm your position  Richard Flude | 05/11/05
European  mgombos@... | 05/13/05
wingeing microsoft apologists  hipparchus2000 | 05/11/05
Thought the BeOs settlement was "only" $23.3 million...  Anton Philidor | 05/12/05
maybe I got the $500m wrong, but yes, inappropriate behaviour  hipparchus2000 | 05/16/05
Battle of the socialist behemoths [NT]  Omch'Ar | 05/11/05
lol  CobraA1 | 05/12/05
Hey come on!  Pyvent | 05/12/05
Oh EU  FilledOut | 05/12/05
What does the EC want?  Anton Philidor | 05/12/05
There it is  rapson | 05/12/05
All in all ok, but what about the deadline for the US to convert to Metric  FilledOut | 05/12/05
NASA has converted I think  hipparchus2000 | 05/16/05
heres a shocker  eLurker | 05/12/05
Microsoft Monopoly  pinpintalk@... | 05/16/05

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